
When Shift Happens Podcast
I sit down every week with the most based people in crypto.
My goal is to create a safe space to have the deepest and most real conversations with the biggest builders and investors in the industry, as well as to help educate the mainstream people, politicians, celebrities and big Web2 entrepreneurs coming into Web3.
Hopefully this platform does its little part in onboarding as many people as possible into the incredible world of opportunities that Web 3 offers, while staying true to crypto’s core values and ethos.
Thank you for watching.
Latest episodes

Aug 31, 2024 • 1h 23min
E85: Hashed Founding Partner: Why The World Needs To Study The Korean Crypto Market
Ryan Sungho Kim, a Partner at Hashed, one of Asia's largest Web3 VC firms, shares insights on building Korea’s vibrant crypto community. He discusses the blend of K-pop and anime with cryptocurrency, enhancing global connections. Kim dives into investment strategies for the volatile market, emphasizing the challenges of navigating crypto cycles. He predicts a bull market ahead, while acknowledging the ongoing importance of real-world applications and the role of memecoins in shaping the future landscape.

Aug 22, 2024 • 1h 23min
E84: 9GAG Founder: How To Turn Crypto Losses Into Lifechanging Wins
Ray Chan is the CoFounder and CEO of 9GAG, a massively popular online platform for sharing humorous GIFs, memes and videos. He is also the CoFounder and CEO of Memeland, a Web3 venture studio that aims to build social products around memes, creativity, community engagement, and NFTs
Ray shares his journey from building the biggest meme company in the world, creating and cultivating a community from 0 to 200 million users, attracting the masses to Web3 with MemeLand, and his predictions for the next big trends in the industry. We also go deep in his young son's passing and how it changed his perspective on everything in life.
In this conversation, we dive into:
- Building the biggest meme company in the world
- Chasing Trends in Crypto
- The Impact of losing a young Son
- The rise of 9GAG
- MemeLand Vision
- Pudgy Penguins
- Being part of Y combinator 2012 with Coinbase
- Prediction for the Next 12 Months
And much more!
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PARTNERS
🚀 Jupiter is the most used Decentralized Exchange in Crypto and the largest DEX by volume on Solana.
https://jup.ag/
🐧 Pudgy Penguins is a web3-born brand that fosters creativity, freedom, and community.
Join the huddle: https://pudgypenguins.com/
♾️ Astar Network is a Web3 hub for innovation, offering tools and a blockchain platform for decentralized apps and smart contracts. It invites users to innovate and connect in a community-driven ecosystem, transforming ideas into reality with its robust infrastructure.
https://astar.network/
🤖 SwissBorg is Europe’s top trusted crypto app offering user-centric investment platforms and DeFi asset management with reliability and innovation.
Sign up with this link and earn up to €100 : https://join.swissborg.com/r/kevinH6E7
♾ Coinsilium provides vital funding and expert advice to Web3 and AI-powered early-stage technology companies.
https://www.coinsilium.com
🍷 Dvin is building the operating system for the $100 billion wine industry.
https://www.dvinlabs.com/
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DISCLAIMER
The info contained herein is for informational purposes only. Nothing herein shall be construed to be financial, legal, or tax advice. The content of this video is solely the opinions of the speakers who are not a licensed financial advisor or registered investment advisor. Trading cryptocurrencies poses considerable risk of loss. The speakers do not guarantee any particular outcome.
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0:00 Intro
1:40 Please Like And Subscribe
2:02 Our Partners
2:26 The Internets Attention Span
4:43 Trend Chasing
6:03 From Happiness to Purpose
6:51 What is Happiness?
7:45 Who is Ray Chan?
8:10 Life Before 9GAG
10:03 Boomers in Crypto
11:31 Youth in Crypto
12:48 “Winners Never Quit”
16:31 What Makes a Great Meme
17:25 Development of Memes
19:17 DVIN Partnership
19:40 Focus Shift Moment for 9GAG
22:55 Joining Y Combinator
25:34 Attention is the Scarcest Resource
27:57 Impact of Losing a Son
30:44 Greatness comes from Suffering
34:18 Message to Those Suffering
36:46 Pain, Memory, and Healing
40:25 Rise of 9GAG
42:58 Crypto Realization
50:04 Turning Misfortune into Fortune
54:43 Pay to Learn and Learn by Doing
57:55 MemeLand
1:00:34 MemeLand Ultimate Vision
1:03:53 Pudgy Penguins
1:09:44 NFTs
1:11:47 Working with Tangent
1:13:41 Respect for Crypto Teams
1:15:46 Advice to Past Self
1:18:58 Prediction for the next 12 Months

Aug 15, 2024 • 1h 1min
E83: XBorg Founder: How Crypto Gaming Will Change Your Life
Louis Régis is the founder and CEO of XBorg, the world’s largest player identity protocol in gaming.
Louis shares his journey from trading to building in the crypto space, offering insights into the challenges of trading, the truth about crypto exchanges, and his predictions for the next big trends in the industry.
We also explore how XBorg is revolutionizing the gaming industry by creating the "online CV" for gamers, merging digital identities with blockchain technology.
Join us as we discuss HOW TO BRING MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ON-CHAIN THROUGH GAMING, based on Louis's experiences and innovative approach in the crypto and gaming markets.
In this conversation, we dive into:
- Escaping the 9-to-5
- Trading Success
- How to Make Money Trading Crypto
- Building Gaming Protocol XBorg
- From Hospitality to Crypto
- Online Identity Importance
- Social Impact of Crypto Trading
- Prediction for the Next 12 Months
And much more!
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PARTNERS
🚀 Jupiter is the most used Decentralized Exchange in Crypto and the largest DEX by volume on Solana.
https://jup.ag/
🐧 Pudgy Penguins is a web3-born brand that fosters creativity, freedom, and community.
Join the huddle: https://pudgypenguins.com/
♾️ Astar Network is a Web3 hub for innovation, offering tools and a blockchain platform for decentralized apps and smart contracts. It invites users to innovate and connect in a community-driven ecosystem, transforming ideas into reality with its robust infrastructure.
https://astar.network/
🤖 SwissBorg is Europe’s top trusted crypto app offering user-centric investment platforms and DeFi asset management with reliability and innovation.
Sign up with this link and earn up to €100 : https://join.swissborg.com/r/kevinH6E7
♾ Coinsilium provides vital funding and expert advice to Web3 and AI-powered early-stage technology companies.
https://www.coinsilium.com
🍷 Dvin is building the operating system for the $100 billion wine industry.
https://www.dvinlabs.com/
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Follow Louis Régis 👇
• Twitter: https://x.com/louisregis
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/louisregis
Follow XBorg 👇
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DISCLAIMER
The info contained herein is for informational purposes only. Nothing herein shall be construed to be financial, legal, or tax advice. The content of this video is solely the opinions of the speakers who are not a licensed financial advisor or registered investment advisor. Trading cryptocurrencies poses considerable risk of loss. The speakers do not guarantee any particular outcome.
#Entrepreneurship #Crypto #howtogetrich
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Timestamps
0:00 Introduction
1:26 Our Valued Sponsors
02:14 Introducing Louis Régis
03:40 From Hospitality to Crypto
05:48 Escaping the 9-to-5
07:26 Leverage: Code and Media
09:19 Investing in In-House Teams
10:39 Trading Success
14:13 How to Make Money Trading Crypto
17:00 Meme Coins
20:27 Meme Coins: Lottery of Crypto
25:44 Primary VS Secondary Markets
27:32 Primary Market Insights and Investments
29:58 Dvin Labs Partnership
30:21 Building a Gaming Protocol
33:10 Social Impact of Crypto Trading
37:57 Trading and Building Simultaneously
41:10 What is XBorg?
42:45 Online Identity Importance
45:18 Holy Grail for XBorg
46:10 Inside the Crypto Token Listing Game
53:33 KOL Frenzy in Crypto
58:27 Prediction for the Next 12 Months

Aug 9, 2024 • 1h 32min
E82: Pendle Co-founder: The New Way to Trade Crypto in 2024
TN Lee is the founder of Pendle Finance - a DeFi platform that enables users to tokenize and trade future yield on Ethereum assets.
