

The Missions Podcast
Alex Kocman and Scott Dunford
The Missions Podcast answers hard questions about theology, missions, and practice to help goers think and thinkers go. We are conservative, evangelical, and gospel-centered.
The Missions Podcast is powered by ABWE International, a missions agency with a force of about 1,000 workers serving across 70 countries with a focus on evangelism, discipleship, and church planting.
The Missions Podcast is powered by ABWE International, a missions agency with a force of about 1,000 workers serving across 70 countries with a focus on evangelism, discipleship, and church planting.
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Dec 22, 2025 • 29min
Holiday Special! Our Favorite Episodes from 2025
Come celebrate another year of The Missions Podcast!
In this special end-of-the-year episode, Alex and Scott recall their favorite discussions from 2025 and important takeaways from each. They also discuss how they are using this holiday season to celebrate the incarnation of Christ.
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Dec 15, 2025 • 29min
Church Planting From Bangladesh to NYC With Prodip Das
What's the spiritual climate like in Bangladesh?
In this week's episode, Scott interviews Pastor Prodip Das, a Bengali church planter in New York City with ABWE's EveryEthne ministry. Together, they discuss the unique nature and conflict of Christianity and Islam within Bangladesh.
Prodip tells his personal testimony and what it is like growing up in a Christian family in the country. Prodip also talks about his ministry within New York City and discipling Muslim-background believers.
Key Topics
The history of ABWE ministry in Bangladesh
Prodip's personal testimony of growing up a Christian in Bangladesh
The nature of persecution of Muslim-background believers in Bangladesh
Prodip's church planting ministry in New York City
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Dec 8, 2025 • 30min
The Reality of Missions in Japan With Bill Petite
Why is Japan the graveyard of missionaries?
In this episode, Alex talks with veteran ABWE missionary Bill Petite, who reflects on 35 years of ministry in Japan. Bill gives an honest look at the spiritual, cultural, and emotional realities of serving in one of the world’s least-reached nations.
Bill Petite also speaks candidly about the emotional and spiritual toll of long-term missions, sharing seasons of deep depression, discouragement, and even suicidal thoughts—contrasted with stories of God’s surprising providence.
Key Topics
The paradox of Japan’s high morality and deep spiritual lostness
Cultural barriers to understanding sin and truth
Challenges of contextualization and discipleship in Japanese culture
Japan as a “graveyard of missionaries” and the emotional cost of ministry
Japan’s critical need for pastors, church planters, and long-term missionaries
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Dec 1, 2025 • 32min
The Transcultural Gospel With E.D. Burns
How does the gospel transcend cultural understandings like guilt/innocence, honor/shame?
In this episode, Alex is joined by longtime friend of the show, Dr. E.D. Burns, a missionary, author, and ABWE’s Executive Director for Training & Development. E.D. argues that many modern missionary methods fall into error by beginning with culture rather than Scripture. When missionaries adapt the message to perceived cultural needs: fear of spirits, desire for honor, community belonging, they risk redefining the gospel according to those felt needs instead of the Bible's central categories of sin, wrath, substitutionary atonement, and the imputed righteousness of Christ.
Dr. Burns illustrates how hyper-contextualized approaches can subtly blend works and faith, especially in cultures comfortable with karmic or performance-based religion. True gospel communication, he argues, must highlight penal substitution, justification by faith alone, and the supernatural transformation of the heart.
Key Topics
The danger of culture-first vs. Bible-first missionary methods
How methodology reveals underlying theology on the mission field
The insufficiency of presenting the gospel only through honor/shame or fear/power lenses
The centrality of penal substitutionary atonement and imputed righteousness
The perennial battle to preserve faith alone in cultures predisposed to works-based religion
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Nov 24, 2025 • 29min
Behind the Numbers: What’s Really Happening in Global Missions With Ted Esler
In this episode of The Missions Podcast, Alex Kocman and ABWE President, Paul Davis, interview Ted Esler, president of Missio Nexus, on the global state of Christian missions. Esler explains that although the global church is experiencing slow and steady growth, many evangelical churches lack a strong understanding of lostness which has contributed to a decline in missionary sending and passion. Cultural pressures, including accusations of colonialism and a general decrease in missions literacy, have also shaped a generation of believers who are less aware of the biblical and historical urgency of reaching the nations.
Ted emphasizes that missions is woven throughout the entire biblical narrative—from Genesis to Revelation—and that God’s heart for diverse peoples should dismantle misconceptions of missions as cultural imperialism.
Key Topics Covered
The need for a renewed understanding of lostness in evangelical churches
How cultural narratives about colonialism affect missions engagement
The redemptive arc of Scripture as essential for missions literacy
A biblical theology of the nations and God’s purpose for cultural diversity
The importance of knowing the current global state of missions
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Nov 17, 2025 • 30min
Islam’s War on Christians in Nigeria With Larry Alex Taunton
What's happening with persecuted Christians in Nigeria?
In this episode of the Missions Podcast, Alex and Scott talk with Larry Alex Taunton, an author and apologist, who shares his firsthand experience witnessing Christian persecution in Nigeria. Taunton recounts his journey to the country’s northern region, where he saw the devastating effects of what he calls a “genocide against Christians.” He describes traveling through burned villages, military checkpoints, and communities living in constant fear of attacks by Boko Haram and Fulani militants.
