Old Paths Podcast

Michael Spangler and Cody Justice
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Dec 12, 2025 • 1h 38min

Reformed Presbyterian Persecution: Interview with Samuel Ketcham

SummaryIn this episode of the Old Paths podcast, hosts Michael Spangler and Cody Justice engage with Samuel Ketchum, a minister in the RPCNA, discussing his journey to ministry, the challenges he has faced, particularly regarding race and theology, and the charges brought against him by his presbytery. Ketchum shares his insights on the importance of biblical preaching, the current state of the church, and the implications of his trial set for January 24th. The conversation notes some of the concrete charges brought against Ketcham, emphasizes the need for accountability and truth in ministry, as well as the complexities surrounding race in the church today.TakeawaysSamuel Ketchum shares his background and journey to ministry.He discusses the challenges he faced in his early ministry experiences.Ketchum highlights the importance of preaching and its current challenges in the church.The conversation delves into the intersection of race and theology in Ketchum's writings.Ketchum explains the charges brought against him by the RPCNA.He reflects on the implications of these charges for his ministry and the church.The discussion emphasizes the need for biblical fidelity in preaching.Ketchum expresses his desire for a more honest conversation about race in the church.The trial date is set for January 24th, and Ketchum prepares to defend his views.The conversation concludes with a call for accountability in ministry.Chapters00:00 Introduction and Background of Samuel Ketcham04:03 Journey to Ministry and Early Experiences09:14 Challenges in Ordination and Preaching Philosophy14:53 The Role of Preaching in the Church Today19:52 Transitioning Between Denominations and Racial Awareness25:08 The Impact of Race on Faith and Community30:06 Current Trial and Charges in the RPCNA35:46 Understanding the Charges of Sin43:31 The Role of Scripture in Church Authority51:40 Critique of Judicial Processes in the Church57:01 Historical Context of Abolitionism and Its Implications01:03:23 The Importance of Biblical Foundation in Charges01:07:43 The Role of Historical Context in Modern Debates01:10:00 Vows and Commitments in Religious Institutions01:12:41 Personal Experiences and Reactions to Controversy01:14:41 The Intersection of Race and Theology01:18:57 Egalitarianism and Its Challenges01:20:20 Public Perception and Accountability in Ministry01:22:01 The Nature of Presbyterian Judicial Processes01:24:53 The Importance of Honest Discourse in Theology01:33:07 Next Steps in the Journey of Faith and AccountabilitySupport the work of Old Paths Podcast by donating here to American Mantle.
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Dec 11, 2025 • 1h 5min

Marrow 15: The Person of Christ

SummaryIn this episode of the Old Paths podcast, Michael Spangler and Cody Justice continue in The Marrow of Theology by William Ames. They delve into the theological concepts surrounding the person of Christ as the mediator and the implications of redemption, discussing William Ames' teachings on restoration, the dual nature of Christ, and the significance of his blood in the context of redemption. The conversation also touches on contemporary controversies regarding Christ's nature and the importance of understanding these doctrines for a robust faith, with an emphasis on the need for careful theological reflection and the application of these truths in the lives of believers.TakeawaysRedemption is both accomplished and applied.Christ's work is central to understanding salvation.The mediator stands between God and man.The hypostatic union is a mystery of faith.Redemption emphasizes our ownership by Christ.Christ's blood signifies the high price of redemption.Understanding Christ's dual nature is essential.The communication of properties is a complex issue.Christ's knowledge reflects his dual nature.Our response to Christ's sacrifice should be obedience.Chapters00:00 Introduction and Updates on American Mantle03:09 Transition to Restoration and Redemption11:33 Understanding Redemption and the Redeemer18:52 The Mediator: Christ's Role in Redemption29:01 The Hypostatic Union and Its Implications35:53 Controversies in Christology and Sacramental Theology38:19 Understanding the Sacramental Language41:56 Covenant Theology and Christ's Presence45:36 The Schism Between Lutheran and Reformed Views47:40 The Nature of Christ's Knowledge54:10 Theological Reflections on Christ's Dual Nature01:00:38 Application of Christ's Teachings in Our Lives
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Oct 30, 2025 • 2h 2min

