The No Film School Podcast

What does it feel like to finally finish your first feature? It’s difficult to explain the mix of emotions running through you. To quote the director of Hungry Dog Blues, it kind of feels like “finishing a marathon or coming out of a psychedelic drug trip.”In today’s episode, No Film School’s GG Hawkins speaks with filmmakers Jason Abrams and Irina Gorovaia to discuss: The very unique experience of making your first film The magical sense of community on an indie set  How the film was inspired by a true story Why people prefer to work on a project that already has momentum Launching a crowdfunding campaign right before the pandemic started How the proof of concept made a huge impact on their fundraising efforts Why frequently following up with investors is so important The practice of not taking things personally Why it’s a win if people hate your movie  Understanding you have to wear a lot of hats on your first film  Learning to enjoy every little part of the filmmaking process Memorable Quotes “It’s a very unique process to take something through, from nothing to something.” [4:52] “Everybody wants to be on a moving train. Nobody wants to shovel coal.” [12:16] “It’s not your job to say ‘no’ for other people.” [30:39] “Slow down. Take your time. Enjoy every little piece of it. Learn to enjoy every little piece of the filmmaking process.” [58:04] “You can create just for the sake of creating. Just because you have a story to tell. That’s allowed, too.” [61:57] Mentioned:Hungry Dog BluesIrina's InstagramHungry Dog Blues InstagramJason's InstagramVariations on a Theme (YouTube channel)Resources they used:ProducingFilm Budget TemplateLine Producer TipsSuccessful Crowdfunding CampaignsEntertainment Lawyer Help FilmmakersCreativeBreaking the Fourth WallThe Art of SuspenseJumping from Short to FeatureFind No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It’s that time of year again. The time of year when we show the filmmakers in our lives how much we appreciate them, with practical gifts that will improve their filmmaking journey. In today’s episode, No Film School’s Charles Haine, GG Hawkins, and Jason Hellerman discuss: Pulling out a new set of pens for your new project - it’s so satisfying Using a notebook versus using your phone Reading “A Swim in a Pond in the Rain” while sitting in a sauna  Understanding the joy and richness of teaching Why you need a podcast microphone even if you aren’t a podcaster Why a quarterly planner is better than a yearly planner The $70 light used on an $80 million movie Why having a nice notebook improves the quality of your work Memorable Quotes “It’s almost like I’m texting, when I’m writing.” [3:21] “Everyone trusts you if you write a note in a notebook…Everyone thinks you are serious with a notebook.” [5:06] “I’m not sure I see what you see in this, but the fact that you see it, makes me excited to go on the journey to try to see it.” [11:44] “Filmmakers should all have nice microphones.” [15:45] “My life and my specs changed drastically when I got Grammarly.” [20:22] Resources:PILOT Razor Point Fine Line Marker Stick Pens Leuchtturm 1917 notebookDrehgriffel Nr. 1Muji Color Gel PensBull and Stash notepadsPilot Precise PenGeorge Saunders “A Swim in a Pond in the Rain”Sennheiser Profile Streaming MicrophoneRode NT-USB miniGrammarly plansPoketo Quarterly Planner Aputure MC 30 Light Moleskine unlined notebookFind No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

To improve your filmmaking, you have to just go out there and shoot with whatever you have, even if all you have is an iPhone. This advice comes from prolific cinematographer Robert Yeoman, who is joining us on the podcast for a second time. In today’s episode, No Film School’s GG Hawkins speaks with DP Robert Yeoman and DP Ryan Thomas to discuss: When Robert first met Director Wes Anderson and what they discussed Why the director and cinematographer need to be on the same team Cultivating a family-like atmosphere with the cast and crew The vetting process for choosing the camera crew The best way to approach the challenges of complex shots What Robert does to stay healthy, sharp, and safe while filming Shooting on film versus shooting on digital cameras How film has evolved over the years  Why knowing how to edit can help you be a better cinematographer Memorable Quotes “If you don’t like the script, you shouldn’t take the film.” [5:38] “The director is my best friend. I am there to serve the director as best I can.” [6:36] “I have this ability to not show that I’m nervous, even though inside I might be going nuts.” [19:05] “Go out and shoot stuff. It doesn’t matter if it’s your iPhone.” [42:09] Resources:Our first podcast interview with YeomanMore on the Netflix shorts Wes Anderson directedRyan’s websiteFind No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

