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The news of AI voice cloning by Michael Caine and Matthew McConaughey met with a mixture of weighing legacy, ownership rights, estates, and the risk of deepfake fraud using celebrities and even podcasters. Chuck Joiner, Marty Jencius, Brian Flanigan-Arthurs, Jeff Gamet, Eric Bolden, Dave Ginsburg, Mark Fuccio, Web Bixby, and Jim Rea debate legal guardrails, fair use, and how cheap tools empower scams. Later, the discussion shifts to reports that London thieves prefer stealing iPhones over Android devices and how social engineering can defeat Apple's security measures. This edition of MacVoices is supported by The MacVoices Slack. Available all Patrons of MacVoices. Sign up at Patreon.com/macvoices. Show Notes: Chapters: [0:00] Sponsor mention and pivot to AI voice cloning [0:33] Michael Caine and Matthew McConaughey sign on for AI voice clones [1:59] Creepiness factor and everyday abuse of cloned voices [2:06] Spam callers, family impersonation, and scam risks [3:27] Comparing licensed AI voices to authors licensing their style [4:25] Ownership rights, estates, and posthumous revenue streams [5:43] Al Roker deepfake ad and unauthorized commercial use [8:32] Guardrails to protect voices from misuse [10:47] Illegality vs. cheap, hard-to-police AI impersonation [12:16] Public figures, fair use, and tougher likeness rules [14:51] London phone thieves returning Androids, keeping iPhones [16:00] Resale value, parts markets, and shipped-overseas phones [18:15] Social engineering tactics to get users to remove iCloud locks [18:28] Panel wrap-up, plugs, and where to find each participant [28:00] Closing credits, support options, and contact info Links: Michael Caine and Matthew McConaughey are getting AI voice clones with ElevenLabs https://apnews.com/article/ai-voice-clones-michael-caine-matthew-mcconaughey-elevenlabs-a906f912c4500bfea35b53f4ad07e846 Al Roker Deepfake Scam https://www.today.com/news/al-roker-deepfake-scam-rcna198136 Roblox is requiring 9yo kids to submit a video selfie for age verification https://9to5mac.com/2025/11/18/roblox-is-requiring-9yo-kids-to-submit-a-video-selfie-for-age-verification/ WhatsApp security flaw exposed 3.5B phone numbers – including yours https://9to5mac.com/2025/11/18/whatsapp-security-flaw-exposed-3-5b-phone-numbers-including-yours/ London thieves gave stolen phones back when they weren't iPhones https://9to5mac.com/2025/11/18/london-thieves-gave-stolen-phones-back-when-they-werent-iphones/ Guests: Web Bixby has been in the insurance business for 40 years and has been an Apple user for longer than that.You can catch up with him on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn, but prefers Bluesky. Eric Bolden is into macOS, plants, sci-fi, food, and is a rural internet supporter. You can connect with him on Twitter, by email at embolden@mac.com, on Mastodon at @eabolden@techhub.social, on his blog, Trending At Work, and as co-host on The Vision ProFiles podcast. Brian Flanigan-Arthurs is an educator with a passion for providing results-driven, innovative learning strategies for all students, but particularly those who are at-risk. He is also a tech enthusiast who has a particular affinity for Apple since he first used the Apple IIGS as a student. You can contact Brian on twitter as @brian8944. He also recently opened a Mastodon account at @brian8944@mastodon.cloud. Mark Fuccio is actively involved in high tech startup companies, both as a principle at piqsure.com, or as a marketing advisor through his consulting practice Tactics Sells High Tech, Inc. Mark was a proud investor in Microsoft from the mid-1990's selling in mid 2000, and hopes one day that MSFT will be again an attractive investment. You can contact Mark through Twitter, LinkedIn, or on Mastodon. Jeff Gamet is a technology blogger, podcaster, author, and public speaker. Previously, he was The Mac Observer's Managing Editor, and the TextExpander Evangelist for Smile. He has presented at Macworld Expo, RSA Conference, several WordCamp events, along with many other conferences. You can find him on several podcasts such as The Mac Show, The Big Show, MacVoices, Mac OS Ken, This Week in iOS, and more. Jeff is easy to find on social media as @jgamet on Twitter and Instagram, jeffgamet on LinkedIn., @jgamet@mastodon.social on Mastodon, and on his YouTube Channel at YouTube.com/jgamet. David Ginsburg is the host of the weekly podcast In Touch With iOS where he discusses all things iOS, iPhone, iPad, Apple TV, Apple Watch, and related