Response to Presbycast On Kinism

SummaryIn this episode of the Old Paths Podcast, Michael and Cody respond to a Presbycast episode that critiques kinism and discusses racial egalitarianism within the church. They explore various themes including the nature of church statements on race, the implications of division within the church, and the historical context of racial issues. The conversation delves into theological perspectives on race, the role of nations, and the importance of natural principles in church governance. Throughout the discussion, they emphasize the need for a nuanced understanding of race and identity in the context of Christianity, while critiquing the arguments presented by their opponents.HighlightsDivision in the church is often oversimplified and misattributed.Racial egalitarianism is not universally accepted within the church.The distinction between conversion and naturalization is crucial.Historical context is essential in understanding racial issues.Patriarchy and gender roles are biblically defined and should not be dismissed.Misinterpretations of scripture can lead to false accusations of heresy.Racial identity is significant in the context of the gospel.Political implications of race discussions cannot be ignored.Natural principles should inform church governance and leadership.Cultural heritage and racial identity are important aspects of faith.Chapters00:00 Introduction to the Discussion on Kinism03:42 Critique of Racial Egalitarianism in the Church06:36 Understanding Division and Heresy09:39 The Nature of Church and Nation12:30 Examining Exceptions in Biblical Contexts15:29 The Role of Race in Scripture19:48 Misinterpretations of Racial Identity23:41 The Unity of Humanity and Race26:41 Political Implications of Racial Discussions30:32 The Nature of Race and Morality34:36 Christ's Racial Identity and Its Significance38:26 Divine Boundaries and Racial Divisions42:41 Theological Implications of Kinism46:55 Critique of Modern Church Practices50:40 Hospitality and Immigration in the Church55:12 Jesus and Racial Affection58:53 Conclusion and Final Thoughts59:13 Contempt for Misuse of Scripture01:04:00 Racial Issues and the Gospel01:06:08 Debating Kinism and Ethno-nationalism01:08:58 Equivocation on Racial Identity01:14:18 Responses to Racial Arguments01:19:42 Historical Context of Racial Discussions01:25:52 The Role of Race in Church Leadership01:31:56 Truth and the Future of Racial Discussions01:40:05 Southern Identity and Historical Context01:47:21 Gratitude for Racial Heritage01:52:48 Final Thoughts on Race and ChurchKeywordsKinism, Presbycast, racial egalitarianism, church division, racial theological implications, racial identity, church governance, natural principles, cultural heritage, church unity
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Oct 29, 2025 • 47min

Jude: Grace, Judgment, & Spiritual Sodomy

In this episode of the Old Paths Podcast, Cody and Michael delve into the Epistle of Jude, exploring themes of grace, judgment, and the concept of spiritual sodomy. They discuss the purpose of Jude's letter, the importance of contending for the faith, and the nature of grace as both unmerited favor and enabling power. The conversation highlights biblical examples of judgment, including the Israelites, fallen angels, and the infamous Sodom and Gomorrah, drawing parallels to contemporary Christian living. The hosts emphasize the dangers of idleness and the need for vigilance against sin, urging listeners to actively contend for their faith and flee from influences that undermine their spiritual integrity.Highlights:The main purpose of Jude's letter is to contend for the faith.Turning grace into license to sin is a serious issue.Spiritual sodomy is akin to a fruitless Christian life.Grace is not just unmerited favor; it is enabling power.Biblical examples serve as warnings against ungodliness.Idleness and ease can lead to spiritual decay.Christians must actively fight against sin.Fellowship with those who make light of sin is dangerous.The consequences of sin can be severe and eternal.Contending for the faith requires effort and vigilance.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Jude's Epistle02:24 Contending for the Faith05:37 Understanding Spiritual Sodomy11:08 The Nature of Grace15:02 Examples of Judgment: Israelites and Angels19:29 Sodom and Gomorrah: A Case Study24:26 The Consequences of Idleness27:25 Applications and Warnings34:47 Final Thoughts and Encouragement
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Oct 29, 2025 • 1h 32min

