
Unexpected Elements
The news you know, the science you don’t. Unexpected Elements looks beyond everyday narratives to discover a goldmine of scientific stories and connections from around the globe. From Afronauts, to why we argue, to a deep dive on animal lifespans: see the world in a new way.
Latest episodes

Jun 27, 2025 • 49min
A roarsome episode
This week, Enigmacursor mollyborthwickae has been unveiled at London's Natural History Museum. This newly described herbivorous dinosaur has inspired us to take a stomp through the science of ancient animals, mass extinctions and fossils.First up, we hear about a shepherd who recently found a South African dinosaur, which has helped shed light on the period between the Triassic and Jurassic. We then take a look at some new theories that suggest the mass extinctions that wiped out ancient creatures may not have been as massive as we thought. But one extinction definitely is currently underway, according to ecologist Professor Dave Goulson. And that’s the mass extinction of insects. Plus, we find out the latest theory of why the Tyrannosaurus rex had such tiny arms, and we meet the rat ancestors that munched on dinosaurs. All that, plus many more Unexpected Elements.
Presenter: Marnie Chesterton, with Candice Bailey and Camilla Mota
Producer: Margaret Sessa Hawkins, with Alice Lipscombe-Southwell and Minnie Harrop

Jun 20, 2025 • 49min
Some really cool science
This week, the Florida Panthers beat the Edmonton Oilers at ice hockey’s Stanley Cup championship, which sent us skating into ice-related science.First up, we hear about an ancient ice skate that’s been unearthed in Prerov, Czech Republic, which sends us pondering about the physics of ice-skating. We then discover why licking a flagpole on a chilly day is a bad idea, before delving into the science of cryopreservation. Next up, we speak to Dr Mark Drinkwater of the European Space Agency, who reveals how satellites can help us monitor and better understand our planet’s melting ice sheets. Plus, what do you do if you want to play ice hockey but you live near the equator? All that, plus many more Unexpected Elements.
Presenter: Marnie Chesterton, with Chhavi Sachdev and Sandy Ong
Producer: Alice Lipscombe-Southwell, with Margaret Sessa Hawkins and Minnie Harrop

Jun 13, 2025 • 50min
Defuse and diffuse
World War II bombs were defused in Cologne, Germany, which has inspired us to explore the science of diffusion and defusing!First, we hear how new, artificially intelligent video generators are modelled on diffusion. We also hear about the health impacts of home aroma diffusers and candles. We’re joined by conflict-mediator Gabrielle Rifkind of the Oxford Process, to discuss the psychological stakes behind defusing conflict in wars and at home.We also taste-test the difference between raw and cooked broccoli, learn about in-insect synthesis, and explore an anechoic chamber. All that, plus many more Unexpected Elements.
Presenter: Caroline Steel, with Tristan Ahtone and Edd Gent
Producer: Imaan Moin, with Alice Lipscombe-Southwell, Minnie Harrop and Debbie Kilbride

Jun 6, 2025 • 49min
Gaming-inspired science
This week, get ready for a whole loot box of gaming-related stories!First up, we find out about a video game that could give people the power to battle misinformation. We also hear how scientists are putting harbour seals in front of a computer monitor to decipher how they navigate under the water. And Dr Brett Kagan from Cortical Labs joins us down the line to tell us why he taught a clump of brain cells to play the 1970s arcade game Pong. Along the way, we discover what happens when artificial intelligence tries to explain idioms, we learn about a tiny frog named after Bilbo Baggins and try to establish whether or not video games benefit your brain. All that, plus many more Unexpected Elements.
Presenter: Marnie Chesterton, with Kai Kupferschmidt and Leonie Joubert
Producer: Alice Lipscombe-Southwell, with Margaret Sessa Hawkins, Imaan Moin and Minnie Harrop

May 30, 2025 • 52min
Mission unexpectedly possible
With the new Mission Impossible film playing in cinemas, the Unexpected Elements team is channelling Tom Cruise’s energy to see if scientists can push the boundaries of what is considered ‘impossible.’ First up, we fuse medieval alchemy with particle physics and explore a method to turn lead into gold. We then look at the latest research that uses artificial intelligence to help us humans communicate with animals. We put the spotlight on a favourite trope of science-fiction films – time travel! String theorist Brian Greene of Columbia University explains how going to the past, or back to the future, may or may not be hypothetically possible. We also ponder ancient auroras, whether ants can plan a Hollywood-style heist, and what it takes to understand our consciousness.
Presenter: Marnie Chesterton, with Affelia Wibisono and Andrada Fiscutean
Producer: Imaan Moin, with Alice Lipscombe-Southwell
Studio engineer: Mike Mallen

May 23, 2025 • 51min
Story time
Kathryn Kenney, a book and paper conservator at the Folger Shakespeare Library, dives into the fascinating world of preserving centuries-old texts. She explains the intricacies of maintaining Shakespeare's rare folios and shares eco-friendly conservation methods, like using bats to control pests. The discussion also touches on why our brains crave stories, the unique experience of those with aphantasia who can't visualize narratives, and the impact of storytelling on empathy. Plus, they explore the whimsical concept of phantom islands and the role of fiction in addressing climate change.

May 16, 2025 • 50min
Enduring it all
Meghann Christian, a European Space Agency astronaut with a year at Antarctica's Concordia Station under her belt, discusses endurance on the final frontier. She delves into the genetic influences on endurance performance and shares insights from extreme environments like the Antarctic. The conversation explores the effects of air pollution on runners, humorous tales of resilience, and the fascinating connection between human endurance and animal adaptations, all while revealing the mental and physical tenacity required to conquer such challenges.

May 9, 2025 • 49min
Ant antics
Mariella Superina, a leading conservationist from the IUCN, and Ryan Garrett, an expert ant wrangler, dive deep into the fascinating world of ants and their intricate societies. They discuss the surprising case of ant smuggling in Kenya and the ecological importance of various ant species. The conversation takes a quirky turn with insights into how ants have even made their way into space! Mariella shares the unique adaptations of anteaters and the unexpected dangers of plant smuggling, revealing a captivating connection between these remarkable creatures.

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May 2, 2025 • 50min
In memoriam
Carl Öhman, a researcher at Uppsala University and author of 'The Afterlife of Data,' shares enlightening insights on what happens to our digital legacies after we die. He discusses the emotional connections tied to our data and the urgent need for conversations about digital remains with loved ones. The podcast also explores ancient funerary rituals, the communal nature of grief, and the surprising world of life in graveyards. Prepare to rethink how we remember and celebrate our connections, both in life and in the digital afterlife.

Apr 25, 2025 • 50min
Kenya believe it?
This week the Unexpected Elements team left our windowless BBC studio and paid a visit to the CGIAR conference in Nairobi, Kenya. In this episode, we find out about the Kenyan invention that’s pulling clean, safe water from thin air, before discovering what makes Kenyan coffee taste so great. Next, we hear about the problems with burning charcoal and the ways in which briquettes could offer a cleaner, more sustainable solution. Plus, we’re joined by Joyce Maru, the regional director for Africa at the International Potato Centre. She reveals the science behind the orange-flesh sweet potato and explains how it could improve livelihoods and boost health across Africa. We then hear about the story of the two Kenyan inventors who have created a Swahili-speaking robot. Finally, our panellists go against the clock in our Kenyan Science Showdown.
All that, plus many more Unexpected Elements.
Presenter: Alex Lathbridge, with Christine Yohannes and Phillys Mwatee
Producers: Alice Lipscombe-Southwell, with Sophie Ormiston and Harrison Lewis
Studio engineers: Andrew Garratt and Gayl Gordon