
In AI We Trust?
In AI We Trust? is a podcast hosted by Miriam Vogel of EqualAI where we survey the global landscape for inspiration and best practices in the AI space with an eye toward responsible, trustworthy AI. Each episode aims to answer a ‘big question’ as we speak to leaders in government, tech and civil society.
Latest episodes

Apr 8, 2022 • 47min
Dr. Athina Kanioura (PepsiCo): Is AI a Privilege Reserved for Big Tech?
Dr. Athina Kanioura is Chief Strategy and Transformation Officer at PepsiCo, leading their company-wide transformation in digital strategy. In this episode, Athina opens our eyes to ways that companies like PepsiCo are using AI (and equally important, where they are not). She shares challenges in undergoing a digital transformation and explains their legacy-focused approach to AI integration as a means for greater efficiency as well as instilling better sustainability practices, upskilling employees and supporting small business partners.

Mar 31, 2022 • 52min
Keith Sonderling, EEOC Commissioner: Does AI scale or reduce bias in the workplace?
Keith Sonderling is a Commissioner of the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) and helped launch the EEOC's unprecedented Initiative on Artificial Intelligence and Algorithmic Fairness in 2021. In this episode, he shares guidance for employers on building, buying and employing AI programs in HR systems and shares his optimism on the unique opportunity we have at this moment to ensure a significant, positive impact in deploying AI technology.Subscribe to catch each new episode! Find us on Apple(https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/in-ai-we-trust/id1563248151), Amazon, Spotify and all major platforms. To learn more about EqualAI, visit our website: https://www.equalai.org/ and follow us on Twitter: @ai_equal and LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/company/equalai/?viewAsMember=true). Find the referenced WEF Toolkit on Artificial Intelligence for Human Resources here: https://www.weforum.org/reports/human-centred-ai-for-hr-state-of-play-and-the-path-ahead#report-nav).

Mar 17, 2022 • 40min
MP Darren Jones: 'Horizon Scanning' to Design Better AI Regulation
Darren Jones is Member of UK Parliament who has chaired the Parliamentary Technology Information and Communications Forum, Parliamentary Commission on Technology Ethics, and Labour Digital. Darren is also the founding chair of the Institute of AI, a global coalition of legislators interested in AI, and he is a member of the World Economic Forum (WEF) Global AI Action Alliance (GAIAA). In this episode, Darren speaks to how legislators need to 'horizon scan' and understand cutting edge tech to translate it into creating more opportunities while reducing risk through laws and regulation. He argues regulation can support 'safety by design', instead of the tendency to retrofit AI trust and safety considerations at the end of the process.
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Mar 9, 2022 • 59min
Ziad Obermeyer: A physician, academic, McKinsey alum's approach to tackling bias in AI
Ziad Obermeyer is a Professor of Health Policy and Managementat the UC Berkeley School of Public Health where he conducts research at the intersection of machine learning, medicine, and health policy. Previously, he was a professor at Harvard Medical School and consultant at McKinsey & Co. He continues to practice emergency medicine in underserved parts of the US and is also a co-founder of Nightingale Open Science, a computing platform givingresearchers access to massive new health imaging datasets. In this episode, you'll hear how he ended up co-authoring the seminal study to identify bias in AI health systems, published in Science in 2019, and whether you should be using his Algorithmic Bias Playbook.Links to referenced articles and playbook: http://ziadobermeyer.com/research/https://www.chicagobooth.edu/research/center-for-applied-artificial-intelligence/research/algorithmic-bias

Mar 4, 2022 • 1h 9min
Jen Gennai (Google): How to Manage the Creation of Responsible AI Products for Billions
Jen Gennai is Founder and Director of the Responsible Innovation Group at Google. In her current role leading the Responsible Innovation Group, Jen and her team are responsible for creating and operationalizing Google’s AI Principles. In this episode, Jen shares what responsible AI means to her, lessons learned that inform her perspective from which we all can learn, how AI should or should not be regulated, and the AI innovations on the horizon she is excited to see come to fruition.

Feb 24, 2022 • 46min
Ilana Golbin (PwC): Does sci-fi help or hinder AI understanding?
Ilana Golbin is a Director in PwC Labs leading projects on Emerging Technology and AI. She is a Certified Ethical Emerging Technologistand was recently recognized in Forbes as one of 15 leaders advancing Ethical AI. In this episode, Ilana shares the principles she uses to ensure confidence in AI systems used both internally, at PWC, and when advising clients. She explains some of the complexitiesin the application of those principles, how responsible AI governance is part of a demonstration of cultural sensitivity and how sci-fi can be a helpful partner in the governance process. ----- Subscribe to catch each new episode on Apple (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/in-ai-we-trust/id1563248151),Spotify and all major platforms. To learn more about EqualAI, visit our website: https://www.equalai.org/and follow us on Twitter: @ai_equal and LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/company/equalai/?viewAsMember=true).

Feb 17, 2022 • 52min
Renee Cummings: How AI Does (& Should) Impact Our BHM Celebration
Renée Cummings is a pioneering AI ethicist, Criminologist, Columbia University Community Scholar, and Founder of Urban AI. Her studies focus on the impact of AI on criminal justice, specifically in communities of color and incarcerated populations. In this episode, you will be inspired by Renee's insights on the impact that AI and data science has on our civil rights, how increasing diversity in AI is fundamental to creating technology that reflects our humanity, and improvements that still need to be made in areas such as trust and accountability. ----- Subscribe to catch each new episode on Apple (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/in-ai-we-trust/id1563248151), Spotify and all major platforms. To learn more about EqualAI, visit our website: https://www.equalai.org/ and follow us on Twitter: @ai_equal and LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/company/equalai/?viewAsMember=true)

Feb 11, 2022 • 42min
Marco Casalaina (Salesforce): Techno-Optimist not a Techno-Chauvinist
In this episode, MarcoCasalaina, Salesforce’s SVP of Product Management and GM of Einstein, explains how his decades of experience in AI and tech has resulted in his techno-optimism, how an AIethicist enhances his work and why he encourages others to join the EqualAI badge program. He also shares his excitement about rapidly developing transforming models but illuminates how this technology will be the next gen ethical AI quandary.-----Subscribe to catch each new episode on Apple (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/in-ai-we-trust/id1563248151),Spotify and all major platforms. To learn more about EqualAI, visit our website: https://www.equalai.org/and follow us on Twitter: @ai_equal and LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/company/equalai/?viewAsMember=true).

Feb 4, 2022 • 33min
Mukesh Dalal, Stanley Black & Decker (SBD): Why all companies will need a Chief AI Officer
As the Chief AI officer at Stanley Black and Decker (SBD), Mukesh Dalal has helped transform a 178-year-old global manufacturing company’s approach to AI with the vision of delivering $1 billion of value to the company through AI and Analytics. In this week’s episode, Mukesh outlines SBD’s forward-thinking strategy on AI, describes SBD’s journey into the responsible AI space, and foresees that soon all major companies will have Chief AI Officers to harness the business potential and root out risks of AI technology. Subscribe to catch each new episode on Apple, Spotify and all major platforms. To learn more about EqualAI, visit our website: https://www.equalai.org/ and follow us on Twitter: @ai_equal.

Jan 28, 2022 • 40min
Meghna Sinha: Why data scientists are like medical professionals; why ignorance is not an option and steps we all must take when making data-based decisions
Meghna Sinha is the Vice President of AI and Data at Verizon’s AI Center. Before joining Verizon, Meghna was Target’s VP of Data Sciences. In this episode, Meghna posits that data scientists are similar to medical practitioners, affirms that AI must start and end with humans, and shares lessons from the EqualAI Badge Program for Responsible AI Governance. Referenced papers/articles can be found here: WEF Toolkit (https://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_Empowering_AI_Leadership_2022.pdf) @VogelMiriam & Robert Eccles article on AI as a necessary part of Board governance (https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2022/01/05/board-responsibility-for-artificial-intelligence-oversight/) Meghna’s article offering tips to women in tech: https://www.verizon.com/about/news/top-tips-women-tech
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