American Mantle Review Oct. 2025

In this episode of the Old Paths Podcast, Michael and Cody discuss various articles published by American Mantle, focusing on themes of political violence, the role of the church, and the necessity of moral integrity within Christian nationalism. They explore the implications of recent events, the challenges facing the right, and the historical context of the Canaanite extermination as a warning for modern nations. The conversation emphasizes the need for repentance and spiritual revival in America, alongside a call for clear leadership and action in the face of political and social challenges.Highlights:We need a new American revolution.Diversity is not a nation's strength; authoritarian rule often follows.The right must learn from past mistakes to avoid repeating them.Political violence may be necessary in today's climate.The church may become a source of persecution for true believers.Involvement in traditional party politics may not yield results.Christian nationalism must embrace moral integrity to succeed.The Canaanite extermination serves as a warning for modern nations.Repentance and spiritual revival are essential for national healing.Political activism can be a form of faith and repentance.Chapters:00:00 Introduction and Overview of American Mantle02:27 Updates from Sacra Press04:29 Recent Articles and Their Themes08:49 Discussion on 'Churning Point USA'27:15 The State of Party Politics34:41 Schlieman's Series on Christian Nationalism47:19 Embracing Ethnonationalism53:02 The Jewish Question and Palestine01:01:03 The Need for Clear Leadership01:04:28 Preparing for Future Tests01:11:19 Understanding God's Judgment on Nations01:21:07 Faith, Repentance, and Political Action
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Sep 26, 2025 • 1h 18min

The Murder of Iryna Zarutska

In this episode of the Old Paths Podcast, hosts Cody Justice and Michael Spangler discuss the tragic murder of Iryna Zarutska, exploring the racial dynamics and societal implications surrounding the incident. They delve into theological reflections on murder, the importance of wisdom in addressing racial issues, and the role of language in racial discourse. The conversation emphasizes the need for collective identity among Whites, practical steps for protection, and the moral responsibility towards minorities. They also critique Liberalism's failure to create a harmonious society and call for a revolution to address these pressing issues, while highlighting the spiritual dimensions of justice and repentance.Key Highlights:The murder of Iryna Zarutska highlights racial violence in society.Theological perspectives on murder emphasize the sanctity of life.Racial dynamics complicate perceptions of violence and justice.Wisdom is crucial in addressing racial issues and protecting communities.Language and rhetoric play significant roles in racial discourse.Collective identity is necessary for effective response to racial threats.Understanding the nature of racial conflict is essential for safety.Statistics reveal disparities in crime rates among racial groups.Statistics are not necessary to love and defend your own.Civil rights advocacy must include the rights of Whites.Practical steps are needed for White men to protect their families.Martyrdom may be necessary for revolutionary change in society.White fathers have a duty to educate and protect their families.The church must address racial issues and promote justice.Moral responsibility towards minorities must be balanced with self-preservation.Liberalism has failed to create a harmonious society.Finding like-minded allies is crucial for collective action.Spiritual reflection is necessary for true justice and repentance.Give a monthly amount to support the work of Michael & Cody at American Mantle here.Read / listen to Cody's article on the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the murder of Iryna here.
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Sep 16, 2025 • 1h 8min

Marrow 14: Propagation of Sin

Michael & Cody continue to work through The Marrow of Theology by William Ames, with special focus upon the propagation of sin + a discussion on creationism vs. traducianism.Support Michael & Cody through American Mantle ⁠here⁠.
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Sep 16, 2025 • 1h 27min

Positive Christianity in the Third Reich

Michael & Cody discuss the book Positive Christianity in the Third Reich: Including the 28 Theses of the German Christians and Miscellaneous Documents of Cajus Fabricius, recently published by Sacra Press.Use code: OLDPATHS at checkout for a discount and buy the book at Sacra Press here.Support Michael & Cody through American Mantle here.
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Aug 23, 2025 • 1h 14min

Shane Anderson: Punch Right, Slide Left

Michael & Cody are joined by Shane Anderson to discuss the "punch right, slide left" dynamic that prevails today, whether in the church, society, politics, or the public square.Enjoy the episode?Leave us a review and share the podcast with your friends.Want to support us?Donate at americanmantle.org/donate.
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Aug 4, 2025 • 1h 22min

The Evil of Slander

Michael & Cody take up the topic of slander and its evil, defining and distinguishing it, giving concrete examples from Scripture and the present day, noting the effects, and recommending several remedies.Want to support Michael & Cody?Donate at American Mantle.

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