technologies. He is an IT professional supporting Mac, iOS and Windows users. Visit his YouTube channel at https://youtube.com/daveg65 and find and follow him on Twitter @daveg65 and on Mastodon at @daveg65@mastodon.cloud. Dr. Marty Jencius has been an Associate Professor of Counseling at Kent State University since 2000. He has over 120 publications in books, chapters, journal articles, and others, along with 200 podcasts related to counseling, counselor education, and faculty life. His technology interest led him to develop the counseling profession 'firsts,' including listservs, a web-based peer-reviewed journal, The Journal of Technology in Counseling, teaching and conferencing in virtual worlds as the founder of Counselor Education in Second Life, and podcast founder/producer of CounselorAudioSource.net and ThePodTalk.net. Currently, he produces a podcast about counseling and life questions, the Circular Firing Squad, and digital video interviews with legacies capturing the history of the counseling field. This is also co-host of The Vision ProFiles podcast. Generally, Marty is chasing the newest tech trends, which explains his interest in A.I. for teaching, research, and productivity. Marty is an active presenter and past president of the NorthEast Ohio Apple Corp (NEOAC). Jim Rea built his own computer from scratch in 1975, started programming in 1977, and has been an independent Mac developer continuously since 1984. He is the founder of ProVUE Development, and the author of Panorama X, ProVUE's ultra fast RAM based database software for the macOS platform. He's been a speaker at MacTech, MacWorld Expo and other industry conferences. Follow Jim at provue.com and via @provuejim@techhub.social on Mastodon. Support: Become a MacVoices Patron on Patreon http://patreon.com/macvoices Enjoy this episode? 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The MacVoices Live! panel breaks down Apple's study on EU DMA impacts and why App Store pricing hasn't shifted as expected. Chuck Joiner, Marty Jencius, Brian Flanigan-Arthurs, Jeff Gamet, Eric Bolden, David Ginsburg, Mark Fuccio, Web Bixby, and Jim Rea also explore reports that Tesla may add CarPlay, and what that means for Rivian, GM, and the EV market. http://traffic.libsyn.com/maclevelten/MV25302.mp3 This edition of MacVoices is supported by MacVoices Magazine, our free magazine on Flipboard. Updated daily with the best articles on the web to help you do more with your Apple gear and adjacent tech, access MacVoices Magazine content on Flipboard, on the web, or in your favorite RSS reader. Show Notes: Chapters: [0:08] Black Friday sale details from Take Control Books [0:40] Apple's DMA study and App Store pricing debate [1:30] Panel reactions to developer incentives and revenue shifts [3:08] Economist perspectives on the study's findings [4:06] Report: Tesla exploring CarPlay support [4:59] Rivian, Lucid, and broader EV ecosystem reactions [6:51] Anticipated Tesla update timeline and compatibility [9:59] Manufacturers dividing over CarPlay inclusion [11:15] EV market slowdown, discontinued models, and incentives [14:21] Tesla enters rental market; implications for CarPlay demand [17:20] CarPlay licensing questions and Apple's control [20:40] Closing notes and support options Links: Bloomberg: Tesla working to add CarPlay https://sixcolors.com/link/2025/11/bloomberg-tesla-working-to-add-carplay/ EU's Digital Markets Act Failed to Lower App Store Prices, Apple-Commissioned Study Says https://www.macrumors.com/2025/11/12/dma-no-lower-fees-study/ Guests: Web Bixby has been in the insurance business for 40 years and has been an Apple user for longer than that.You can catch up with him on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn, but prefers Bluesky. Eric Bolden is into macOS, plants, sci-fi, food, and is a rural internet supporter. You can connect with him on Twitter, by email at embolden@mac.com, on Mastodon at @eabolden@techhub.social, on his blog, Trending At Work, and as co-host on The Vision ProFiles podcast. Brian Flanigan-Arthurs is an educator with a passion for providing results-driven, innovative learning strategies for all students, but particularly those who are at-risk. He is also a tech enthusiast who has a particular affinity for Apple since he first used the Apple IIGS as a student. You can contact Brian on twitter as @brian8944. He also recently opened a Mastodon account at @brian8944@mastodon.cloud. Mark Fuccio is actively involved in high tech startup companies, both as a principle at piqsure.com, or