K9s Talking Scents

Cameron Ford
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Aug 7, 2025 • 1h 5min

#121 She Trains Strong - Ilse Duineveld

Is your dog confused — or are you confusing your dog?In this episode of K9's Talking Scents, Cameron Ford sits down with Ilse Duineveld, a working dog trainer, researcher, and behavioral expert who’s shaking up how we think about detection training.Together, they dive into:Why "odor load" might be sabotaging your dog’s ability to stay focusedThe importance of clarity and consistency in scent workHow her research is reframing the way we approach K9 learningWhether training multiple odors at once is helping… or hurtingHow to build better focus and reduce noise in your training sessionsThe line between operational readiness and overcomplicationIlse is a blend of academic rigor and practical expertise — and this conversation is a must-listen for any handler who wants to go beyond reps and get to the why behind behavior.📍 Listen now wherever you get your podcasts.CHAPTERS00:00 - Meet Ilse Duineveld: Her background in research & working dogs  02:45 - What’s “odor load” and why does it matter?  06:10 - Can you train too many odors at once?  09:55 - Odor clarity vs. odor confusion  14:32 - Ilse’s research on behavior, detection, and learning  18:47 - Building operational reliability in working dogs  22:18 - Is focus more important than reps?  26:10 - Science vs. handler instinct: where they meet  29:45 - Final thoughts and where to find Ilse’s workUpcoming Seminars: https://www.fordk9.com/events/Stratos K9 Application: https://stratosk9.com/work-for-us/
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Jul 24, 2025 • 1h 23min

#120 Learning To Adapt with Jerry Bradshaw

Few figures have had as lasting an impact on the K9 world as Jerry Bradshaw — founder of Tarheel K9, co-creator of PSA, and host of the Controlled Aggression podcast. In this special episode, Jerry sits down with K9's Talking Scents to reflect on the evolution of dog sports, detection dog methodologies, and the delicate balance between science and experience in modern training.We go deep into:The birth and rise of PSA (Protection Sports Association)Why rigidity in traditional dog sports pushed trainers to innovateThe importance of adaptability, breed diversity, and age inclusivityMarker training vs direct reward — and why the debate might be overblownThe danger of taking online training out of contextWhy failure in training is not only inevitable, but essentialIf you’ve ever debated technique, struggled with online misinformation, or wondered how the greats think about training philosophy — this episode is for you.00:00 - Intro & Meet Jerry Bradshaw  01:05 - The Origin of PSA  08:10 - Evolving Dog Sports & Breeds  14:20 - Why PSA Skipped Detection  18:14 - Changes in Detection Work  28:39 - Science vs Experience  35:40 - Simplifying What Matters  45:07 - Detection Training Methods  55:00 - Social Media & Misinterpretation  59:12 - The Value of In-Person Learning  01:07:03 - Advice for Handlers  01:13:15 - Double Blind & Real-World Readiness  01:17:39 - Collaboration Over Division  01:21:26 - Where to Find Jerry  01:22:55 - Outro  
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Jul 10, 2025 • 59min

#119 Zach Skow on Redemption, Recovery & the Pawsitive Change Movement

In this moving episode of K9's Talking Scents, host Cameron Ford sits down with Zach Skow, co-founder of Marley’s Mutts and the groundbreaking Pawsitive Change Program.Zach shares his personal battle with addiction—and how it ultimately led him to a purpose-driven mission: rescuing shelter dogs and pairing them with incarcerated individuals to create a powerful cycle of healing and redemption.Through Pawsitive Change, inmates train rescue dogs inside California prisons, giving both a second chance at life. These dogs don’t just find homes—they sometimes go on to become working K9s in security, detection, and emotional support.In this episode:Zach’s story of recovery and building Marley’s MuttsWhy working with rescue dogs heals trauma for both humans and animalsHow the Pawsitive Change program transforms inmates and reduces recidivismAddressing the stigma around bully breeds in K9 and detection workReal success stories—both canine and humanThis one goes beyond dog training. It’s about purpose, second chances, and using K9s to create real social change.Chapters:00:00 Intro & Meet Zach Skow02:45 Zach’s Journey Through Addiction & Recovery07:12 The Origin of Marley’s Mutts10:28 Launching the Pawsitive Change Prison Program15:41 How Inmates Train Rescue Dogs Behind Bars20:03 Giving Purpose to the Forgotten—Dogs and Humans25:36 Stigma Around Bully Breeds in K9 Work31:19 Real Stories of Redemption from the Program37:44 Dogs as a Catalyst for Healing and Reform41:12 Pitbulls, Detection Work & the Future of K9 Training45:10 What’s Next for Marley’s Mutts & Pawsitive Change
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Jun 26, 2025 • 60min

