The No Film School Podcast

It can be quite tricky to pivot from one career path in the film industry to another path. What should you do when you start climbing one ladder and realize you want to jump onto another ladder? In today’s episode, No Film School’s Charles Haine, GG Hawkins, and Jason Hellerman discuss: Ladders - avoid getting on the wrong one  Not wanting to be put into a box How having a gap in your resume is not a bad thing  The best ladder to jump on if you don’t know which ladder to climb Building our identity on our craft  How you should market yourself if you are a “multi-hyphenate” professional Why you should consider having multiple websites Plus, we share a short conversation with Eva Longoria, who is a great example of someone who has climbed different ladders in the industry. Eva is not only a talented actor, but she is also a producer and director. Eva offers words of advice for new filmmakers and she describes what it was like to direct her recent film, Flamin' Hot. The film is based on the inspiring true story of Richard Montañez, the Frito Lay janitor who channeled his Mexican American heritage and upbringing to turn the iconic Flamin’ Hot Cheetos into a snack that disrupted the food industry and became a global pop culture phenomenon. The film will be available for streaming on June 9. Memorable Quotes “The higher you climb, the easier it is to hop to other verticals.” [1:58] “There’s this intense pressure to build our identity on these external things.” [15:25] “There’s not a recipe. You just do it. You learn by doing.” [27:04] “If you have a device like that, you gotta set it up early. You gotta set up the rules of your world right at the top.” [36:44] Resources:Flamin’ Hot trailerFind No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rob Savage is a multi-award winning director and writer who is known for his films such as Host, Dawn of the Deaf, and Dashcam. His recent film, The Boogeyman, is a classic horror movie based on a short story written by Stephen King. The Boogeyman will be in theaters on June 2, 2023. In this episode, No Film School’s GG Hawkins and director Rob Savage discuss: Rob’s intention for how we wanted the film to be perceived The themes of grief and poor communication throughout the film How the teenage character helped to bridge two opposite perspectives  Rob’s process for crafting scare scenes Figuring out different modes of terror for different scenes  Why you need to focus on one idea versus having too many options What the emptiness of the house represents Giving the actors the opportunity to move things around their set bedrooms What surprised him about making a studio film Memorable Quotes “We’ve got to act like we are making a classic horror movie. We’ve got to treat this deadly serious.” [10:15] “The creature really represents the dark unspoken within all of us.” [11:39] “I’m always looking for actors who are going to bring a bit of their own personality into the DNA of the movie.” [18:42] “The house is kind of an extension of how the characters are feeling.” [35:31] Resources:The Boogeyman is in theaters June 2Find No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Will artificial Intelligence end our jobs and the world as we know it, or is its “intelligence” limited? While many of us feel nervous for the impact it may have on our careers, A.I. is also opening up new opportunities to those who want to break into the industry. In today’s episode, No Film School’s Charles Haine, GG Hawkins, and Jason Hellerman discuss: The A.I. marketing tool that is being used to gain attention Thinking about whether or not we would use A.I. for certain things  Why we don't think A.I. will be able to make great films The terrifying, yet fascinating, new filter TikTok is rolling out How AI tools can help us democratize film making Knowing how to make the right decisions at the right times Plus, we have a short conversation with Joaquin del Paso and Lucy Pawlak, discussing what it was like to collaborate on the film, The Hole in the Fence. The film, which draws on actual events, dissects politics and privilege through a story that exposes the fault lines of contemporary Mexican society. The film is now available for streaming.Memorable Quotes “People who work in the A.I. industry keep talking about how it could potentially end the world.” [1:35] “The indie film aesthetic and indie film content was driven by available resources.” [21:22] “The biggest skill of a working professional is knowing when you have to make a decision.” [26:27] “Living in that gray area is scary, but sometimes it’s absolutely necessary.” [27:50] Resources:A.I. is about to make social media much more toxicThe Hole in the Fence trailer (with English subtitles)Find No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Walé Oyéjidé is a director, writer, designer, photographer, musician, and lawyer who uses the power of storytelling to combat bias. His debut feature, Bravo, Burkina!, had its world premiere at the 2023 Sundance Film Festival. The film is about a Burkinabé boy who flees his village and migrates to Italy. When later disillusioned by heartbreak, and haunted by memories of home, he travels through time in hope of regaining all he has lost.In this episode, No Film School’s GG Hawkins and director Walé Oyéjidé, discuss: Not being rigid about the format you use to tell a story Thinking more about the voice of the filmmaker instead of the budget of the project Changing the bias people have towards refugees by casting them for his projects How naivety can help us make big leaps and take chances Giving your team time to work together before committing to a larger, more serious project Contributing deeply to the local communities he works with Why it takes decades to figure out your voice Appreciating all the rejections you get Memorable Quotes  “Finding your voice from the beginning, that’s more precious than any particular tools.” [7:38] “We should not be shy about understanding why we are on this planet.” [17:09] “You’re doing yourself and the world a disservice by not being your best self.” [49:21] “It is better to be quiet than it is to be frivolous.” [52:14] Mentioned Resources:Bravo, Burkina! - Presented by Ethical Fashion Initiative & Ikiré JonesStills from the film: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Mjad6OiPQF8Bncp5QauS1JPPcdGicOdfFind No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

If you have ever been treated like garbage by others with power positions, we can relate. How do you respond to that type of treatment? Do you “kill them with kindness” or do you yell right back at them? Is there a way that we can train those in the industry to start being more conscious and kind?In today’s episode, No Film School’s Charles Haine, GG Hawkins, and Jason Hellerman are joined by award-winning creator, Capella Fahoome to discuss:  Loving the passion-driven film industry How Hollywood should be a place where we can collectively create and treat each other with mutuality Using technology to improve quality of life, not eliminate it Finding a balance between being kind and protecting yourself from exploitation Why email is not effective to use when communicating to those with power What things will look like if SAG decides to go on strike Why groups need to publicly demand things Talking about foreign films that have really moved us The benefits that come with watching foreign films Memorable Quotes “No one person can know everything. You have to have these relationships.” [3:56] “Hollywood is a collection, for all of us creatives to come and meet and collaborate in one place.” [5:21] “We can use A.I. for good. We don’t have to use it to eliminate people’s livelihood.” [9:03] “I hate the term soft skills…they are more important than the hard skills and calling them soft skills make them seem like towels.” [14:20] Resources:How to Be A Hollywood Assistant in Film and TV‘Joyland’ Director Saim Sadiq Redefines What It Means To Be a DirectorCapella’s websiteCapella’s InstagramWhen Is Now podcastFind No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschool Instagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

When it comes to following your dream of breaking into the entertainment industry, you have to hustle in order to make that dream a reality. The question is, when does all that hustling become toxic to your well-being? In this episode, No Film School’s GG Hawkins and writer Charla Lauriston discuss: How Charla manages living between LA and Vancouver  Having this terrifying and weird desire to do stand up comedy  Taking writing seriously versus not taking it seriously Having a sense of urgency when you dive into a new career in entertainment What she learned from making a terrible web series Why the pandemic felt like a gift  Growing out of the constant, hustling lifestyle  Why she decided to go back to social media after taking three years off Memorable Quotes “Our profession is very anxiety inducing.” [12:05] “If you have the creativeness in your soul and you don’t nurture it, you will go crazy.” [18:48] “It’s very very hard to put up boundaries because there is very little structure in the work that we do.” [37:54] “Where I am is enough. Where I am is okay.” [42:15] Resources:The Werking Writer SchoolCharla’s InstagramThe Werking Writer on InstagramFind No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

With the WGA being on its third week of strike, we can’t help but start to think about all the ways the industry is changing and what that looks like for us filmmakers. Will Hollywood still seek out our creative ideas, or will we be pushed to only making IP projects in order to market an existing idea? And how does this all affect brand new filmmakers who are struggling just to get their short films accepted into labs? In today’s episode, No Film School’s Charles Haine, GG Hawkins, and Jason Hellerman discuss:  Making the most out of a difficult situation, with fun events for those on strike Keeping an eye out on the bargaining dates for DGA and SAG A story about a development executive who was willing to support GG’s stance on the WGA strike What bums us out about IP and the future of the industry Figuring out which IP’s you would like to make your own What labs are actually looking for when you apply   How to know when your projects are ready for labs and festivals The benefits to developing projects in a group  Building on yourself so you can keep getting better