Through personal experience, Taunton highlights the courage of Nigerian Christians who remain steadfast in their faith despite extreme danger. His central message is that the Western church has largely ignored this persecution, and that believers in safer nations must recognize their responsibility to speak out and advocate for action. Alex and Scott end with a call to combine compassion, truth, and courage—to both confront injustice and advance the mission of Christ.
Key Topics:
Larry Taunton’s firsthand experience in northern Nigeria and exposure to Christian persecution.
The role of Boko Haram and Fulani herdsmen in anti-Christian violence.
The silence and suppression of the issue by Western media and international organizations.
The moral and spiritual responsibility of the Western church to respond.
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Nov 10, 2025 • 32min
Is Persecution a Good Thing?
Is it true that the "blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church"?
In this episode, Alex and Scott challenge the popular belief that persecution is inherently good for the church. Drawing from Ronald Boyd-MacMillan’s article Does Persecution Always Bring Growth?, they argue that while persecution can refine believers, history shows it often destroys the local church entirely. They distinguish between short, intense persecution that may spark renewal and long-term systemic persecution that weakens or eliminates the church altogether.
Alex and Scott discuss that Christians should not romanticize suffering and realize that persecution is a valuable tool that Satan uses against God's people. They stress the importance of religious freedom, both for evangelism and human dignity, urging Christians to defend it globally, and ultimately, they conclude that while God can bring good from persecution, it should never be desired or celebrated.
Key Topics
Misconceptions about persecution as beneficial for church growth
Historical examples where persecution led to church extinction (e.g., Uyghur, Arabic, and Mongol eras)
Distinction between short-term vs. long-term persecution effects
The role of religious freedom in advancing the gospel
Biblical and historical perspectives on persecution and faithfulness
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Nov 3, 2025 • 29min
Need to Know Data on Church Missions Engagement With Matthew Ellison and Denny Spitters
Does your pastor adequately prioritize missions at your church?
In this episode of The Missions Podcast, Alex interviews Matthew Ellison and Denny Spitters from 1615 Missions Coaching about their new book, The Sending Shepherd: Leading Churches to Disciple All Nations. Drawing from a Barna study, the conversation centers on the vital role of church leadership in global missions. They argue that effective mobilization starts with senior pastors embracing a “sending shepherd” mindset—reintegrating God’s global purpose into preaching, discipleship, and church culture rather than treating missions as an optional program.
They encourage pastors to see missions not as one ministry among many, but as the core narrative of Scripture shaping every believer’s role in God’s redemptive story. The discussion closes with success stories of integrating missions into the church, practical encouragement for pastors, and a reminder that mobilizing for the Great Commission is both essential for the world and for the church’s spiritual health.
Key Topics
Findings from the Barna “U.S. Pastors and Missions Survey”
The problem of “when everything is missions, nothing is missions”
Leadership’s critical role in shaping global vision (Antioch model from Acts 13)
The difference between marginalizing missions and integrating it into the church’s DNA
Importance of defining and distinguishing evangelism, outreach, and missions
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Oct 26, 2025 • 29min
Collab: Nicene Creed and the Transcultural Gospel with Dr. Don Fairbairn and Cedar Crest Church
How does the Nicene Creed unite believers from East and West?
This episode of The Missions Podcast—in collaboration with Cedar Crest Bible Fellowship Church’s Captivate & Conform podcast—features Dr. Don Fairbairn, a theologian and former missionary to Soviet Georgia. The conversation explores the intersection of missions, theology, and church history, particularly how the Nicene Creed and patristic theology offer transcultural insight for modern missiology. Dr. Fairbairn shares his journey from seminary to the mission field and how his time in Eastern Europe reshaped his academic focus on Eastern Orthodoxy and early church thought.
He emphasizes that the early church’s theology was already multilingual and multicultural, forged by African and Asian theologians rather than Europeans—a reminder that Christianity’s foundations are inherently global. Fairbairn advocates for retrieving the transcultural truths of the Nicene Creed and a deeper understanding of the relational nature of salvation.
Key Topics:
The transcultural and multilingual origins of the Nicene Creed
Differences between Eastern Orthodox and Western (Protestant) theology
The concept of divine acceptance vs. human striving for God
How patristic theology informs modern missiology
The importance of understanding the Trinity in global missions
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Oct 19, 2025 • 29min
Your ‘World View’ Is Wrong: The Challenge and Blessing of Missionary Mapmaking
How does a visual representation of the world affect your overall world view?
Alexand Scottdiscuss the spiritual and practical significance of maps in missionary work, exploring how maps not only display geography but also influence how Christians perceive the world’s spiritual landscape. They trace the history of missionary mapping from figures like David Livingstone and William Carey, reflecting on how visual tools like the 10/40 Window have historically mobilized believers toward unreached regions.
Alex and Scott emphasize that maps do more than expand awareness—they refine our worldview, highlighting both the vast need for the gospel and the ongoing progress of Christianity globally. They also stress the importance of using maps not only globally but locally—to visualize one’s own city, region, and immediate mission field and argue for a balanced view that celebrates where the gospel has flourished while still acknowledging areas of spiritual darkness.
Key Topics:
The theological and historical role of maps in missions
The concept and influence of the 10/40 Window
How map design shapes worldview and missional focus
The balance between global vision and local mission engagement
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