

Emerge: Making Sense of What's Next
Daniel Thorson
A podcast based inquiry into the next phase of the human experiment.
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Mar 6, 2020 • 1h 12min
Robert Kegan - The Five Stages of Adult Development (And Why You Probably Aren't Stage 5)
Psychologist Robert Kegan discusses the stages of adult development. He clarifies misconceptions about his model and explores the variety of developmental logics in the human mind. Kegan emphasizes the importance of transitioning to the self-authoring mind and reflects on the impact of political beliefs on societal interactions.

Mar 1, 2020 • 1h 1min
Mark Feenstra - The Inner Dimension of the Meta-Crisis
In this episode, I'm speaking with Mark Feenstra. Mark is co-founding a consulting and training ecosystem and incubator, called New Mainstream, which focuses on large scale change that starts with ourselves and the possibility of a new mainstream. Mark is also in the process of founding a land-based community to ground the possibility of actualizing a new mainstream, initially in Golden Bay, New Zealand.
Over the last year or so I’ve been lucky enough to have a number of conversations with Mark. He, as much as anyone I’ve encountered, really lives the sort of inquiry that I’ve been attempting to embody on this show. Every time I speak with Mark I feel like I’m falling into some wormhole of understanding and coherence. Mark has an amazing ability to bring these topics down to earth without sacrificing the ambiguity and playfulness that is the lifeblood of beautiful conversation.
We talk about:
Shifting from a Game A to Game B mental operating system
The fractal nature of the meta-crisis and how it lives within each of us
What integrity really means (and whether a crisis of integrity at the heart of the meta-crisis)
Whether the split between individual transformation and systems transformation is an artifact of Game A consciousness
Why attempting to fix or heal the crisis is a red herring Integrity as an emergent property of coming into relationship with wholeness
How noticing the lack of integrity is a proximal cause of integrity
The relationship between integrity and omni-win decision making
And the beautiful impossibility of true omni-win decision making
Monastic Academy Awakened Leadership Bootcamp

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Nov 25, 2019 • 1h 51min
Rob Burbea - Emptiness, Postmodernism, and Sacred Participation
Meditation teacher Rob Burbea discusses emptiness as a path beyond postmodern nihilism, emphasizing participatory perception and the limitations of cognitive deconstruction. He explores hidden commitments, the middle way between existence and non-existence, and the necessity of practice to realize deeper dimensions of emptiness.

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Nov 18, 2019 • 1h 28min
Jamie Bristow - Mindfulness as Metamodern Psychotechnology
Jamie Bristow, Director of The Mindfulness Initiative, advocates for mindfulness as a transformative cultural technology in public policy. He tackles critiques like 'McMindfulness' and discusses our current position in the mindfulness hype cycle. Jamie emphasizes mindfulness as a tool to reclaim attention from commercial forces and its role in fostering civil action. He also explores the link between mindfulness and sovereignty, and hints at the deeper benefits of sustained practice, making a compelling case for its societal influence.

Nov 4, 2019 • 23min
The Future of the Emerge Podcast
A solo episode where Daniel shares his vision for the next turn in the inquiry of the Emerge podcast.

Oct 14, 2019 • 1h 26min
Rebel Wisdom // Future Thinkers // Emerge - Making Sense of the Sensemaking Web
David Fuller, Mike Gilliland and I spend time jamming on the conversational space that we have been participating in, and attempt to make sense of where this all might be going...

Oct 3, 2019 • 1h 10min
Ronan Harrington - Extinction Rebellion: Collective Sacrifice and Metamodern Praxis
This week I'm speaking with Ronan Harrington about Extinction Rebellion. We talk about the strategic dilemmas of Extinction Rebellion, and how it functions as a practical exploration of metamodern theory.
Previous Emerge episode with Ronan
We chat about:
- The limits of philosophical conversation and the need for practical movement building
- The challenge of moving from collective awareness to collective action
- The possibility of inspiring an ethos of sacrifice as a portal to action
- Extinction Rebellions upcoming actions beginning October 7th, which are positioned to be the largest direct action in UK history
- Our mutual desire to move beyond conversations and into experimental action
And much more...
Extinction Rebellion International Rebellion

Sep 23, 2019 • 1h 21min
Guy Sengstock - Circling Towards Meaningfulness & Collective Intelligence
In this episode I'm speaking with Guy Sengstock. Guy is the creator/discoverer of Circling, a relational meditation practice that is quickly spreading across the world.
In this conversation, we cover such topics as:
- Guy’s take on what Circling is
- How Circling has revealed itself over the years to Guy
- What it means to obey what we discover in our practice(s)
- How we know to get interested in something
- The mystery at the heart of the practice of Circling
- Where the sacred and the divine live in Circling
- Why other people are terrifying
- Circling and Collective Intelligence
- How conversations make the world
- How making fine distinctions brings the world into being
The Circling Institute

Sep 17, 2019 • 55min
Zak Stein - Metapsychology, Soul, and Collapse (Pt. 2)
In this episode, I'm speaking with writer, educator and futurist Zak Stein. We discuss 'Metapsychology', Zak's attempt to answer the question 'what is the human?' brought up in our previous conversation about a vision for metamodern education. This is part two of a two part conversation.
It's recommended that you listen to my previous conversation with Zak on Education and the Meta-Crisis before you listen to this episode.
Apologies for the sound quality on this episode, it's a little rough around the edges. 😕
We talk about:
- What is soul?
- How to understand suicide and collapse from a soul perspective
- The symmetries between suicide and the movement towards collapse we are collectively moving towards
- How metapsychology helps us understand what the human being is
- How our entertainment industry functions to repress our encounter with death
- Why you can't do educational design without metapsychology
- The difference between spirit and soul

Sep 10, 2019 • 1h 4min
Zak Stein - Metapsychology, Soul, and Collapse (Pt. 1)
In this episode I'm speaking once again with writer, educator and futurist Zak Stein. We discuss 'Metapsychology', Zak's attempt to answer the question 'what is the human?' brought up in our previous conversation about a vision for metamodern education. This is part one of a two part conversation.
It's recommended that you listen to my previous conversation with Zak on Education and the Meta-Crisis before you listen to this episode.
Apologies for the sound quality on this episode, it's a little rough around the edges. 😕
We talk about:
- What is soul?
- How to understand suicide and collapse from a soul perspective
- The symmetries between suicide and the movement towards collapse we are collectively moving towards
- How metapsychology helps us understand what the human being is
- How our entertainment industry functions to repress our encounter with death
- Why you can't do educational design without metapsychology
- The difference between spirit and soul