Memorable Quotes “Get out there and picket, because your future in Hollywood is dependent on it. Whether you are in the WGA or not.” [6:29] “I try to write things that I know I could potentially make.” [20:39] “If the story stands out…people will look past things that require budgets.” [36:28] “If your mom loves it, ask someone else.” [42:43] Resources:Why Is Hollywood Leaving Tarantino Behind?Which Paid Service Gives the Best Script Coverage? We Tested Three Popular OptionsFind No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Laurel Parmet is a director and writer who has been nominated and awarded for her shorts, Kira Burning and Spring. Kara Durrett is a producer who works in both independent film and television, producing films such as Save Yourselves! and Topside. We were honored to speak to both of them about their recent film, The Starling Girl, which made its world premiere at the 2023 Sundance Film Festival. In this episode, No Film School’s GG Hawkins, director Laurel Parmet, and producer Kara Durrett discuss: The surreal, emotional feeling of premiering at Sundance What the film, The Starling Girl, is about Why Laurel believes going to film school was invaluable for her Getting fully financed and then losing it all when the pandemic started Pitching a film - how to do it and why it’s so amazing What the remote editing experience was like Plotting out each scene to encourage certain audience emotions Feeling fortunate from the positive response after premiering at Sundance The process of bringing a film to the screen How to maintain stamina on projects that take years to make What you need to do before deciding to become a producer Memorable Quotes “Eventually it all fell apart and we didn’t know how we were going to make the film, and it was pretty dark for me.” [19:33] “Everytime you pitch, you are honing in on what is the most important part of the story.” [24:46] “Make sure you realize you are running a marathon, not a sprint, because it’s a long road.” [34:38] “Pick the people you adore and then make something together.” [55:07] Mentioned Resources:The Starling GirlFind No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Writer’s Guild of America went on strike on May 2, 2023. The strike is more than just writers putting down their pens and picking up their picket signs, to fight for their rights. This strike also symbolizes “the beginning of a bigger conversation about morality and labor practices” throughout corporate America. In today’s episode, No Film School’s Charles Haine, GG Hawkins, and Jason Hellerman discuss:  Recent interactions with union members out on the picket lines Phil Rosenthal’s history with the WGA What screenwriting is now compared to what it used to be How detrimental the mini-rooms are Studios using loopholes to get out of paying rates they already agreed to Hollywood CEOs making millions every year while others are getting laid off  Feeling encouraged by the solidarity between all the unions in the industry Not submitting to the Sundance labs in order to support WGA How the WGA strike is impacting more than just the television and film industry Memorable Quotes “I think it’s a little sad that I’ve worked on four shows, but have no production experience.” [2:14] “You gotta strike when things are unfair. No matter what your job is.” [4:11] “It’s not even a show business problem, it’s a corporate America problem.” [6:22] “United we bargain. Divided we beg.” [19:50] “Fifty grand is not enough to live in Los Angeles. It just isn’t.” [28:04] Resources:Phil Rosenthal’s websiteHistory of American Screenwriters and Their GuildPreWGA Solidarity on SubstackHollywood CEO Collect Billions…Find No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Traci Hays is a DGA Award-nominated director, a production designer, and art director who has received numerous awards for the various shorts she has directed. Her feature directorial debut, Tangled, was named a “must-see movie” by The Hollywood Reporter. She recently directed Blood, Sweat and Cheer, her second feature, which is a dark love letter to Heathers, Mean Girls, The Breakfast Club, and Clueless.In this episode, No Film School’s GG Hawkins and director Traci Hays, discuss: Traci’s dream of becoming a pro soccer player before becoming a director Being rejected to film school  Meeting incredible collaborators and established mentors in the industry All the lessons Traci learned as a production designer Adapting a book to a film for the movie, Tangled How a soccer team connection led to a directing opportunity Being surprised by the very thoughtful and meaningful notes from the producers  Filming Blood, Sweat and Cheer in only 13 days Casting actors that were serious about the dance scenes Memorable Quotes “Having that background as a director feels like a superpower.” [12:29] “To be in the middle of it, the middle of the chaos, is sort of where I thrive.” [14:15] “On a lower budget fast moving train, what will kill your day more than anything else is company moves.” [33:15] “I even tried to learn the dance and let me tell you, I did not get very far.” [40:39] Mentioned Resources:TangledBlood, Sweat and CheerTraci’s websiteFind No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices