Under the Tree: A Seminar on Freedom with Bill Ayers
Under the Tree with Bill Ayers
“Under the Tree” is a new podcast that focuses on freedom—a complex, layered, dynamic, and often contradictory idea—and takes you on a journey each week to fundamentally reimagine how we can bring freedom and liberation to life in relation to schools and schooling, equality and justice, and learning to live together in peace.
Our podcast opens a crawl-space, a fugitive field and firmament where we can both explore our wildest freedom dreams, and organize for a liberating insurgency. "Under the Tree" is a seminar, and it runs the gamut from current events to the arts, from history lessons to scientific inquiries, and from essential readings to frequent guest speakers.
We’re in the midst of the largest social uprising in US history—and what better time to dive headfirst into the wreckage, figuring out as we go how to support the rebellion, name it, and work together to realize its most radical possibilities—and to reach its farthest horizons?
Our podcast opens a crawl-space, a fugitive field and firmament where we can both explore our wildest freedom dreams, and organize for a liberating insurgency. "Under the Tree" is a seminar, and it runs the gamut from current events to the arts, from history lessons to scientific inquiries, and from essential readings to frequent guest speakers.
We’re in the midst of the largest social uprising in US history—and what better time to dive headfirst into the wreckage, figuring out as we go how to support the rebellion, name it, and work together to realize its most radical possibilities—and to reach its farthest horizons?
Episodes
Mentioned books

Jul 24, 2024 • 1h 3min
Organizing Your Own: The White Fight for Black Power with Say Burgin
The centuries-old struggle for Black Freedom is filled with victories and defeats, tragedy and triumph, forward motion and backlash. Today we sit down with historian and engaged scholar Say Burgin to uncover some of the myths that pass as history, focusing particularly on the historic turn toward Black Power and the resulting strategy of “racially parallel organizing” with white comrades. Say Burgin’s illuminating book is urgent and relevant for anti-racist organizers and activists today.

Jul 11, 2024 • 1h 28min
Ella Baker & The Black Freedom Movement with Barbara Ransby and Asha Ransby-Sporn
The dynamic and engaging Socialism 2024 conference will meet in Chicago from August 30 through September 2, shortly after the sure-to-be chaotic Democratic National Convention, bringing together thousands of socialists, activists, abolitionists, and organizers from across the country and around the world to name this political moment, build community, and gather strength for the struggles ahead. We hope you will join us. In anticipation of the coming gathering we’re looking back to the spirited Socialism 2023 conference, and highlighting an inspiring and relevant intergenerational conversation between legendary scholar-activist Barbara Ransby and the peace and justice organizer/activist Asha Ransby Sporn.

Jun 26, 2024 • 58min
Road Trip! This is My Life I’m Talking About with Danny Lyon
Join me for a classic American road trip with the legendary photographer, photo-journalist, writer, and film-maker Danny Lyon. Danny left the University of Chicago in the 1960s and headed South to join the great Civil Rights Movement, where he became the official photographer of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee. We will visit the Black Freedom Movement together, but we will also revisit his groundbreaking documentary photographs of prison life in Texas, the gripping story of a friend of his who was also one of America’s Ten Most Wanted fugitives, and his involvement with the Chicago Outlaws Motorcycle Club, which he documented in The Bikeriders (1968), a collection of black and white photographs with accompanying interviews that was released the year before the classic “Easy Rider.” That work of photojournalism is the inspiration for Jeff Nichols’ contemporary film of the same name. His memoir, This is My Life I’m Talking About, was just released. Danny Lyon’s website is bleakbeauty.com where you can read his blog, and view his films for free on Vimeo.

Jun 12, 2024 • 52min
Tea and Reparations with Aaron Hughes and Amber Ginsburg
Patriotism can never express a common human aspiration nor a universal moral code—if everyone on earth claimed to be a fierce and focused patriot today, 20 % of the world’s people would be Chinese patriots, and only 4.4 % patriotic Americans. Patriotism promises a steady anchor, but it is, in reality, entirely unstable. We note that every human being is indigenous to planet Earth, and that there is, therefore, no such thing as a foreigner. We might work, then, to replace national patriotism with human solidarity—sin fronteras—in the spirit of Chicago’s poet laureate Gwendolyn Brooks: “We are each other’s harvest: / we are each other’s / business: / we are each other’s / magnitude and bond.”We’re excited to be joined in discussion with two influential Chicago artist/activists Aaron Hughes and Amber Ginsburg, authors and co-editors of two extraordinary books, Remaking the Exceptional which highlights the connections between policing in Chicago and human rights violations abroad, and Invitation to Tea which compiles 48 tea recipes, stories, and traditions, one for each of the countries that have had citizens held at the US military prison in Guantánamo. Amber and Aaron will be at our home base, Pilsen Community Books, at 7:00 pm on June 26, which is International Day in Support of Torture Survivors, and we hope you’ll come out that night and build community with us.

May 29, 2024 • 1h 3min
The Real Dragon with Stanley Howard
This centennial episode of Under the Tree features an enlightening conversation with Stanley Howard, the legendary jailhouse lawyer and founder of the Death Row 10, a group of African American men on Illinois' death row who organized a powerful campaign from their prison cells to save their lives and to spark a new abolitionist movement decades ago. The Death Row Ten and their mothers linked up with courageous activists, intrepid lawyers, relentless journalists, and a growing wave of social protest against police violence to demand justice in their cases, and an end to the barbaric practice of capital punishment. Stanley Howard is an organizer/activist, a fighter, and the author of Tortured by Blue: The Chicago Police Torture Story.

May 15, 2024 • 59min
Breathe, Now Push with Jennifer Dohrn
Every aspect of life in our society is lived on the hard-edge of racial hierarchy and class division—and the American way of birth is no exception. Black maternal mortality is 69.9 per 100,000 live births, nearly 3 times the rate of white women—and that’s only part of the story. We’re delighted to be meeting up at Pilsen Community Books with my magnificent sister-in-law, Jennifer Dohrn—a legendary midwife in New York, and a professor and Assistant Dean of the Office of Global Initiatives at Columbia University School of Nursing—for a discussion focused on her new book Mothers, Midwives and Reimagining Birthing in the Bronx. Jennifer initiated the first freestanding maternity center in an inner-city in the US, and she has been extensively involved in women’s health issues both here and internationally, notably in Sub-Saharan Africa and the Global South. Her book is an oral history of her ground-breaking center, as well as a deep dive into the racialized nature of maternal health care and a rousing cry for change.

May 1, 2024 • 1h 5min
American Precariat with Zeke Caligiuri
Precarious times, phenomenal times. As protests for peace and freedom explode across the country and around the world, we’re searching for and finding democracy in the streets and in the campus encampments, in prison study groups and collectives of artists and writers. We’re honored tonight to be meeting up at our beloved Pilsen Community Books with Zeke Caligiuri, co-editor with a unique collective of incarcerated writers, for a discussion of their dazzling collection, American Precariat: Parables of Exclusion. While the class of people whose lives lack stability and security, and are increasingly dominated by uncertainty about our jobs and our incomes, our housing and our safety—about our futures—grows steadily and exponentially, it’s particularly illuminating to explore this political moment with the unseen and the unheard, the excluded and the marginalized, those deemed by power the leastwise of the land.

Apr 17, 2024 • 59min
Again, Winter with Mark Nowak
You may already know that 15 US governors recently rejected federal funds available for families who qualify for free school lunches that would provide $120 per child per month through the summer. If you forgot, I get it—your cruelty/stupidity quotient may have reached capacity, and your brain simply couldn’t accommodate one more item. We’re joined in conversation with Mark Nowak, an innovative and influential political poet, author of Social Poetics and Coal Mountain Elementary. His latest book, Again, takes its title from the last word in MAGA, and works its way through the four seasons, naming this political moment and urgently asking us to consider what the known demands of us now.

Apr 3, 2024 • 55min
Rattling the Cages with Eric King and Josh Davidson
Prison and police abolitionists, rebels and radicals, peace activists and environmental warriors, freedom fighters and dissidents, political prisoners of every type—the voices of dissent and defiance—are gathered together in a dazzling collection from AK Press called Rattling the Cages: Oral Histories of North American Political Prisoners. Join us as we discuss the meaning of “political prisoners” with Eric King and Josh Davidson, and explore the challenges ahead for those of us fighting for a world without prisons.

Mar 21, 2024 • 58min
Anatomy of a Jerusalem Tragedy with Nathan Thrall
As the savagery in Gaza continues unabated, we’re deeply honored to be joined from Jerusalem by the brilliant writer Nathan Thrall for a conversation about his latest book, A Day in the Life of Abed Salama: Anatomy of a Jerusalem Tragedy. Here in one family facing one heartbreaking moment, we experience Israeli apartheid up-close and personal—its everyday humiliations and its banal cruelty, its dehumanizing impact on victims and perpetrators alike.