“As Hollywood changes post-strike, the only surefire way in the door is to have something great people are excited to make.” If you are a writer looking to break into the industry, you need to know how to write a great script that producers actually want to read.In today’s episode, No Film School’s Jason Hellerman speaks with acquisition executive and script consultant, Evan Littman, to discuss: The difference between large studios and indie markets  How indie films are made Why you should not submit a short Castability - why you need to write roles for specific actors  The reasons you need representation as a writer Why it’s a seller’s market right now if your script is ready and it’s a banger Having a basic understanding of production costs Log lines we don’t like Carving out your own little corner of Hollywood Memorable Quotes “Horror is a great, communal, theatrical experience.” [9:12] “I hope I’m not crushing anyone’s soul when I say, ‘nobody really cares about shorts.’” [13:09] “The strikes are over, but that doesn’t mean it got easier. It means it got harder.” [15:56] “Know how much your movie costs.” [27:16] “Do not wait for everyone else to tell you ‘yes.’” [40:04] Resources:Get Made ConsultingHow to Write a Logline Read Evan’s No Film School articlesFind No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Have you considered submitting an application for a development program or a writer’s lab, but you don’t know where to start? You’re unsure what you should include in your application, and you don’t know what to expect if you do get accepted. In today’s episode, No Film School’s GG Hawkins speaks with the Director of Artist Programs at Tribeca Studios, Bryce Norbitz, to discuss: Artist development programs and how they help new filmmakers What Bryce focuses on when she first reads an application  The benefit of applying to a program even if you don’t get accepted What the jury has to consider when deciding on a program winner The credibility that comes with being a program finalist What it looks like to work with a brand partnership on your film When you should avoid submitting your story to a lab or program What applicants should include in their submissions Attending small, community-driven festivals in order to network Powerful reasons to attend film festivals as an emerging filmmaker Memorable Quotes “Nobody goes into any brand funding without knowing what the brand’s goals are.” [27:35] “Knowing exactly what you are putting yourself up for will save you energy.” [32:13] “People need to feel more comfortable shouting themselves out.” [32:38] “Your career as a filmmaker will likely not be consistent. It will be ever changing.” [35:12] “My scene was cut, and I never acted again.” [39:06] Resources:Getting accepted into the Sundance Labs on the 5th attemptNew Orleans Film Festival Blackstar Film FestivalConnect with Bryce: untoldstories@tribecafilm.comFind No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What’s the most effective way filmmakers can explain what they do, to people who don’t understand the industry? How do you argue against the notion that “film is not a real industry?” What’s the best way to approach a film course, so you can get the most out of it?In today’s episode, No Film School’s Charles Haine, GG Hawkins, and Jason Hellerman discuss: Educating your family on what it takes to write a screenplay Navigating outsider opinions on the film industry Why we can still love filmmaking even if we aren't’ “Spielbergs” How to get the most out of any film course you take The most common defense mechanism of a filmmaker Embracing the knowledge that you will always be learning  Why we can’t fathom the fact AI is writing screenplays Memorable Quotes “Many doors are not open in Hollywood, so you have to find a window to sneak through sometimes.” [4:16] “If they can’t find that passion, I would change the subject to something that’s way worse.” [17:40] “We deliberately erase the labor of the people who create the art we want to see, because we don’t like thinking about all the effort that went into it.” [19:00] “You paid to take this class. So just pretend you have something to learn.” [34:13] “The joy in a screenplay is witnessing another person’s humanity.” [41:12] Resources:6 Ways to Make the Most of Any Film Course or Project.‘TMNT: Mutant Mayhem’ Production Designer Yashar Kassai on the Future of AnimationFind No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Yashar Kassai is the production designer of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem. The team behind the film pushes the boundaries of animation by adding depth, complexity, and messiness to both the visuals and emotional tone of the film. Yashar describes the design of the film as bad. He says, “it’s like good-bad. It’s like dumb-good.” In today’s episode, No Film School’s GG Hawkins speaks with production designer Yashar Kassai to discuss: What it means to be a production designer in animation Defining the parameters of the world his team built How being a lame hero is refreshing in a world of ultra serious heroes Why they intentionally designed the whole film to be “imperfect” The value in destroying the film over and over again  The power of shaping light to tell your story  What Yashar hopes to see