

Health:Further
Marcus Whitney & Vic Gatto
Every week, healthcare VCs and Jumpstart Health Investors co-founders Vic Gatto and Marcus Whitney review and unpack the happenings in US Healthcare, finance, technology and policy. With a firm belief that our healthcare system is doomed without entrepreneurship, they work through the mud to find the jewels, highlight headwinds and tailwinds, and bring on the smartest guests to fill in the gaps.
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Mar 1, 2025 • 1h 3min
121 - Medicaid Cuts, AI Takeovers, and the Healthcare Power Struggle
Vic and Marcus discuss the latest developments in healthcare, policy, and technology, including major VC deals in medical claims automation and AI-driven medical coding, the rise of federated imaging networks, and the implications of a wearable defibrillator maker planning a $150M IPO. They analyze the House-passed GOP budget and its potential impact on Medicaid, as well as the White House’s push for price transparency in healthcare. The hosts cover Medicare Advantage enrollment trends, a proposed exchange for small businesses, and the privatization of Walgreens. Other topics include the end of the Ozempic shortage, Eli Lilly's $27B investment in U.S. manufacturing, AI advancements, cybersecurity risks, and Meta’s $200B AI data center expansionLinks:3:12 - Camber gets $30M for medical claims automation Axios4:32 - Charta Health Secures $8.1 Million After Turning Cold Emails Into Profit in Just 60 Days Aim Research6:45 - Avandra lands $17.5M to build out federated imaging network7:09 - Wearable defibrillator maker Kestra Medical plots $150M IPO8:43 - New ‘Dream Exchange’ Aims to List Black-Owned Companies11:43 - House Passes G.O.P. Budget Teeing Up Enormous Tax and Spending Cuts12:42 - House budget plan advances, paving way for major Medicaid cuts14:48 - Making America Healthy Again by Empowering Patients with Clear, Accurate, and Actionable Healthcare Pricing Information White House16:08 - Price transparency enforcement gets a boost as Trump signs executive order HFMA17:34 - BCBSA report: Addressing hospital, pharma costs could save $1T over next decade Fierce Healthcare19:06 - Trump Team Weighs Pulling Funds for Moderna Bird Flu Vaccine20:29 - Telehealth advocates turn up the pressure as Medicare deadline nears Axios23:21 - Trump memo directs federal agencies, HHS to fire more employees and submit agency reorg plans25:54 - Medicare Advantage growth slows as UnitedHealthcare nabs members, Humana sheds lives Healthcare Dive28:09 - Walgreens' Breakup: Inside the Private Equity Takeover That Could Reshape the Pharmacy Giant Yahoo29:17 - Semaglutide shortage ends as FDA sets deadline for compounders Pharmaceutical Technology31:33 - Eli Lilly Plans to Spend $27 Billion on New U.S. Plants34:28 - AstraZeneca’s Breast Cancer Drug Shows Positive Results In Late-Stage Trial35:02 - Why We Don’t Trust Doctors Like We Used To39:27 - First Measles Death Reported in Texas Outbreak41:23 - Organ Transplant System ‘in Chaos’ as Waiting Lists Are Ignored44:21 - Red Light Therapy Gets the Green Light, Sort Of45:41 - AI Startup Anthropic FiHF SiteYOUTUBEINSTAGRAMTWITTERFACEBOOKLINKEDINTIKTOK

Feb 22, 2025 • 1h 19min
120 - Trump Slashes Thousands of HHS Jobs, Quantum Breakthrough, & Zuckerberg’s Robot Gamble!