as a marketing advisor through his consulting practice Tactics Sells High Tech, Inc. Mark was a proud investor in Microsoft from the mid-1990's selling in mid 2000, and hopes one day that MSFT will be again an attractive investment. You can contact Mark through Twitter, LinkedIn, or on Mastodon. Jeff Gamet is a technology blogger, podcaster, author, and public speaker. Previously, he was The Mac Observer's Managing Editor, and the TextExpander Evangelist for Smile. He has presented at Macworld Expo, RSA Conference, several WordCamp events, along with many other conferences. You can find him on several podcasts such as The Mac Show, The Big Show, MacVoices, Mac OS Ken, This Week in iOS, and more. Jeff is easy to find on social media as @jgamet on Twitter and Instagram, jeffgamet on LinkedIn., @jgamet@mastodon.social on Mastodon, and on his YouTube Channel at YouTube.com/jgamet. David Ginsburg is the host of the weekly podcast In Touch With iOS where he discusses all things iOS, iPhone, iPad, Apple TV, Apple Watch, and related technologies. He is an IT professional supporting Mac, iOS and Windows users. Visit his YouTube channel at https://youtube.com/daveg65 and find and follow him on Twitter @daveg65 and on Mastodon at @daveg65@mastodon.cloud. Dr. Marty Jencius has been an Associate Professor of Counseling at Kent State University since 2000. He has over 120 publications in books, chapters, journal articles, and others, along with 200 podcasts related to counseling, counselor education, and faculty life. His technology interest led him to develop the counseling profession 'firsts,' including listservs, a web-based peer-reviewed journal, The Journal of Technology in Counseling, teaching and conferencing in virtual worlds as the founder of Counselor Education in Second Life, and podcast founder/producer of CounselorAudioSource.net and ThePodTalk.net. Currently, he produces a podcast about counseling and life questions, the Circular Firing Squad, and digital video interviews with legacies capturing the history of the counseling field. This is also co-host of The Vision ProFiles podcast. Generally, Marty is chasing the newest tech trends, which explains his interest in A.I. for teaching, research, and productivity. Marty is an active presenter and past president of the NorthEast Ohio Apple Corp (NEOAC). Jim Rea built his own computer from scratch in 1975, started programming in 1977, and has been an independent Mac developer continuously since 1984. He is the founder of ProVUE Development, and the author of Panorama X, ProVUE's ultra fast RAM based database software for the macOS platform. He's been a speaker at MacTech, MacWorld Expo and other industry conferences. Follow Jim at provue.com and via @provuejim@techhub.social on Mastodon. Support: Become a MacVoices Patron on Patreon http://patreon.com/macvoices Enjoy this episode? 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Chuck Joiner and Charlotte Henry look at a report that stated that Apple TV now has the highest average IMDb scores among streamers, validating its "quality over quantity" strategy.. They look at whether that is adequate to grow the service, and the "visibility" of Apple TV. The conversation includes Apple's shifting live-sports presence, from MLB's new rights deals to Apple's costly early exit from MLS, and how future sports experiences with Vision Pro and evolving streaming "wars" will affect the future. Show Notes: Chapters: [0:00] Thanksgiving greetings and TV Plus Talk introduction [1:36] Quick impressions of The Morning Show Season 4 [2:42] Apple TV+ leads IMDb average ratings discussion [4:58] Quality vs. quantity and long-game streaming strategy [9:58] Are high ratings enough to sustain a streaming service? [14:39] Prime Video, Disney, and library growth comparisons [14:43] MLB's massive World Series audience and new rights deals [16:44] Apple's live-sports strategy and current holdings [18:51] MLS Season Pass paywall misstep and course correction [20:18] Apple's early exit from the MLS deal and "expedited divorce" [27:22] Could Vision Pro reshape how we watch live sports? [31:56] Fast-changing sports rights landscape and streaming consolidation [35:27] Where Apple sits now in the live-sports hierarchy [35:59] Closing thoughts, Charlotte's Streaming Wars book, and gift guides Links: MLB announces new 3-year rights deals with ESPN, NBC, Netflix https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-announces-media-rights-deals-with-espn-nbc-netflix AppleTV+ has the highest average IMDb score for its streaming library https://appleworld.today/2025/11/appletv-has-the-highest-average-imdb-score-for-its-streaming-library/ MLS, Apple TV to bring games outside of extra paywall in 2026: Sources https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6804777/2025/11/13/mls-apple-tv-end-paywall-season-pass/ Apple's Red Card https://puck.news/why-apple-and-mls-have-gone-their-separate-ways/ Guests: Charlotte Henry is a media junkie, covering how Apple is not just a revolutionary tech firm, but a revolutionary media firm. She is based in London, writes and broadcasts for various outlets, and is the author of Not Buying It, an examination of fake news. You can find her on her The Addition blog, her podcast, in her The Addition newsletter on substack, and on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and TikTok. Support: Become a MacVoices Patron on Patreon http://patreon.com/macvoices Enjoy this episode? Make a one-time donation with PayPal Connect: Web: http://macvoices.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/chuckjoiner http://www.twitter.com/macvoices Mastodon: https://mastodon.cloud/@chuckjoiner Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chuck.joiner MacVoices Page on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/macvoices/ MacVoices Group on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/groups/macvoice LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chuckjoiner/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chuckjoiner/ Subscribe: Audio in iTunes Video in iTunes Subscribe manually via iTunes or any podcatcher: Audio: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesrss Video: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesvideorss

Chuck delivers the November 2025 update, highlighting ongoing Holiday Gift Guides, extra episodes in the feed, and an upcoming discussion on AI with a user group. He explains the push for shorter, more focused shows and promotes the MacVoices Flipboard magazines and how-to content, as well as the monthly Support Report. Show Notes: Chapters: [0:00] November Update Introduction [0:38] Holiday Gift Guides Overview [1:47] Flipboard Magazine Benefits [2:50] Increased Content in the Feeds [3:17] AI Discussion with LIMac [3:53] Episode Length Strategy [4:29] Magazine How-To Focus [5:36] Patreon Supporters Recognition [7:32] Holiday Wrap-Up and Closing Links: The 2025 MacVoices Holiday Gift Guide master list The 2025 MacVoices Holiday Gift Guide on Flipboard for your iPhone or iPad (or even on the web) for a more graphically-oriented experience. Support: Become a MacVoices Patron on Patreon http://patreon.com/macvoices Enjoy this episode? Make a one-time donation with PayPal Connect: Web: http://macvoices.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/chuckjoiner http://www.twitter.com/macvoices Mastodon: https://mastodon.cloud/@chuckjoiner Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chuck.joiner MacVoices Page on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/macvoices/ MacVoices Group on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/groups/macvoice LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chuckjoiner/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chuckjoiner/ Subscribe: Audio in iTunes Video in iTunes Subscribe manually via iTunes or any podcatcher: Audio: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesrss Video: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesvideorss

Norbert Frassa, a tech commentator and CES veteran, shares his favorite gift picks like the versatile ShiftCam iPhone case, perfect for macro and telephoto photography. Rosemary Orchard, an Apple automation expert, highlights the Logitech Reach document camera for all your scanning needs. Meanwhile, Mike Schmitz, an independent creator, recommends the Stream Deck Neo to enhance productivity. They also touch on audio gear and a thought-provoking AI book, Co-Intelligence, that dazzles with insights. Perfect gifts for tech lovers!

Join technology commentator Norbert Frassa, automation guru Rosemary Orchard, and content creator Mike Schmitz as they share their top holiday tech picks! Norbert highlights a projection alarm clock that's perfect for both home and travel. Rosemary showcases a festive decorative lights app for year-round themes without the physical clutter. Mike recommends sleep earbuds designed for ultimate comfort and white noise during travel. They also dive into handy gadgets like open-ear headsets and USB-C lanyards, perfect for tech enthusiasts!