#118 Marine Corps Dog Handler Reveals the Untold Truths of Combat Detection Work

Upcoming Seminars: https://www.fordk9.com/events/Stratos K9 Application: https://stratosk9.com/work-for-us/In this episode of K9’s Talking Scents, host Cameron Ford sits down with Jonathan “Monte” to unpack his incredible journey from Marine Corps infantry to canine handler on the frontlines.Monte shares what it’s really like to work an off-leash IED detection dog in combat zones, including the high-stakes missions, life-or-death decisions, and the gut-wrenching moments that still haunt him. From learning to trust his dog under fire to dealing with the aftermath of critical mistakes, Monty gives an unfiltered look into the pressures K9 handlers face that most people never see.They also dive into:•The transition from military to contracting work•Why handler-dog bonding off the clock actually saves lives•The problem with ego in the K9 world•How modern training is evolving (but still has a long way to go)This episode is packed with real-world lessons, vulnerable moments, and powerful advice for dog handlers in any discipline.Chapters:00:00 Intro & Meet Monty01:18 Off-Leash IED Dog Program Explained05:06 Combat Missions & Game-Changing Experiences09:07 Life-or-Death Mistakes & Lasting Regrets14:35 The Pressure of Reading Your Dog in Combat18:14 The Power of Trust & Bonding with Your Dog25:30 Contracting World vs. Military Dog Work33:00 Why You Should Live with Your Dog39:00 Ego, Open-Mindedness & Industry Growth43:09 The Dangerous Role of Compulsion Training46:00 How the K9 Industry is Evolving (Slowly)51:42 Monty’s Journey into Social Media & Storytelling
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Jun 12, 2025 • 1h 18min

#117 Living The Dream with Deni McNulty & K9 Tanner

In this episode of K9s Talking Scents, host Cameron Ford sits down with Deni McNulty—a professional detection dog handler whose journey into the K9 world breaks all the traditional molds. With no military or law enforcement background, Deni started with a Craigslist shepherd and zero working dog experience. Today, she’s touring with Broadway’s Hamilton as a bomb detection dog handler with her partner Tanner.Deni shares how she transformed personal curiosity into a thriving professional career, what it was like transitioning from sport detection to high-stakes contract work, and the hard-won lessons she learned handling everything from “a Yorkie to a psycho Malinois.” You’ll hear candid insights about handler-dog bonding, private sector challenges, and why real-world readiness goes far beyond a perfect sit.Whether you're a handler, trainer, or just detection-dog-curious, this episode is packed with wisdom, humility, and tactical takeaways for anyone looking to break into the field from the civilian side.CHAPTERS00:00 Intro – Breaking Into K9 Detection Without Law Enforcement01:18 Deni’s Journey: From Craigslist Puppy to Nose Work06:50 Landing the First Detection Dog Job08:14 Handling Her First Real Working Dog14:16 Finding Tanner & Transitioning to Labs18:19 Private Sector vs Law Enforcement K9 Work25:41 Raising and Training Tanner from Puppy to Pro34:51 Life on the Road as a Broadway Bomb Dog Handler39:07 Real World vs Training: Reading Your Dog in Action50:00 Continuing Education & Advice for New Handlers
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May 29, 2025 • 1h 10min

#116 Revolutionizing Detection Dog Training with Science and Technology: Insights from Dr. Lauren DeGreeff and Dr. Lindsay Waldrop

Upcoming Seminars: https://www.fordk9.com/events/Stratos K9 Application: https://stratosk9.com/work-for-us/Unlock the secrets of detection dog training and discover innovative techniques revolutionizing the field! Join us as we welcome Dr. Lauren DeGreeff and Dr. Lindsay Waldrop, whose groundbreaking research into the sniffing prowess of dogs offers fresh insights into their remarkable abilities. Delve into the intriguing world of experimental and computational fluid dynamics, where Dr. Waldrop's passion for dogs and science converge, showing how breeds and skull shapes affect performance. Dr. DeGreeff shares her exciting transition to Florida International University, where her expanded research group delves into projects from explosives detection to human remains.Explore the complexities of training detection dogs and the significance of realistic scenarios, as we highlight challenges teams face transitioning to real-world searches. Discover how collaborations with institutions like Texas Tech and updates from OSAC are setting new standards in dog certification, ensuring rigorous evidence-based practices. Fascinating experiments reveal how scent detection and training methods evolve, from using smoke machines to visualize odor plumes to innovative training setups that encourage natural sniffing behaviors.Venture into the future with us as we discuss the intersection of AI and canine capabilities, where emerging technologies promise to enhance detection dogs' roles in law enforcement and beyond. Learn how AI is beginning to assist handlers with data-driven insights and imagine a future where it pinpoints specific odors detected by dogs. As we reflect on the logistical challenges of organizing dog trials, we express gratitude for the support that makes these endeavors possible and invite you to stay curious with "K9's Talking Scents.Chapters:(00:10) Detection Dog Research and Training(12:08) Advanced Detection Dog Training Insights(18:50) Training Variation in Detection Dogs(25:31) Enhancing Detection Dog Training Methods(32:59) Operational vs. Nose Work Dog Differences(45:38) Exploring Detection Dog Training Research(56:55) Utilizing Odor Chemistry in Dog Training(59:41) Advancements in Detection Dog Technology(01:09:07) Logistical Challenges in Running Dog Trials
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Mar 18, 2025 • 1h 21min

#115 K9s Talking Scent Podcast 2 Michaels a Ford with a Forrest

In this episode, Cameron Ford, Michael Ellis, Michael Nezbeth and Forrest Micke discuss the complexities of dog training, particularly focusing on skills transition for police dogs. They explore the importance of mental flexibility, managing arousal levels, and the role of handlers in facilitating effective training. The conversation emphasizes the need for calmness, the development of rituals and cues, and the application of matching law in reinforcement strategies. The trainers share insights from their experiences, highlighting the challenges and solutions in training dogs for law enforcement tasks. In this conversation, Cameron Ford delves into various aspects of dog training, focusing on the matching law, reinforcement strategies, and the importance of understanding hedonic value in training. He discusses the nuances of negative punishment and the significance of using markers effectively. The dialogue emphasizes the need for actionable skills in dog training, encouraging trainers to adapt their methods based on individual dog behavior and the context of training sessions.Sponsors Getxent Getxent odor absorption tubes http://www.getxent.comPrecision Explosives- Purchase all kinds of REAL odor training aids go visit http://www.pre-exp.comMichael Ellis online school http://www.michaelellisschool.com Grassroots K9 http://www.grassrootsk9.comFord K9 for all things detection dog and webinars, online classes and more http://www.fordk9.com Stratoscope Security solutions http://www.stratoscope.com
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Feb 27, 2025 • 1h 12min

#114 Detection Dog Standards and the Red Kong

In this episode, Cameron Ford and Dr. Paola Tiedemann discuss the role of OSAC and NIST in establishing standards for canine detection in forensic science. They explore the publication process, the importance of standardization, and the voluntary nature of these standards. The conversation highlights the evolving nature of these documents and the significance of defining dogs as sensors. Legal implications and community engagement are also emphasized as crucial elements in the successful implementation of these standards. In this conversation, Paola Tiedemann and Cameron Ford explore various aspects of canine detection, including the analysis of Kongs, the misconceptions surrounding bomb and gun dogs, and the complexities of chemical detection in firearms. They discuss the challenges posed by 3D printed guns, the evolving threats in explosive detection, and the ongoing research into fentanyl. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding chemical mixtures and the need for handlers to ask the right questions about training aids.Watch this episode on YouTube https://youtu.be/iKbKOq3RoJcTo sign up for OSAC click here https://www.nist.gov/organization-scientific-area-committees-forensic-science/how-to-work-with-us/apply-join-osacLinks to published standards https://www.aafs.org/search/standardsSponsors:Getxent (odor Absorption) Training aids. http://www.getxent.comPrecision Explosives get your explosive and drug training aids here.  NO LICENSE required. http://www.pre-exp.comSci K9 TADD Keep your training aids safe http://www.scik9.comFord K9 For everything Detection Dogs and online classes and webinars http://www.fordk9.com
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Feb 4, 2025 • 1h 45min

