
storytelling with data podcast
Rid your world of ineffective graphs and mediocre presentations, one exploding 3D pie chart at a time! The storytelling with data podcast from bestselling author, speaker and workshop guru, Cole Nussbaumer Knaflic covers topics related to data storytelling, better presentations, and all things data viz.
Latest episodes

Jan 21, 2021 • 59min
storytelling with data: #39 Better Data Visualizations with Jon Schwabish
Cole talks with Jon Schwabish about his latest book, Better Data Visualizations. Tune in to hear about Jon’s goal to make people aware of a wider array of graphs, which less common graphs he wishes people would use more, his favorite Sankey diagram, and how Luxembourg highlighted an important lesson about maps. Jon also addresses viewer questions on fact-checking, communicating qualitative data, and his work on racial equity in data visualization, including things we should all be thinking about when we make graphs. Pre-order: Better Data Visualizations: A Guide for Scholars, Researchers, and Wonks Other books by Jon: Better Presentations, Elevate the Debate Follow Jon: @jschwabish | www.policyviz.com | Data@Urban Other books mentioned: Storyteller’s Secret, Resonate, Slide:ology, Presentation Zen, How Charts Lie, Avoiding Data Pitfalls People mentioned: Kim Rees, Ann Emery, RJ Andrews, Moritz Stefaner, Nadieh Bremer, Pedro Cruz Jon's 2014 article “An Economist’s Guide to Visualizing Data” Jon’s projects: The Graphic Continuum, One Chart at a Time video series Exploratory vs. explanatory: Form and Function: Let Your Audience’s Needs Drive Your Data Visualization Choices Sankey diagram from Reddit: How 52 Ninth-Graders Spell Camouflage Interactive Sankey from The Pudding: The Gyllenhaal Experiment Medium article: "Word Clouds: We Can’t Make Them Go Away, So Let’s Improve Them" by Marti Hearst Research resource: Our World In Data Medium article: "Applying Racial Equity Awareness in Data Visualization" by Jon Schwabish and Alice Feng

Jan 11, 2021 • 43min
storytelling with data: #38 hi, my name is...
Being able to introduce yourself eloquently and in a way that captures and keeps your intended audience’s attention is a hugely important thing. Yet, we don’t commonly devote a lot of time or thought to planning how we do this. In this episode, Cole shares the process that she and the storytelling with data team used to create their intros, plus shares the steps you can use to form your own inspirational introduction. She also addresses listener questions on dot plots, the audience constraint, and tips for slowing down when presenting. Mentioned Links: Workshops: storytellingwithdata.com/custom-workshops Worksheet: the Big Idea worksheet Exercise: storyboard YOUR project Article: the structure(s) of story Exercise: craft your intro Challenge: let’s plot with a dot Article: what is a dot plot? Resource: SWD chart guide Podcast: it’s for THEM Conversation: slowing it down Video: presenting data Ask a question: start a community conversation Current challenge: visualize your resume Live podcast with Jon Schwabish: register Virtual event (1/26): become a data viz superstar Go premium! premium community membership

Dec 9, 2020 • 1h 9min
storytelling with data: #37 it's for THEM
How can you get people’s attention on what you want to share and drive the action you seek? Carefully consider your audience. In this episode, Cole dives deep on audience, discussing ways to identify who they are and prioritize their needs, strategies for approaching the challenging but common case of the mixed audience, and tips for getting to know an unfamiliar audience. She also addresses listener questions on grad school, gauging data storytelling success, and innovation in data visualization. LINKS: Book: storytelling with data: Let’s Practice! Exercises: community.storytellingwithdata.com/exercises Worksheet: the Big Idea worksheet Webinars: storytellingwithdata.com/webinars Conversation: contemplating grad school Conversation: efficacy of data storytelling Challenge: xenographics Challenge: critique then (re)create Virtual event (12/14): member makeovers Go premium! premium community membership

Nov 10, 2020 • 23min
storytelling with data: #36 presenting data
When communicating data in a meeting or presentation, YOU play a very important role. How can you talk about your data in a way that makes others want to listen? Tune in to this special episode, excerpted from a recent virtual event, about presenting data. Cole shares practical tips for rehearsing aloud, planning how you’ll start and end, harnessing the power of your voice, and the important role of feedback for refining your presentation skills. LINKS: Become an SWD community premium member Video: presenting data More resources at storytellingwithdata.com

Oct 28, 2020 • 55min
storytelling with data: #35 a conversation with Maarten Lambrechts
A xenographic is simply a chart type not seen before, and in this episode, Cole talks with data journalist and designer Maarten Lambrechts, creator of xeno.graphics. They discuss having an open mindset for weird graphs, pushing boundaries to elevate graphicacy, and the value of bringing strange data visualizations mainstream. Tune in to also hear about Maarten’s experience as a data visualization freelancer, the important role of the online portfolio, and how a relentless focus on the end user helps drive smart data visualization design. LINKS: Follow Maarten: @maartenzam | maartenlambrechts.com Explore: xeno.graphics Tools: RAWGraphs, R (ggplot), Javascript, D3 Graphics: NYT graphics, Washington Post, Financial Times, FiveThirtyEight, Die Zeit, Berliner Morgenpost Upcoming conferences: IEEE VIS (Oct 25-30), S-H-O-W (Nov 27-28)

Sep 24, 2020 • 55min
storytelling with data: #34 a conversation with John Zeratsky
With days defined by distraction, how can we solve big problems and make time for what matters? Cole talks with technology designer and author of Sprint and Make Time, John Zeratsky, about the power of focus for getting things done. John details the design sprint process perfected at Google Ventures—detailing the value of “working alone, together” to generate better ideas, the benefits of prototyping and testing with real customers, particularly when the stakes are high, and much more. He also shares patterns uncovered from successful sprints that can be applied to everyday work. Tune in to learn why we shouldn’t rely on willpower to focus, how to create barriers to distraction, and the satisfaction you can reap by proactively designing your day. MENTIONED LINKS: Follow John: @jazer | johnzeratsky.com Book: Sprint: How to Solve Big Problems & Test New Ideas in Just Five Days Book: Make Time: How to Focus on What Matters Every Day Online course: The Official Sprint Bootcamp (discount code SWD20)

Aug 20, 2020 • 53min
storytelling with data: #33 the power of drawing with Catherine Madden
“Creativity is not stopping at the 1st or 2nd or 3rd iteration. Let’s create a ton of spaghetti and throw it at the wall—eventually something will stick.” Cole talks with illustrator, designer, and facilitator, Catherine Madden, about the power of drawing to think, define, generate ideas, collaborate, and ensure all voices are heard. Catherine shares tactics that get everyone sketching, from doodle birds to Sh*tty First Draft Parties, and discusses why pencils are on her forbidden materials list. They also chat about the value of the shared display, plus more pragmatic tips and tools for effectively facilitating in a virtual setting. LINKS: Follow Catherine: @catmule (Twitter) | @catmule (Instagram) | catherinemadden.com Learn with Catherine: catherinemadden.com/learn Tutorial: how to display your iPad in Zoom Video: displaying webcam so iPad is not the shared display Select images from Catherine (including visual thinking download) Tools mentioned: Paper, Mural Course: Foundations of Data Equity

Jun 25, 2020 • 50min
storytelling with data: #32 a conversation with Andy Kirk
“Visualization is a game of decisions.” In this episode, Cole chats with data visualization consultant, teacher, researcher, and author, Andy Kirk. Hear about topics ranging from what can be learned from cartoons and other unexpected sources of inspiration to the importance of curiosity, practice, and editorial judgement for taking work from good to fantastic. They also discuss Andy’s blog series, little of visualization design, his new podcast/video series, Explore Explain, and answer viewer questions on creating “wow” designs, the role of the data viz consultant, and more. LINKS: Follow Andy: @visualisingdata | visualisingdata.com Book: Data Visualisation: A Handbook for Data Driven Design Blog series: little of visualization design (discussed: axis line fading, colour key titles, reset button, framing containers) Podcast/video series: Explore Explain (discussed: ”Coronavirus tracked” with John Burn-Murdoch)

Jun 3, 2020 • 46min
storytelling with data: #31 presenting virtually with Andy Cotgreave
Tune in to this lively conversation, where Cole chats with The Big Book of Dashboard author and Tableau evangelist, Andy Cotgreave, about optimizing presentation content and style for the virtual environment. From an “on-air” lightbulb to keep the kids out to practical tips for keeping energy high and sessions engaging, this is an episode not to miss! Hear about favorite interaction strategies and equipment, plus learn how refining your approach through practice, feedback, and thoughtful experimentation can help you increase your effectiveness—in the virtual setting, and beyond. LINKS: Follow Andy: @acotgreave | www.gravyanecdote.com Book: The Big Book of Dashboards BBOD authors debate: Chart Chat Tableau series: If Data Could Talk BBC’s The Public Philosopher Image: Andy’s set up Image: Cole’s set up NEW! Premium community members can watch the podcast

May 22, 2020 • 45min
storytelling with data: #30 influencing change for data storytelling
What should we do when we believe others should place more value on effective data storytelling than they think they should? Don’t fight every fight, augment rather than replace, and work to understand what’s driving resistance so you can be more nuanced in how you address it. Tune in to hear more on these and additional strategies for influencing change among colleagues, stakeholders, and leadership. Cole also answers listener questions on showing binary data over time, gridlines in graphs, and creating a data visualization portfolio. Mentioned Links:Join: SWD community! use group code PODCAST Book: storytelling with data: Let’s Practice! Exercise: the Big Idea for your project Conversation: your favorite podcasts Upcoming live event: using story in business Go premium! premium community membership