Join Joe Kissell, a technical author and founder of Take Control Books, Brett Terpstra, a skilled coder and app developer, and Jill McKinley, an IT expert and productivity enthusiast, as they share their top tech picks for the holidays. Highlights include essential cold-weather car gear and the versatile Hollyland Lark M2S wireless microphone. They also discuss innovative phone cases, effective cable organization solutions, and the thought-provoking book 'InShittification' by Cory Doctorow, sparking a lively conversation about tech and its future.

Join Jill McKinley, an IT professional and YouTube creator, Joe Kissell, a tech book author, and Brett Terpstra, a Mac community contributor, as they explore quirky and practical gift ideas. From the soothing Theragun massage ball to clever USB-C cable testers, their picks are both inventive and useful. Discover the benefits of the affordable BioBidet SlimTwist and versatile Kasa Matter smart plugs for smart homes. Don't miss their insights on custom Govee lighting and the handy Leatherman Arc multi-tool that every gadget lover will appreciate!

The MacVoices Live! panel breaks down rumors surrounding Tim Cook's possible retirement and what Apple's succession planning may look like. Chuck Joiner, Marty Jencius, Brian Flanigan-Arthurs, Jeff Gamet, Eric Bolden, David Ginsburg, Mark Fuccio, Web Bixby, and Jim Rea explore Apple's potential revenue tied to WeChat, the complexities of China's app ecosystem, and new App Store guideline updates aimed at stopping copycat apps. Take your personal data back with Incogni! Use code CHUCK at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: https://incogni.com/chuck Show Notes: Chapters: [0:00] Introduction and sponsor [0:28] Tim Cook retirement rumors and media reaction [1:34] Succession planning and age speculation [2:45] Leadership models and crisis planning [4:11] Corporate continuity and long-term transitions [5:41] Media interpretation and rumor cycles [6:33] Political influence and global considerations [8:14] Apple Intelligence timing and leadership change [10:06] Comparing CEOs and expectations for the next leader [11:06] Broader perspective on Apple as more than a product company [12:26] Challenges for Apple's next CEO [14:24] Historical comparisons and legacy transitions [18:29] How future CEOs will be evaluated [19:12] Generational memory of Steve Jobs [20:42] Changing context and outdated arguments [23:22] Apple and WeChat revenue speculation [25:10] Clarifications from recent reporting [26:13] Dynamics of Apple's program and limitations [27:34] Market share discussion in China [28:04] WeChat's influence and ecosystem dominance [29:03] Global mobile behavior and developing markets [31:15] App Store guideline changes targeting copycat apps [33:02] HTML5/JavaScript plugin rules [35:13] Media rush and article accuracy [35:44] Ensuring original app protection vs. clones [36:27] Why the crackdown is overdue Links: Let Tim Cook https://spyglass.org/tim-cook-retirement-apple/ Apple could make billions of dollars of commission from WeChat https://9to5mac.com/2025/11/13/apple-could-make-billions-of-dollars-of-extra-commission-from-wechat-deal/ Apple's new App Review Guidelines crack down on copycat apps https://9to5mac.com/2025/11/13/apple-tightens-app-review-guidelines-to-crack-down-on-copycat-apps/ Guests: Web Bixby has been in the insurance business for 40 years and has been an Apple user for longer than that.You can catch up with him on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn, but prefers Bluesky. Eric Bolden is into macOS, plants, sci-fi, food, and is a rural internet supporter. You can connect with him on Twitter, by email at embolden@mac.com, on Mastodon at @eabolden@techhub.social, on his blog, Trending At Work, and as co-host on The Vision ProFiles podcast. Brian Flanigan-Arthurs is an educator with a passion for providing results-driven, innovative learning strategies for all students, but particularly those who are at-risk. He is also a tech enthusiast who has a particular affinity for Apple since he first used the Apple IIGS as a student. You can contact Brian on twitter as @brian8944. He also recently opened a Mastodon account at @brian8944@mastodon.cloud. Mark Fuccio is actively involved in high tech startup companies, both as a principle at piqsure.com, or as a marketing advisor through his consulting practice Tactics Sells High Tech, Inc. Mark was a proud investor in Microsoft from the mid-1990's selling in mid 2000, and hopes one day that MSFT will be again an attractive investment. You can contact Mark through Twitter, LinkedIn, or on Mastodon. Jeff Gamet is a technology blogger, podcaster, author, and public speaker. Previously, he was The Mac Observer's Managing Editor, and the TextExpander Evangelist for Smile. He has presented at Macworld Expo, RSA Conference, several WordCamp events, along with many other conferences. You can find him on several podcasts such as The Mac Show, The Big Show, MacVoices, Mac OS Ken, This Week in iOS, and more. Jeff is easy to find on social media as @jgamet on Twitter and Instagram, jeffgamet on LinkedIn., @jgamet@mastodon.social on Mastodon, and on his YouTube Channel at YouTube.com/jgamet. David Ginsburg is the host of the weekly podcast In Touch With iOS where he discusses all things iOS, iPhone, iPad, Apple TV, Apple Watch, and related technologies. He is an IT professional supporting Mac, iOS and Windows users. Visit his YouTube channel at https://youtube.com/daveg65 and find and follow him on Twitter @daveg65 and on Mastodon at @daveg65@mastodon.cloud. Dr. Marty Jencius has been an Associate Professor of Counseling at Kent State University since 2000. He has over 120 publications in books, chapters, journal articles, and others, along with 200 podcasts related to counseling, counselor education, and faculty life. His technology interest led him to develop the counseling profession 'firsts,' including listservs, a web-based peer-reviewed journal, The Journal of Technology in Counseling, teaching and conferencing in virtual worlds as the founder of Counselor Education in Second Life, and podcast founder/producer of CounselorAudioSource.net and ThePodTalk.net. Currently, he produces a podcast about counseling and life questions, the Circular Firing Squad, and digital video interviews with legacies capturing the history of the counseling field. This is also co-host of The Vision ProFiles podcast. Generally, Marty is chasing the newest tech trends, which explains his interest in A.I. for teaching, research, and productivity. Marty is an active presenter and past president of the NorthEast Ohio Apple Corp (NEOAC). Jim Rea built his own computer from scratch in 1975, started programming in 1977, and has been an independent Mac developer continuously since 1984. He is the founder of ProVUE Development, and the author of Panorama X, ProVUE's ultra fast RAM based database software for the macOS platform. He's been a speaker at MacTech, MacWorld Expo and other industry conferences. Follow Jim at provue.com and via @provuejim@techhub.social on Mastodon. Support: Become a MacVoices Patron on Patreon http://patreon.com/macvoices Enjoy this episode? 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The discussion opens with a public service warning about the latest fire-related product recall and how refunds are being handled. Chuck Joiner, Marty Jencius, Brian Flanigan-Arthurs, Jeff Gamet, Eric Bolden, David Ginsburg, Mark Fuccio, Web Bixby, and Jim Rea then shift on Massimo's legal battle with Apple over Apple Watch health-sensor patents, the size and strategy of Massimo's business, licensing deals with other tech firms, and the broader issues of patent protection. Take your personal data back with Incogni! Use code CHUCK at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: https://incogni.com/chuck Show Notes: Chapters: [0:00] Show intro and Incogni sponsorship mention [0:39] Panel introductions and banter [5:24] Public service announcement on Belkin fire-related recalls [6:24] How the recalled Belkin stand works and refund process [7:51] Safety concerns and recall responses from Belkin [9:24] Humor around recalls and missing the "recall bingo card" [9:39] Jim Ray returns to the panel [10:20] Incogni ad read and data broker explanation [12:22] Overview of Massimo's $634 million judgment against Apple [13:35] Will Apple Watch sales be impacted and appeal expectations [14:30] Why Massimo keeps litigating and company size [15:33] Discussion of Massimo's product focus and consumer vs. medical gear [17:06] Licensing to other companies and comparisons to court outcomes [18:30] Partnerships with Google and Wear OS ecosystem [19:48] Financial perspective on Massimo and legal strategy [21:48] Importance of protecting intellectual property through litigation [22:46] Closing thoughts on patent enforcement and future appeals Links: Belkin recalls three products over fire hazards https://9to5mac.com/2025/11/13/belkin-reacall-notice-fire-hazard/ Masimo wins $634M in Apple Watch patent infringement verdict https://appleinsider.com/articles/25/11/15/masimo-awarded-634m-in-apple-watch-patent-infringement-verdict Redesigned Apple Watch Blood Oxygen feature faces new ITC scrutiny https://9to5mac.com/2025/11/14/redesigned-apple-watch-blood-oxygen-feature-faces-new-itc-scrutiny/ Guests: Web Bixby has been in the insurance business for 40 years and has been an Apple user for longer than that.You can catch up with him on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn, but prefers Bluesky. Eric Bolden is into macOS, plants, sci-fi, food, and is a rural internet supporter. You can connect with him on Twitter, by email at embolden@mac.com, on Mastodon at @eabolden@techhub.social, on his blog, Trending At Work, and as co-host on The Vision ProFiles podcast. Brian Flanigan-Arthurs is an educator with a passion for providing results-driven, innovative learning strategies for all students, but particularly those who are at-risk. He is also a tech enthusiast who has a particular affinity for Apple since he first used the Apple IIGS as a student. You can contact Brian on twitter as @brian8944. He also recently opened a Mastodon account at @brian8944@mastodon.cloud. Mark Fuccio is actively involved in high tech startup companies, both as a principle at piqsure.com, or as a marketing advisor through his consulting practice Tactics Sells High Tech, Inc. Mark was a proud investor in Microsoft from the mid-1990's selling in mid 2000, and hopes one day that MSFT will be again an attractive investment. You can contact Mark through Twitter, LinkedIn, or on Mastodon. Jeff Gamet is a technology blogger, podcaster, author, and public speaker. Previously, he was The Mac Observer's Managing Editor, and the TextExpander Evangelist for Smile. He has presented at Macworld Expo, RSA Conference, several WordCamp events, along with many other conferences. You can find him on several podcasts such as The Mac Show, The Big Show, MacVoices, Mac OS Ken, This Week in iOS, and more. Jeff is easy to find on social media as @jgamet on Twitter and Instagram, jeffgamet on LinkedIn., @jgamet@mastodon.social on Mastodon, and on his YouTube Channel at YouTube.com/jgamet. David Ginsburg is the host of the weekly podcast In Touch With iOS where he discusses all things iOS, iPhone, iPad, Apple TV, Apple Watch, and related technologies. He is an IT professional supporting Mac, iOS and Windows users. Visit his YouTube channel at https://youtube.com/daveg65 and find and follow him on Twitter @daveg65 and on Mastodon at @daveg65@mastodon.cloud. Dr. Marty Jencius has been an Associate Professor of Counseling at Kent State University since 2000. He has over 120 publications in books, chapters, journal articles, and others, along with 200 podcasts related to counseling, counselor education, and faculty life. His technology interest led him to develop the counseling profession 'firsts,' including listservs, a web-based peer-reviewed journal, The Journal of Technology in Counseling, teaching and conferencing in virtual worlds as the founder of Counselor Education in Second Life, and podcast founder/producer of CounselorAudioSource.net and ThePodTalk.net. Currently, he produces a podcast about counseling and life questions, the Circular Firing Squad, and digital video interviews with legacies capturing the history of the counseling field. This is also co-host of The Vision ProFiles podcast. Generally, Marty is chasing the newest tech trends, which explains his interest in A.I. for teaching, research, and productivity. Marty is an active presenter and past president of the NorthEast Ohio Apple Corp (NEOAC). Jim Rea built his own computer from scratch in 1975, started programming in 1977, and has been an independent Mac developer continuously since 1984. He is the founder of ProVUE Development, and the author of Panorama X, ProVUE's ultra fast RAM based database software for the macOS platform. He's been a speaker at MacTech, MacWorld Expo and other industry conferences. Follow Jim at provue.com and via @provuejim@techhub.social on Mastodon. Support: Become a MacVoices Patron on Patreon http://patreon.com/macvoices Enjoy this episode? 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