#113 The Invisible Bomb with Todd Wilber

In this episode of K9's Talking Scents, host Cameron Ford engages with Todd Wilber from Precision Explosives to discuss the intricacies of explosives, odor prints, and their applications in training detection dogs. The conversation delves into the science behind odor absorption, the importance of surface area in training aids, and the safety considerations when handling hazardous materials. They also explore the debate surrounding the use of Kong toys in detection training and innovative solutions for integrating scent into training tools. This conversation delves into the intricacies of dog scent detection, focusing on various training methods, the implications of 3D printing in creating training aids, and the evolving landscape of bomb detection. The speakers discuss the importance of adapting training to current threats, the effectiveness of different detection materials, and the necessity of realistic training scenarios to prepare dogs for real-world applications. In this conversation, Todd Wilber and Cameron Ford delve into the complexities of explosive detection, focusing on the training of bomb detection dogs and the various types of explosives they may encounter. They discuss the importance of understanding different explosive materials, the challenges posed by new homemade explosives like TATP and R-Salt, and the critical communication needed between dog handlers and bomb technicians. The conversation also highlights the risks associated with dual-purpose detection dogs (Gun and Explosive) and the need for specialized training to ensure safety and effectiveness in the field.Contact Todd Wilbur at http://www.pre-exp.comSponsors:Getxent: Purchase blank or odor soaked tubes at http://www.getxent.com or at http://www.pre-exp.comMichael Ellis School: The only place to get authentic Michael Ellis videos *Michael's Version  and training with Michael Ellis is at his website http://www.michaelellisschool.com Ford K9 for all things Detection Dogs and to find webinars, seminars and online classes go to http://www.fordk9.comStratascope: We develop custom, comprehensive security postures for each client. Contact our event operations experts today to learn more about our process and how we can secure your next event. http://www.stratascope.com Chapters00:00 Introduction to Explosives and Precision Explosives02:11 Understanding Odor Prints and Their Applications06:01 The Science Behind Odor Absorption and Release10:00 Best Practices for Using Training Aids12:00 Documenting Training with Odor Aids16:05 Exploring the Role of TADs in Training19:47 Safety Considerations with Hazardous Materials24:08 The Debate on Kong Toys in Detection Training28:04 Innovations in Scented Training Tools31:23 Understanding Dog Scent Detection33:03 The Rise of 3D Printing in Detection Training35:54 Evaluating Electronics Detection Methods38:52 Innovations in Bomb Detection Training46:56 Adapting to Evolving Threats in Bomb Detection55:59 Creating Realistic Training Scenarios01:07:16 Explosive Pairings and Training for Detection01:12:36 Understanding Smokeless Powder: Single vs Double Base01:14:17 Hazardous Device Mixtures and Training Considerations01:18:36 TATP and HMTD: Emerging Threats in Explosives01:21:24 The Explosive Train: Key Components for Bomb Dog Handlers01:24:31 Communication Between Handlers and Bomb Technicians01:27:10 Invisible Bombs: Concealment Techniques and Challenges01:32:02 R-Salt: A New Homemade Explosive01:35:58 The Dual Role of Bomb and Firearms Detection Dogs
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Jan 12, 2025 • 1h 35min

#112 The Beef Stew Theory with Dr. Katylynn Sloan

In this episode, Cameron Ford interviews Dr. Katylynn Sloan, a chemist with the United States Secret Service, who specializes in canine detection and odor availability. They discuss her extensive background in explosives research, recent publications on canine training, and the importance of understanding odor dynamics in detection work. Dr. Sloan emphasizes the significance of surface area, temperature, and generalization in training dogs, as well as the challenges posed by packaging and standards in the field. The conversation aims to bridge the gap between scientific research and practical application for canine handlers. In this conversation, Katylynn Sloan and Cameron Ford delve into the complexities of odor detection training for dogs, discussing the challenges of teaching dogs to recognize different odors, the importance of understanding vapor pressure, and the implications of using synthetic and alternative training aids. They also address the evolving threats in explosive detection, emphasizing the need for handlers to stay informed and adapt their training methods accordingly. In this conversation, Cameron Ford and Katylynn Sloan discuss the complexities of bomb detection, focusing on the evolution of explosive materials, the importance of understanding chemical mixtures, and best practices for bomb dog handlers. They emphasize the need for comprehensive training that includes exposure to various materials and mixtures, as well as collaboration with local bomb techs and adherence to safety standards.To contact Dr. Sloan email Katylynn.Sloan@usss.dhs.govManipulation of Odor Availability paper https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.frontiersin.org%2Fjournals%2Fallergy%2Farticles%2F10.3389%2Ffalgy.2024.1445570%2Ffull%3Ffbclid%3DIwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR3MM6785tXW49f94Bu32CP5weGp4w0lwX1izaE4m22VmfMnoNKXlDaD8qA_aem_fUV7ANAV8KkGdTq92PYy1w&h=AT0n95-NOzNFvO3HhiqH1J_XQCOKFwKUBmAczc_SPM4SShSZwdX_YwkRHrHi1j4SNmqF8zpRDSjWGAv2ggFL5vCrMqx9D5vaiIZi3Shf2IUDxX4uIt0eUqwDj2pVPBww_Xsf8iU_ig&__tn__=-UK-R&c%5B0%5D=AT11zQWZGxBzOe6Z6LJArD527zqP6acY89_7Wrz0JKqH2L8Xi1-2V4v-gOf20gAIOM2eX1vtOA1VNHA7pJDMKTnovrluGyIZLUSYxU6TAcry0eoUBJRW3BSMyqYPBlUyBOdAH7teK8d81OY_9tgT883jXBLKIAE1GtoYGFQKfUE-i-HwdukSponsors:Getxent http://www.getxent.comPrecision Explosives for all your odor soak and explosive needs http;//www.pre-exp.com Ford K9 for everything Detection Dogs from Webinars, online classes, seminars and Handler/Trainer Schools http://www.FordK9.com

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