Vic and Marcus starting with Marcus’ firsthand insights from Saudi Arabia, exploring its rapid modernization, healthcare overhaul, and economic transformation. They shift to the evolving landscape of venture capital, questioning AI healthcare valuations and the shift away from Delaware for corporate registrations. The conversation delves into private equity’s changing dynamics, U.S. healthcare policy shifts, and the financial struggles of major institutions like Mass General Brigham and CHS. They discuss AI’s growing role in healthcare and tech, including Meta’s push into humanoid robotics and the mixed reality of AI-powered agents. Wrapping up, they analyze regulatory changes, workforce shifts in federal agencies and healthcare, and how the evolving political and economic environment is reshaping industries across the board.Links:12:34 - Fed Minutes Reveal Little Appetite for Near-Term Rate Cuts WSJ13:21 - AI health-care startup OpenEvidence raises funding from Sequoia at $1 billion valuation CNBC15:10 - Frontera Health gets $32M for autism therapy tools Axios17:38 - Posterity collects $13M Series A for male fertility Axios18:13 - Millie secures $12M to expand its maternity care platform Mobi Health18:36 - Ex-Redesign Health director debuts Terrarium incubator Axios19:21 - Leaving Delaware Blog23:30 - The New Survival Guide for Private Equity: Go Big or Get Back to Basics WSJ28:04 - HHS is losing thousands of workers under Trump administration probationary job cuts AP News30:53 - FTC chair endorses Trump's ability to fire commissioners Axios33:00 - Musk Cost-Cutting Effort Is Being Guided by Health Entrepreneur NYT49:02 - Humana's CenterWell unit plans further expansion in 2025 Fierce Healthcare49:59 - UnitedHealth Group offers buyouts to eligible employees Fierce Healthcare51:04 - CommonSpirit Health logs $135M Q2 operating gain on higher volumes, checked labor spend Fierce Healthcare52:11 - Mass General Brigham opens FY25 with $54M operating loss; expects layoffs to save over $200M annually Fierce Healthcare53:07 - CHS’ losses widen in 2024 Healthcare Dive55:13 - NYU Langone hospital nurses give strike notice Beckers55:51 - A look under the hood at Risant Health’s value-based platform Fierce Healthcare58:16 - MultiPlan unveils rebrand as it shifts focus to data assets, tech for providers, payers and employers Fierce Healthcare59:01 - Lumeris unveils AI tech for primary care Fierce Healthcare Fierce Healthcare 59:48 - Corti AI adds UpToDate integration to its foundation model Fierce Healthcare1:00:38 - Mark Zuckerberg Bets Big That Real Humans Want Humanoid RobHF SiteYOUTUBEINSTAGRAMTWITTERFACEBOOKLINKEDINTIKTOK

Feb 18, 2025 • 43min
119 - AI is Eliminating Doctor Burnout and Revolutionizing Healthcare w/Seema Verma
In this episode of Health Further, hosts Vic sit down with Seema Verma, EVP and General Manager of Oracle Health and Life Sciences. They discuss the transformative potential of AI in healthcare, focusing on how automation can alleviate administrative burdens and enhance clinical decision-making. Seema shares insights on Oracle’s efforts to modernize electronic health records (EHR), improve interoperability, and integrate AI-driven solutions to streamline workflows for providers and empower patients with better access to their health data. The conversation also covers cybersecurity in healthcare, the future of clinical trials, and how Oracle aims to bridge the gap between clinical care and research. Finally, they explore how Oracle’s technology can help restore joy to medical professionals by reducing bureaucratic inefficiencies and allowing them to focus on patient care.Connect with Seema VermaLinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/seema-verma-384b3a5/Website - https://www.oracle.com/health/HF SiteYOUTUBEINSTAGRAMTWITTERFACEBOOKLINKEDINTIKTOK

Feb 17, 2025 • 55min
118 - DeepSeek is UNLEASHED, Doge’s Shocking Move & Inflation’s Breaking Point! w/ Paul Kappelman
In this episode of Health Further, guest host Paul Kappelman joins Vic to discuss the latest in healthcare policy, economics, and innovation. They break down the latest inflation data and its impact on healthcare, analyze major VC investments in longevity and nutrition startups, and examine policy changes affecting hospitals, physicians, and payers. The conversation covers the challenges of rural hospitals, Medicare Advantage reforms, and potential cuts to NIH research funding. They also explore Tenet Healthcare’s financial strategy, the growing issue of hospital bad debt, and Humana’s push for operational efficiency. The episode wraps with discussions on AI’s role in healthcare, Elon Musk’s bid for OpenAI, and concerns over the risks of open-source AI models.Links:2:41 - Inflation Heated Up in January, Freezing the Fed WSJ5:54 - Prenuvo adds new health tests to flagship full-body scan, raises $120 million in fresh funding CNBC8:47 - Startups Fay and Berry Street each bank $50M with growing investor appetite for personalized nutrition Fierce Healthcare10:26 - Senate confirms RFK Jr. as head of HHS in 52-48 vote Fierce Healthcare14:12 - Healthcare lobbying 2025: Here are the top policy issues for hospitals, payers, docs and tech Fierce Healthcare24:57 - DOGE’s First Round of Cuts Went to Trump Priorities, but Bigger Targets Await WSJ28:20 - Tenet Healthcare CEO touts portfolio transformation, policy change bulwarks on Q4 earnings call Fierce Healthcare32:12 - Nearly half of rural hospitals in the red, 432 vulnerable to closure, report finds Fierce Healthcare36:51 - Hospital bad debt is getting worse Beckers39:31 - Humana putting focus on operational efficiency amid MA headwinds Fierce Healthcare40:31 - Cigna To link executive pay to customer satisfaction42:27 - Novartis to Buy Anthos Therapeutics From Blackstone for Up to $3.1 Billion WSJ42:53 - Novartis Superbowl Ad Youtube44:07 - For the Sick and Dying, Live Music to Ease the Pain NYT46:13 - Elon Musk-Led Group Makes $97.4 Billion Bid for Control of OpenAI WSJ47:17 - Vance Warns U.S. Allies to Keep AI Regulation Light WSJ48:46 - DeepSeek Offers Bioweapon, Self-Harm Information WSJ50:38 - Thomson Reuters Wins First Major AI Copyright Case in the US WiredHF SiteYOUTUBEINSTAGRAMTWITTERFACEBOOKLINKEDINTIKTOK

Feb 11, 2025 • 38min
117 - The Shocking Truth About Health Tech Startups | What’s Really Happening w/ Guest Sheila Philcil
In this episode, Vic and Marcus speak with Sheila Philcil, a social change futurist and health equity expert, about the challenges and inefficiencies in healthcare innovation. Sheila shares her journey from aspiring doctor to public health leader, influenced by her firsthand experiences in Haiti and with her grandmother's cancer treatment. She discusses the systemic flaws in the U.S. healthcare model, the impact of innovation that ignores real patient needs, and her work at Boston Medical Center in health equity. The conversation delves into the disconnect between technology and patient experience, the failure of many healthcare startups, and the need for patient-centered innovation. Sheila introduces her startup, Phicil-itate Change, and its AI- and blockchain-powered platform, Compass Project, which seeks to revolutionize health tech by ensuring innovations are built around real patient stories and needs.Phicil-itate Change, LLC - https://phicil-itatechange.com/HF SiteYOUTUBEINSTAGRAMTWITTERFACEBOOKLINKEDINTIKTOK

Feb 8, 2025 • 1h 9min
116 - RFK vs. Big Pharma, Elon’s Aid Freeze, and ChatGPT’s SoftBank
Caroline Carralero joins Vic to discuss gut health, probiotics, and metabolic wellness. They break down how supplements impact weight loss, why gut microbiome health is critical, and the future of AI in healthcare. The episode also covers Trump’s tariffs, venture capital trends, and FDA food safety regulations.Links:00:07 - Guest Host: Caroline Carralero CEO of Daily Nouri11:30 - Daily Nouri Podcast: Gut Check12:47 - Inside the Chaotic Run-Up to Trump’s Tariff U-Turn WSJ17:21 - Trump Tariffs Caused a Market Meltdown, but Investors Shook It Off WSJ18:05 - China Retaliates Against U.S., Intensifying Trade War WSJ19:01 - SafelyYou Raises $43M Series C CityBiz21:42 - KKR Raises Its Direct Stakes in Three Companies WSJ23:46 - RFK Jr. appears on his way to being Trump's health secretary after a party-line vote NPR24:24 - RFK Jr. is 'the perfect person for this job at this time,' Daily Nouri founder says on Fox34:41 - Physician group sues Trump admin to reverse agencies' health web page, data blackout Fierce Healthcare36:44 - Musk Moves With Lightning Speed to Exert Control Over the Government WSJ40:17 - Trump Signs Order to Create U.S. Sovereign-Wealth Fund WSJ42:32 - Centene beats the Street with $283M in profit for Q4 Fierce Healthcare42:55 - Teladoc Health acquires Catapult Health for $65M to boost chronic condition management, at-home testing Fierce Healthcare44:44 - Here's why researchers think most people stop taking weight loss drugs within a year USA Today45:05 - Discontinuation and Reinitiation of Dual-Labeled GLP-1 Receptor Agonists Among US Adults With Overweight or Obesity Jama52:14 - Novartis Sets High Bar in Pursuit of Obesity Deals, CEO Says WSJ53:45 - Merck Shares Hit After Guidance Falls Short, Gardasil Challenge WSJ55:26 - Press Ganey partners with Microsoft in generative AI expansion Fierce Healthcare57:28 - Introducing deep research OpenAI website1:01:39 - SoftBank, OpenAI to Offer AI Services in Japan WSJ1:02:43 - Google’s Revenue Growth Slows, Sending Shares Down WSJ1:04:29 - ChatGPT vs. Claude vs. DeepSeek: The Battle to Be My AI Work Assistant WSJHF SiteYOUTUBEINSTAGRAMTWITTERFACEBOOKLINKEDINTIKTOK

Feb 3, 2025 • 1h 33min
115 - Trump’s Crypto Power Play, DeepSeek’s AI Breakthrough, & the Economic Shock No One Saw Coming!
Vic and Marcus analyze the political and economic implications of the recent inauguration, discussing the rapid executive orders issued and their potential impact on healthcare, markets, and policy. They explore the intersection of politics and investment strategies, debate the role of DEI in the current administration’s economic outlook, and break down Trump’s increasing involvement in cryptocurrency and financial markets. The conversation extends to inflation concerns, Federal Reserve decisions, AI’s role in government, and how major healthcare players like Cigna and Walgreens are responding to industry shifts. The episode concludes with a discussion on the future of venture capital, the evolving role of General Catalyst, and broader implications of tariffs on the U.S. economy.Links:22:58 - US GDP Grew 2.5% in 2024, but Slowed Slightly in Final Quarter24:07 - Fed Stands Pat on Rates, Entering New Wait-and-See Phase26:10 - Trump Media Announces New Push Into Finance to Support the ‘Patriot Economy’41:01 - General Catalyst selling stakes as it expands beyond VC roots Axios44:48 - RFK Jr. Backs Vaccines and Trump’s Agenda in Senate Testimony49:29 - Overview of President Trump’s Executive Actions on Global Health KFF50:08 - OpenAI launches ChatGPT Gov for U.S. government agencies53:06 - Trump's Treasury pick Scott Bessent pushes universal 2.5% tariff plan that would rise each month: Economic Times1:05:21 - Cigna set to close $3.7B MA sale to HCSC in Q11:05:31 - Walgreens shares drop 10% after company suspends quarterly dividend amid turnaround efforts1:06:12 - HCA Healthcare posts revenue gains despite hurricane roadblocks; execs address Trump policy uncertainties1:07:22 - Hims & Hers to Advertise Weight-Loss Shots at the Super Bowl1:07:34 - Hims: 60 sec Superbowl a]Ad Youtube1:11:56 - Novo Nordisk’s Ozempic Gets FDA Approval as Kidney-Disease Treatment1:14:57 - Roche Expects Sales, Earnings Growth After Better-Than-Expected Results1:15:04 - Sanofi Expects Strong Earnings Growth This Year, Plans $5.2 Billion Buyback1:15:24 - OpenAI’s ‘Operator’ Agent Can Buy Groceries, File Expense Reports1:17:10 - OpenAI in Talks for Huge Investment Round Valuing It Up to $300 Billion1:18:43 - Deep Seek explained on Bankless1:19:35 - What to Know About China’s DeepSeek AI1:24:46 - DeepSeek Scrambles U.S.-China Tech War1:24:48 - NVIDA sales to Sinapore (maybe migrating to China?) X post1:26:14 - Meta Gave Away Its A.I. Crown Jewels. DeepSeek Vindicated Its Strategy1:26:17 - Meta Platforms SaHF SiteYOUTUBEINSTAGRAMTWITTERFACEBOOKLINKEDINTIKTOK

Jan 25, 2025 • 1h 51min
114 - Trump's DEI / HHS Freeze, China's AI On A Budget & J&J Depression Nasal Spray
In this episode, Vic and guest host Emily Evans explore a variety of pressing topics, including the sharp rise in food prices and its implications for inflation, the Federal Reserve’s challenges with managing interest rates, and the historical context of government fiscal policy. They also discuss innovative ventures like Lindus Health's clinical trials reform, ELOS AI's behavioral health scribing, and Oshie Health's virtual GI solutions. Other highlights include Recipio's AI-driven remote health monitoring, venture investments in Saudi Arabia, and the political theater surrounding AI infrastructure funding. The episode concludes with a deep dive into the impact of policy shifts on healthcare systems and federal funding.00:46 - Food Prices Are Rising Again WSJ07:47 - Lindus Health raises $55M to ‘fix the broken clinical trial industry’ Tech Crunch08:49 - Eleos raises $60 million for AI scribe for behavioral health providers Stat12:57 - Oshi Health raises $60M to expand payer coverage of virtual GI solution Fierce Healthcare14:23 - Percipio Health collects $20M for phone-based monitoring Axios16:18 - Redesign Health partners with Sanabil Investments to launch healthcare venture studio in Saudi Arabia Fierce Healthcare17:20 - Tech Leaders Pledge Up to $500 Billion in AI Investment in U.S.WSJ21:21 - Musk Pours Cold Water on Trump-Backed Stargate AI Project WSJ23:14 - Pension Funds Want Private Equity to Open Up About Fees and Returns WSJ25:05 - What Trump's first day orders mean for healthcare: Ditched drug models, pauses on rules and hiring Fierce HealthcareTrump Withdraws U.S. from World Health Organization NYT29:52 - Trump’s War on DEI Freezes Diversity Work Across Federal Government WSJTop NIH Academic Medical Center Recipients NIH44:07 - Trump freezes HHS communications Modern Healthcare45:36 - Trump Order Seeks to Stop Virus Research That Critics Have Linked to Covid WSJ50:07 - House G.O.P. Floats Medicaid Cuts and More to Finance Trump’s Huge Agenda NYT1:06:45 - Hospitals that make profits should pay taxes Stat1:15:01 - CMS will appeal UnitedHealthcare's MA star ratings court win Fierce Healthcare1:18:21 - Elevance Health reports $418M in profit for Q4 Fierce Healthcare1:20:29 - Insurers inventing more roadblocks to claims, providers say Modern Healthcare1:24:16 - Nonprofit hospitals' credit downgrades outpaced upgrades again in 2024Fierce Healthcare1:25:13 - Hospital, PE-affiliated primary care docs charge higher prices than independents, study finds Fierce Healthcare1:27:27 - Dogs paired with providers at hospHF SiteYOUTUBEINSTAGRAMTWITTERFACEBOOKLINKEDINTIKTOK

Jan 21, 2025 • 54min
113 - How AI is Transforming Medical Coding & Healthcare Operations w/ Talha Haseen
In this episode of Health Further, hosts Vic speak with Talha Haseen from Fathom, an AI-driven medical coding company. They explore Talha's journey from chemical engineering to healthcare strategy at McKinsey, his work on the No Surprises Act at Envision Healthcare, and his transition to Fathom. The conversation covers the evolution of AI in medical coding, its implications for healthcare administration, the challenges of scaling AI solutions, and the future of fully automating administrative tasks. They also discuss the broader implications of AI in healthcare, potential job displacement, and how these technologies could transform patient care.Talha Haseen BioTalha works at Fathom. Fathom is an autonomous/AI medical coding technology company in San Francisco that focuses on automating an administrative operation within the healthcare sector. Talha is a Nashville native who has worked across McKinsey & Co., Vanderbilt University Medical Center, and large provider groups. His work has largely involved advising organizations on growth strategy, population health & value-based care, and the use of technology to improve business and patient outcomes.Talha studied Chemical & Bio-molecular engineering at Vanderbilt University.Connect with Talha Haseen: https://www.fathomhealth.com/insights/why-i-joined-fathom-talha-haseenHF SiteYOUTUBEINSTAGRAMTWITTERFACEBOOKLINKEDINTIKTOK

Jan 18, 2025 • 1h 16min
112 - AI Replacing Jobs, JP Morgan's Bold Move, and Healthcare's Biggest Shakeups Yet!
Economic implications of the jobs report and inflation trends, how bond yields are shaping global markets, and the impact of AI on mid-level job markets. They analyze JP Morgan's office return mandate, Meta's corporate shifts, and major VC and healthcare developments like Eli Lilly's new venture fund with Andreessen Horowitz. The episode concludes with insights into challenges in Medicare Advantage, value-based care, and the growing role of AI in medicine.3:18 - Hiring Blew Past Expectations With 256,000 Jobs Added in December5:08 - Inflation Rises Again, Hitting 2.9% in December6:37 - Why Bond Yields Are Surging Around the World8:58 - JPMorgan Chase Disables Employee Comments After Return-to-Office Backlash11:57 - Balance of Power Shifts Back Toward Bosses17:50 - Meta to Cut Roughly 5% of Staff, Targeting Lowest Performers21:38 - Innovaccer clinches $275M series F funding to build out AI, cloud capabilities22:43 - IntusCare Increases Total Funding to Over $27M through Strategic Follow-On Funding IntusCare website24:39 - Spurred by AI’s possibilities, Eli Lilly and Andreessen Horowitz partner on $500M venture fund Stat26:09 - VC firms back exchange-based employee health benefits28:12 - Trump Says World Is Free-Riding on U.S. Health Spending. He Has a Point31:24 - In surprise move, Biden administration terminates the Medicare Advantage Value-Based Insurance Design Model HFMA34:39 - SCOTUS agrees to hear challenge to Obamacare’s preventive care coverage35:56 - House GOP puts Medicaid, ACA, climate measures on chopping block36:51 - FDA Bans Artificial Dye Red 3 From Food37:41 - Xiaohongshu (RedNote), China’s answer to Instagram, hits No. 1 on the App Store as TikTok faces US shutdown40:59 - UnitedHealth’s Earnings Point to High Medical Costs in 2025. Health Insurer Stocks Sink. Barrons44:57 - Docs incensed by Medicare Advantage hike, demand physician payment update46:50 - Nearly 5,000 Providence nurses, doctors launch Oregon's largest healthcare strike48:36 - Health systems eye $30 billion revenue target52:40 - Avel eCare acquires Amwell Psychiatric Care, expands to 46 states53:54 - Prospect Medical Holdings files for Chapter 11 amid criticisms of prior PE ownership57:30 - Johnson & Johnson to Acquire Intra-Cellular in $15 Billion Deal58:29 - Eli Lilly to Buy Scorpion Therapeutics Drug Program in $2.5 Billion Deal58:47 - Kids Turn to a Mental-Health Chatbot to Share Their Anxieties1:00:51 - HF SiteYOUTUBEINSTAGRAMTWITTERFACEBOOKLINKEDINTIKTOK