Pendle has shown remarkable expansion since the beginning of the year, elevating its TVL from $250 million to over $7 billion in just a few months.
In this conversation, we dive into:
- Analyzing Market Prices
- Getting into Crypto via Kyber
- Starting and failing a Cold Brew Business
- What is Pendle?
- Failures & Ventures Within Crypto
- Culinary Business in Peru & Japan
- Trading Interest Rates
- Building Without Precedence
- $7 Billion in TVL
- Predictions for the Next 12 Months
And much more!
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PARTNERS
🚀 Jupiter is the most used Decentralized Exchange in Crypto and the largest DEX by volume on Solana.
https://jup.ag/
🐧 Pudgy Penguins is a web3-born brand that fosters creativity, freedom, and community.
Join the huddle: https://pudgypenguins.com/
♾️ Astar Network is a Web3 hub for innovation, offering tools and a blockchain platform for decentralized apps and smart contracts. It invites users to innovate and connect in a community-driven ecosystem, transforming ideas into reality with its robust infrastructure.
https://astar.network/
🤖 SwissBorg is Europe’s top trusted crypto app offering user-centric investment platforms and DeFi asset management with reliability and innovation.
Sign up with this link and earn up to €100 : https://join.swissborg.com/r/kevinH6E7
♾ Coinsilium provides vital funding and expert advice to Web3 and AI-powered early-stage technology companies.
https://www.coinsilium.com
🍷 Dvin is building the operating system for the $100 billion wine industry.
https://www.dvinlabs.com/
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DISCLAIMER
The info contained herein is for informational purposes only. Nothing herein shall be construed to be financial, legal, or tax advice. The content of this video is solely the opinions of the speakers who are not a licensed financial advisor or registered investment advisor. Trading cryptocurrencies poses considerable risk of loss. The speakers do not guarantee any particular outcome.
#Entrepreneurship #Crypto #howtogetrich
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Video Chapters
0:00 Who is TN Lee?
1:29 Our Valued Sponsors
2:16 Analyzing Market Prices
5:08 Theory of Attention
8:12 Protocol Positioning
11:16 Getting into Crypto via Kyber
17:41 Leaving Kyber Lessons
20:29 Business Start-ups
24:34 Decentralized Exchange Realization
26:34 Knowing When to Give Up
29:29 Dvin Labs Partnership
30:19 Business Mindset Realization
37:36 Mindset VS Resources
38:48 Surrounded By Success
41:08 Managing Family Finance & Relationships
45:23 What is Pendle?
46:43 Trading Interest Rates
49:06 Building Without Precedence
49:46 Anchor Protocol
50:46 Failures & Ventures Within Crypto
53:55 Failure is Necessary
57:20 Launching Pendle V2
1:00:24 5 Months Ago VS Now
1:02:30 $7 Billion in TVL
1:04:27 Understanding Pendle Token System
1:10:07 Servicing the ‘Big Players’
1:11:47 Potential of Pendle
1:14:42 Ethena
1:17:08 Monad
1:20:22 The Real Product Is the Community
1:21:37 EtherFi
1:22:37 Business Based on Strengths
1:25:26 Culinary Business in Peru & Japan
1:31:32 Predictions for the Next 12 Months

Aug 2, 2024 • 1h 58min
E81: Tangent Co-Founder: How to Get Rich in Crypto (without getting lucky)
Jason is a full-time crypto native angel investor and the Co-Founder of Tangent, an evergreen prop investment firm that supports founders in both early-stage and liquid crypto markets.
He is also the Host at the @theblockcrunchpodcast and was previously a General Partner at Spartan Capital, one of Asia’s first institutional crypto funds. He co-led investments in over 80 companies and helped scale the Spartan fund from $9M in to $500M in Assets under management.
In this conversation, we dive into:
- Discovering Crypto
- Biggest Loss Ever
- How to get Rich in Crypto without Luck: key principles
- Dunning-Kruger Effect in Crypto
- Unpopular Crypto Beliefs
And much more!
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PARTNERS
🚀 Jupiter is the most used Decentralized Exchange in Crypto and the largest DEX by volume on Solana.
https://jup.ag/
🐧 Pudgy Penguins is a web3-born brand that fosters creativity, freedom, and community.
Join the huddle: https://pudgypenguins.com/
♾️ Astar Network is a Web3 hub for innovation, offering tools and a blockchain platform for decentralized apps and smart contracts. It invites users to innovate and connect in a community-driven ecosystem, transforming ideas into reality with its robust infrastructure.
https://astar.network/
🤖 SwissBorg is Europe’s top trusted crypto app offering user-centric investment platforms and DeFi asset management with reliability and innovation.
Sign up with this link and earn up to €100 : https://join.swissborg.com/r/kevinH6E7
♾ Coinsilium provides vital funding and expert advice to Web3 and AI-powered early-stage technology companies.
https://www.coinsilium.com
🍷 Dvin is building the operating system for the $100 billion wine industry.
https://www.dvinlabs.com/
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FOLLOW JASON CHOI👇
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DISCLAIMER
The info contained herein is for informational purposes only. Nothing herein shall be construed to be financial, legal, or tax advice. The content of this video is solely the opinions of the speakers who are not a licensed financial advisor or registered investment advisor. Trading cryptocurrencies poses considerable risk of loss. The speakers do not guarantee any particular outcome.
#Entrepreneurship #Crypto #howtogetrich
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Timestamps
0:00 Introduction
1:24 Our Valued Sponsors
2:11 Who is Jason
3:13 Moving to Singapore
5:42 Growing Up in Hong-Kong Vs USA
6:56 Interning at Bridgewater
9:27 Personal Growth
10:40 Discovering Crypto
13:41 Sticking with Crypto
14:56 Starting a Crypto Podcast
19:00 Networking on Steroids
21:31 Joining The Spartan Group
23:46 The Spartan Experience
30:03 Dvin Sponsorship
30:28 Resilience After a Huge Loss
33:14 Financial Advice
36:32 Profit-Taking Rules
41:59 Big Blow-Ups this Cycle
43:27 Favorite Books
46:00 How to get Rich Without Getting Lucky
47:25 Narratives VS Traction
49:41 Fundamentals in Crypto?
53:01 Networking = Wealth
54:27 Compounding Investments
59:54 Risk Adjustment for Volatility
1:05:07 Don’t Bet What You Don’t Have
1:07:10 Self-Comparison Curse
1:10:21 Leverage Does Not Equal Genius
1:14:33 Dunning-Kruger Effect in Crypto
1:17:22 Crypto Running on Narratives
1:19:03 Spotting Crypto Narratives
1:21:21 Paying Forward in Crypto
1:27:57 Root Causes of Anxiety
1:30:42 Venture Investing Issues
1:32:55 Apps VS Protocols
1:36:57 Optimistic VC Investing
1:38:53 Meme Coins
1:40:15 9GAG & Meme Land
1:46:31 Beginners Coming into Crypto
1:48:40 Ethena
1:51:30 Sei Network
1:52:50 Farcaster
1:54:22 Unpopular Crypto Beliefs
1:55:56 Predictions for the Next 12 Months

Jul 26, 2024 • 1h 59min
E80: Thorchain Founder: Using Memes to Upgrade & Accelerate Humanity
As a founder, engineer, and explorer, JP Thor challenges the limits of human potential with his boundless curiosity.
JP continually reinvents himself while exploring the social, physical, and memetic boundaries of his world.
In this conversation, we dive into:
- Teleportation via Starlink
- How JP made $400M in 7 years with Crypto
- Why JP Bought a Helicopter
- Memetic and Genetic Repository
- How Important is Money?
- Pioneering Space with Robots
- Importance of a Personal Brand
- How Meme Coins Grow
- Thinking Bigger Than Just Earth
- Upgrading Humanity Through Memes
- What is Vultisig?
& much more!
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SPONSORS
🚀 Jupiter is the most used Decentralized Exchange in Crypto and the largest DEX by volume on Solana.
https://jup.ag/
♾️ Astar Network is a Web3 hub for innovation, offering tools and a blockchain platform for decentralized apps and smart contracts. It invites users to innovate and connect in a community-driven ecosystem, transforming ideas into reality with its robust infrastructure.
https://astar.network/
🤖 SwissBorg is Europe’s top trusted crypto app offering user-centric investment platforms and DeFi asset management with reliability and innovation.
💰 Earn up to €100 and be eligible for multiple airdrops by Registering to Swissborg via the following link: https://join.swissborg.com/r/kevinH6E7
♾ Coinsilium provides vital funding and expert advice to Web3 and AI-powered early-stage technology companies.
https://www.coinsilium.com
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DISCLAIMER
The info contained herein is for informational purposes only. Nothing herein shall be construed to be financial, legal, or tax advice. The content of this video is solely the opinions of the speakers who are not a licensed financial advisor or registered investment advisor. Trading cryptocurrencies poses considerable risk of loss. The speakers do not guarantee any particular outcome.
#Entrepreneurship #Crypto
Contents of the Video
0:00 Who is JP Thor?
1:48 Our Valued Sponsors
2:52 Maximum Output Maximum Input
4:22 Thinking Fast
6:01 Chief Energy Officer
7:53 A Leader of Your Ideas
9:31 Naïve to Confidence
11:30 Embracing Creativity
14:51 Why Buy a Helicopter
17:14 Miracle of Flight
19:01 Potential of Humans
20:01 Teleportation via Starlink
24:02 Getting into Crypto
27:24 Decentralized Liquidity Focus
27:58 Launching THORChain
32:17 THORChain Growth Through Memes
34:25 Predicting Memes from Norse Mythology
37:15 Complex VS Simple Memes
38:19 Opinion = Identity
39:18 Memetic and Genetic Repository
42:12 Importance of a Personal Brand
44:53 Limitation of Staying Anonymous
46:23 Building in Public VS Private
50:18 Building an Investable Brand
53:24 Business Practicality
57:04 Direct Management
58:12 Children’s Memetic Repository
1:00:26 Here to Create, Not Consume
1:02:12 Zombifying Humanity
1:05:12 Memes for Output, not Consumption
1:06:47 Upgrading Humanity Through Memes
1:09:18 Bitcoin is Irreplaceable
1:11:02 Measuring Value with Entropy
1:12:57 How Meme Coins Grow
1:16:59 How Businesses Grow
1:24:04 What is Vultisig?
1:28:03 How Important is Money?
1:31:17 Rediscovering Crypto Drive
1:32:55 Post-Wealth Mentality
1:35:00 Millions on Music Festival Arena
1:36:55 Scarcity of Time and Efforts
1:38:47 Thinking Bigger Than Just Earth
1:42:53 Pioneering Space with Robots
1:51:56 Advice to Your Younger Self
1:53:28 Finding a Partner
1:57:32 Prediction for the Next 5 Years

Jul 16, 2024 • 1h 53min
E79: Meow from Jupiter: The Future Of Money And Communities
Meow is the CoFounder at Jupiter Exchange, the most used decentralized Exchange in the world. He is a true O.G. in the crypto scene, with a wealth of experience as the lead advisor at Instadapp, Kyber, and Blockfolio.
In this conversation, we dive into:
-The importance of failure
-"Going with the flow" in Crypto
-Money is energy
-Crypto as an insiders game
-PPP
-Crypto Cycles
-How to be resilient
-The Zero expectations philosophy
-MoonBoys and Attention theory
-Meme coins vs Utility coins
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🤖 SwissBorg is Europe’s top trusted crypto app offering user-centric investment platforms and DeFi asset management with reliability and innovation.
♾ Coinsilium provides vital funding and expert advice to Web3 and AI-powered early-stage technology companies.
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♾️ Astar Network is a Web3 hub for innovation, offering tools and a blockchain platform for decentralized apps and smart contracts. It invites users to innovate and connect in a community-driven ecosystem, transforming ideas into reality with its robust infrastructure.
https://astar.network/
🔘 Mantle Network enhances dApp development with Ethereum's security, low fees, and quick transactions through innovative layer-2 technology. Users can stake ETH for mETH, contributing to a transparent, community-driven ecosystem governed by $MNT token holders, fostering innovation and collaboration.
https://www.mantle.xyz
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Contents of the Video
00:00 Who is Meow?
01:43 Our Valued Sponsors
02:29 High Expectations is Low Resilience
05:10 Going with the Flow
06:18 Having a Vision and Plan
08:52 Importance of Failure
14:09 How to Use Failure as a Lesson
18:56 Importance of Bad Decision Making
21:41 Balance in Human Ecosystem
26:59 Money is Energy
28:32 What is Energy?
30:35 Money Literacy
34:19 Money Freedom
38:33 Crypto as an Insiders Game
40:39 PVP Within the Environment
43:59 What is PPP?
45:30 Finite and Infinite Games
48:23 Crypto Cycles on PPP Games
50:03 PVP to PPP Mindset
51:41 Resilience Lesson
56:56 Zero Expectations Philosophy
01:00:34 MoonBoys and Attention Theory
01:03:01 Learning from Market Cycles
01:06:24 Meme Coins
01:09:48 Meme Coins Vs Utility Coins
01:11:01 Fundamentals of Meme Coins
01:13:12 Religion is Technically a Meme
01:19:52 Starting a Meme Coin Experiment
01:21:19 Helping Coins Launch (Irene)
01:23:21 Narratives Vs Strategy
01:26:09 Importance of Patience
01:28:48 Power of Decentralized Finance
01:30:40 Global Unified Markets
01:34:42 “Don’t be Mid”
01:36:59 Dealing with FUD
01:39:48 Purpose and Motivation
01:42:23 Advice to My Past Self
01:43:26 Being a “Social Misfit”
01:46:17 Turning Point to Finding Yourself
01:47:35 Prediction for the Next 12 Months

Jul 4, 2024 • 1h 2min
E78: The Sandbox Co-Founder: How Crypto Will Make Gamers Rich In 2024
Sebastien Borget, Co-Founder of The Sandbox, discusses challenges in traditional gaming, Web3 gaming barriers, NFT trends, and the future plans of The Sandbox. They also cover topics like NFT risks, meme coins vs social tokens, and the Bored Ape Community.

Jun 29, 2024 • 1h 15min
E77: Luca Netz: My Blueprint To Building The Crypto Empire
Luca Netz is the Owner and CEO of Pudgy Penguins a Web3-born brand that fosters creativity, freedom, and community.
This is Luca's second time on the podcast, in the first episode we covered how he went from being a 10th-grade dropout to making his first million selling fake chains on Shopify.
In this episode, we dove into Luca's "Blueprint" for transforming Pudgy Penguins from a renowned crypto brand into a global powerhouse on par with Apple and Disney.
We also go through many other topics you don't want to miss:
-Pudgy Penguins Walmart deal and it's impact on brand recognition
-The Importance of Community and Culture
-Pudgy's Social Media Takeover
-How to maximize airdrop impact
-How to build an infrastructure for mass adoption
-The X-Factors of market cycles
-Why linking physical products to digital NFTs is a smart move
-Plans to acquire and build a Layer 2 Solution
-The truth behind meme coins
-Luca's message to the Pudgy Penguins community
And much more!
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SPONSORS
🚀 Jupiter is the most used Decentralized Exchange in Crypto and the largest DEX by volume on Solana.
https://jup.ag/
♾️ Astar Network is a Web3 hub for innovation, offering tools and a blockchain platform for decentralized apps and smart contracts. It invites users to innovate and connect in a community-driven ecosystem, transforming ideas into reality with its robust infrastructure.
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Chapters
00:00 Introduction
01:36 Jupiter, Mantle, Astar Network Partnerships
02:23 Walmart X Pudgy Penguins
07:25 Selling 1,000,000 Units
10:22 Building Infrastructure for Mass Adoption
12:35 Acquiring An L2 To Reach The Next Level
14:29 Social Media and Digital Strategy
16:07 Pudgy Penguins via Social Networks
17:48 Overpass IP
20:17 Distribution Problem
21:20 X-Factors of Market Cycles
22:28 Maximizing Potential
27:27 Pudgy Penguin Market Journey
33:41 Avoiding Arrogance
37:33 Building an Inclusive Community
42:38 Maximizing Airdrop Impact
50:10 Strategizing Airdrops for Penguins
51:26 Expanding Pudgy Penguin Holdings
54:34 Timing the Layer Two Launch
56:34 Attracting Big Brains to Pudgy
59:18 Kickstarting NFTs with Token Launches
01:01: 53 Meme Coins
01:06:45 LayerZero
01:07:45 Doodles
01:08:00 Ordinal Builders
01:08:47 Execution Risk
01:09:50 Leverage Unlocks NFT Potential
01:12:03 Message to the Pudgy Community

Jun 20, 2024 • 2h 18min
E76: Raoul Pal - How To Not F*ck Up The Crypto Goldrush
Raoul Pal is the Co-Founder and CEO of Real Vision and the Founder of Global Macro Investors.
Raoul candidly opens up about dealing with massive FUD in early 2023, the impact it had on him, and how he not only overcame the FUD but also doubled down on personal branding and ended up being one of the few ones who publicly went all in SOL when it wasn’t a consensus trade last year.
We also go through many other topics:
- how the crypto industry is literally built to make you “fuck this up”
- where the big blow ups might come from this cycle
- why some NFTs are about to go Bananas and why Beeple and Xcopy are the alpha
- why Raoul is now more interested by NFTs than by meme coins
- what’s the “next SOL”
- what could make Raoul change his mind on $SOL
- why people in their early 30ies are f*cked and why everyone has “2 jobs” today
- why diversification is dead
- Crypto, the super massive black hole!
- the Banana Zone (of course)
And much much more!
This conversation is a masterclass on how to build wealth in crypto over the next 8 years (not 8 weeks!) and on how everyone can benefit from this truly generational wealth building opportunity!
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00:00:00 Introduction
00:01:36 JUP / MNT / ASTR Partnerships
00:02:48 Raoul's Mission
00:05:01 Make your own Choice
00:05:36 Who is Raoul Pal?
00:06:31 Getting into Macro
00:09:46 Taking the Leap
00:11:33 Shares VS Cash
00:13:17 Running a Hedge Fund
00:16:33 Being Business Wired
00:18:39 Founding Real Vision
00:23:13 Explaining the 12% Hurdle Rate
00:25:46 Wage Deflation
00:27:32 The Retirement Crisis
00:29:03 How to Retire
00:31:09 Understanding Liquidity Cycles
32:50 “Number Go Up”
43:06 Self-Custody in Crypto
44:27 Secular Trends
44:21 Crypto VS NASDAQ
49:30 Thinking Exponentially
52:14 Diversification is Dead
53:48 Concentrated Bets
56:18 The Great Solana Bet
01:03:10 Shifting Crypto Narratives
01:07:56 Why you should be paranoid
01:11:28 Cycle Transitioning
01:14:08 Making Crypto a Living
01:17:48 What will be this cycle's LUNA moment?
01:23:00 Leverage Risks
01:25:09 Learning by Doing
01:27:18 2020-2021 Cycle Lessons
01:28:50 Dealing with Massive FUD
01:32:01 Coping with Stress
01:36:58 Why Personal Branding is key
01:41:38 Power of Memes
01:43:46 “Don’t F*** This Up”
01:46:37 Why Crypto is a $100 Trillion asset class
01:50:59 Meme Coins VS Social Tokens
01:52:20 Are NFTs Dead?
01:57:24 Luca Netz & Pudgy Penguins
01:59:39 The Magic of this Time
02:03:00 Banana Zone
02:06:17 Meme Coins
02:08:25 What's 'the next SOL?
02:13:30 Raoul's favorite Projects and Teams
02:14:42 Why Raoul has no Children
02:16:26 Next 12 Months Prediction