in the future of Western animation Feeling both terrified and impressed by the capabilities of A.I. How animation has room for more complexity Memorable Quotes “How do you tie together all the brilliant work that’s being put in front of you and make it into one cohesive thing on screen.” [8:40] “You can do anything you want to, no matter how crazy it is.” [09:09] “It’s really endearing to be lame as a teenager and not know who you are.” [14:09] “We thought we had it. We thought we really went for it, but we didn’t.” [18:24] Resources:Yashar's Instagram Yashar's website Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant MayhemFind No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Should filmmakers include intentional intermissions on long films? How do you properly film on a set, so it doesn’t look like a set? Is it possible to shoot your entire project using an iPhone?In today’s episode, No Film School’s Charles Haine, GG Hawkins, and Jason Hellerman discuss: Movie theaters adding intermissions to a Scorsese film without permission The reason 3D movies in the 1950s used intermissions  Filmmakers creating different formats for different viewing options  Scenarios when filmmakers should plan for intermissions in their films What GG’s first sound stage experience was like  How to make a set NOT look like a set Everything we love about Apple’s recent products How Apple shot their news event entirely on the iPhone 15 Memorable Quotes “Since the invention of television, every filmmaker has had to think in multiple formats.” [16:14] “Scorsese can do whatever the fuck he wants and if he says ‘no intermission,’ I will not drink liquid ahead of time.” [17:09] “There’s a way to shoot with limited resources to still think big.” [25:12] “A set wall will never look like a real wall no matter how hard you try.” [31:10] Resources:Learn to Shoot 35mm Killers of the Flower MoonAn Apple event shot on the iPhoneFind No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The horror genre has not always been widely appreciated, yet it is one of the best genres to explore the challenges facing our world at large. “It is very easy to find the horror in reality,” whether it be the current ecological crisis or inequality facing female filmmakers. This genre offers an opportunity to bring awareness to important issues, in an enlightening and entertaining way.In today’s episode, No Film School’s GG Hawkins speaks with Director Elza Kephart to discuss: Her experience attending film school in the US as a Canadian filmmaker Funding a film with insurance money received from a burglary Getting paid as a director, for the first time, in her 40s How the Fantasia Film Festival helped her grow in confidence and connections The differences between the Canadian film industry and the US film industry Why you shouldn’t rely on the social justice angle for your film Recognizing gender inequality in the filmmaking industry  Why it’s okay to be a filmmaker who is an introvert Specific tips to know if you found the right actor Memorable Quotes “This is a mature career. It takes decades to build to the point where you have a sustainable career.” [8:05] “No matter how strange an idea…if it’s coming from an unconscious, organic place, that’s the story you need to follow.” [21:56] “Expectations: Make a good film and don’t be an asshole.” [40:16] “If you cast good actors, you almost don’t have to do anything.” [51:34] Resources:Slaxx‘Joyland’ Director Saim Sadiq Redefines What It Means To Be a Director Kelly Fremon Craig Shares With NFS How To Adapt Beloved Classics for TheatersThe Confidence CodeHope for FilmFind No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Is the best time to release your horror film during the month of October? Damien LeVeck certainly doesn’t think so. Damien is an award winning filmmaker known for his work in the horror genre. We can’t wait to see his most recent film, A Creature was Stirring. This “Christmas meets horror” movie will be released this December. In today’s episode, No Film School’s GG Hawkins speaks with filmmaker Damien LeVeck to discuss: One of the best horror scripts he has ever read Why he takes script submissions on his website Taking a good script and making it into a great script How a Minimum Guarantee (MG) deal works Using the cloud system provided by Black Magic Design A simple tech tip that all directors should know The challenge of writing, directing, producing, and editing your own movie Doing screenings in order to get honest feedback  Memorable Quotes “You should be glad you did this, because it might be the only time in your life when you will take these kinds of risks.” [3:39] “If you cannot see the twist coming on the page, that’s a real feat.” [7:21] “If you know how to edit, you will be a much better director.” [18:24] Resources:A Creature was Stirring Top Legal Mistakes Filmmakers Make and How To Avoid ThemSkubalon EntertainmentDamien’s InstagramFind No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschool Instagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices