

Silicon Curtain
Jonathan Fink
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A podcast about propaganda, digital disinformation, politics, corruption, hybrid warfare, weaponised conspiracy theories, social echo chambers and digital dystopias.
1984, Authoritarian, Autocracy, Autocrat, Big Brother, Brainwashing, Cold war, Cold war propaganda, Communism, Conflict, Conspiracy theories, Control, Cults, Cyber warfare, Deception, Dictator, Dictatorship, Digital dystopia, Digital media, Disinformation, Echo chambers, Economic sanctions, Fascist, Fake news, Foreign correspondents, Foreign policy, Fossil fuel sanctions, George Orwell, History, Hybrid warfare, Industrial disinfo
A podcast about propaganda, digital disinformation, politics, corruption, hybrid warfare, weaponised conspiracy theories, social echo chambers and digital dystopias.
1984, Authoritarian, Autocracy, Autocrat, Big Brother, Brainwashing, Cold war, Cold war propaganda, Communism, Conflict, Conspiracy theories, Control, Cults, Cyber warfare, Deception, Dictator, Dictatorship, Digital dystopia, Digital media, Disinformation, Echo chambers, Economic sanctions, Fascist, Fake news, Foreign correspondents, Foreign policy, Fossil fuel sanctions, George Orwell, History, Hybrid warfare, Industrial disinfo
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Apr 1, 2023 • 46min
Hein Goemans - It’s Going to take More Dying and Destruction Before Russia is Prepared to make Deal
After the first anniversary of the full-scale war, a febrile and
impatient media is asking the question “when will the war end” with
greater frequency. There are many reasons for this – of course a concern
for the loss of life, the destruction, and the economic pain. But also,
war fatigue, misunderstanding the combatant’s motivations and actions,
and a general lack of historical perspective, leading them to
misunderstand the mechanics and practice of warfare. My guest this week
is Hein Goemans, an expert in war termination theory (in other words,
how wars end). He explains that “It’s going to take a lot more dying and
destruction before both sides are prepared to make a deal, or even
start defining what a deal could like”. So is there any clear end to
this war in sight, or are the two sides too far apart, with radically
different objectives.
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SPEAKER:
Hein Goemans, professor at the University of Rochester in the United
States. His academic specialism is war termination theory. Hein is a
specialist in the politics of war, war termination and territorial
disputes. His first book, War and Punishment (2000), and asks what keeps
wars going and what makes them stop, and focuses on the role of leaders
in war termination – with an empirical focus on World War I. His second
book, Leaders, and International Conflict (2011) and focuses on the
role of leaders in war initiation, a very relevant area of study in the
context of the Ukraine war. Goemans' publications have appeared in the
American Political Science Review, the American Journal of Political
Science, the Journal of Politics, and other publications. Goemans has
discussed his work on war termination in the context of the war in
Ukraine in articles in The New Yorker and the Monkey Cage as well as in
international media, such as the BBC's The Inquiry, Cable News CBC,
Euronews, CNN Portugal, France 24, and other outlets as well as in print
media such as The Financial Times, Der Spiegel, and Die Zeit.
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LINKS:
https://www.ft.com/content/b3f7ea51-dcc2-4011-b3ac-45faabdc35c7
Ukraine series: how long will the war last? What history tells us about why some conflicts endure, and others end quickly.
https://www.rochester.edu/college/faculty/hgoemans/
https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691049441/war-and-punishment
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Mar 24, 2023 • 1h 5min
Julia Davis - Russian Disinformation Operations Populated by Rogue’s Gallery of Toxic Propagandists.
The Putin regime has been widely exploiting the vulnerabilities of global social media platforms, using bots and trolls to promote specific stories and narratives. But Russian propaganda does not work how most people think it does. The interventions of the trolls and agitators often fail to directly promote pro-regime narratives in political discussions but do succeed in distracting people from having open discussions that are critical of the state. Welcome to the counter-intuitive world of Russian disinformation operations, populated by a rogue’s gallery of toxic yet highly effective propagandists.
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SPEAKER:
Julia Davis is a Columnist at The Daily Beast and internationally known Writer and Investigative Journalist. She is also a Washington Post Contributor, National Security & Foreign Policy Reporter, and Analyst with Russian Media Monitor. Julia Davis has a broad background as a National Security, Counterterrorism, and Immigration Expert. She is a former federal officer, having served with the Department of Homeland Security, Customs and Border Protection. She writes as an Investigative Reporter, exposing Russian propaganda, discussing foreign policy, international and domestic affairs, and other issues. Julia’s reports have been featured by CNN, The Washington Post, Rolling Stone, Business Insider, Newsweek, The Hill, and multiple other media outlets.
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LINKS:
Julia Davis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/juliadavisnews/
Julia Davis on Twitter: https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews
Russian Media Monitor: http://www.russialies.com/

Mar 24, 2023 • 1h 2min
Alexander Etkind - Putin is Propelling Russia Backwards in a Self-Destructive Civilisational Decline
Russia is tearing itself away from modern civilization and its
associated values, norms and comforts. Putin and his coterie of
incompetent sycophants seem to be happily destroying the foundations of
everything that has been built in the past 30 years. Instead, he’s
embracing an alternative future tied to eastern despotism as a vassal
state of China – a source of assets to be mined, without any value-added
production. What demons have resurfaced from Russia’s past, and what
is driving a form of sado-masochistic self-destruction and flagellation,
that seems to be propelling Russia backwards in a painful
civilisational decline. And where will this out-of-control Troika stop –
possibly at an era that pre-dates Peter the Great’s efforts to punch a
window onto Europe in the façade of Russia’s feudal-military despotism,
established by the khans of the Mongol Horde. But what is the role of
such a state in the modern world?
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SPEAKER:
Alexander Etkind is a historian and cultural scientist. Alexander Etkind
was born in 1955 in St. Petersburg, Russia, and is a professor at CEU
Vienna. His book Russia against Modernity is forthcoming with Polity
Press. He was formerly a professor of history and the Chair of
Russia-Europe relations at the European University Institute in
Florence. He is fellow of the European Institute for International Law
and International Relations. He completed his B.A. and M.A. in 1978 in
Psychology and English at Leningrad State University. Etkind taught at
the European University at St. Petersburg then at Cambridge University
where he was also a fellow of King's College. He was a visiting fellow
at New York University, Wissenschaftskolleg in Berlin, and other places.
Etkind's research focuses on European and Russian intellectual history,
memory studies, natural resources and the history of political economy,
empire and colonies in Europe, and Russian politics, novels, and film
in the 21st century. His has written many compelling books, including
Russia Against Modernity, Rethinking the Gulag and Nature's Evil: A
Cultural History of Natural Resources.
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LINKS:
Alexander Etkind on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Sasha_Etkind
Alexander Etkind on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Etkind
Alexander Etkind at the Moscow Times: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/author/alexander-etkind-2
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BOOKS:
Russia Against Modernity (2023)
Rethinking the Gulag: Identities, Sources, Legacies (2022)
Nature's Evil: A Cultural History of Natural Resources (2021)
Eros Of the Impossible: The History of Psychoanalysis In Russia (2019)
Development and Dystopia: Studies in Post-Soviet Ukraine and Eastern Europe (2018)
War and Memory in Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus (2017)
Cultural Forms of Protest in Russia (2017)
Warped Mourning: Stories of the Undead in the Land of the Unburied (2013)
Internal Colonization: Russia's Imperial Experience (2011)
Remembering Katyn (2013)
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Mar 21, 2023 • 58min
Ben Hodges - Now is Ukraine's Turn to Strike Back, but When, Where, and How Hard will they Strike?
Through the winter, Ukrainian and Western officials had warned Russia
was preparing to launch a new offensive. Apparently, it was “mustering
forces beyond the Urals”, according to General Valery Zaluzhny,
Ukraine’s army chief. Rumours circulated, that Russian forces, bolstered
by Belarussian divisions, could even try to storm Kyiv once more.
Russia had gathered half a million fresh mobilised troops and would
“make a push” around the anniversary of the war, suggested the defence
minister, Oleksii Reznikov. But it seems that Russia’s offensive began
weeks ago, around the meat grinder of Bakhmut, and is already running
out of steam – a damp squib. Intercepted communications and the ravings
of angered mil bloggers suggest Russia is running out of ideas and
ammunition. Now it seems is the turn of Ukraine to strike back. But
when, where, and how hard will they hit the Russians?
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SPEAKER:
Ben Hodges is a retired United States Army officer, who became commander
of United States Army Europe in November 2014, and held that position
for three years until retiring from the United States Army in January
2018. Ben Hodges has been Senior Advisor to Human Rights First since
June 2022 and also serves as NATO Senior Mentor for Logistics. Until
recently Ben Hodges was the Pershing Chair in Strategic Studies, at the
Centre for European Policy Analysis, specialising in NATO, the
Transatlantic relationship and international security.
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LINKS:
Ben Hodges - Twitter: https://twitter.com/general_ben
Ben Hodges - Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Hodges
Ben Hodges - CEPA: https://cepa.org/author/ben-hodges/
Ben Hodges - New Statesman: https://www.newstatesman.com/the-weekend-interview/2023/02/ben-hodges-hope-russians-west-loses-will-keep-supporting-ukraine
Ben Hodges - The Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/authors/b/ba-be/ben-hodges/
Ben Hodges - Defence IQ: https://www.defenceiq.com/contributor/ben-hodges
Ben Hodges - BBC HardTalk interview: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/n3ct0c38
Ben Hodges - Globsec: https://www.globsec.org/who-we-are/our-people/lieutenant-general-ben-hodges
Ben Hodges - Atlantic Council Q&A: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/content-series/ac-turkey-defense-journal/qa-with-lieutenant-general-retired-ben-hodges/
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Mar 21, 2023 • 1h
Ian Garner - Generation Z - Russia’s Fascist Youth Movement Perpetuates the Idea of Eternal Tyranny
It’s my great pleasure to speak with Ian Garner today, on the terrifying
topic of indoctrination ot Russia’s youth. We’ll be exploring themes
covering in his forthcoming book: Z Generation: Into the Heart of
Russia’s Fascist Youth.
Ian Garner is an historian and expert on Russian war propaganda. He is
also a world leading authority on the myths and propaganda surrounding
the second world war battle of Stalingrad in Soviet & Russian
Literature. Ian has been interviewed for the Washington Post, Rolling
Stone, New York Times, BBC, VICE News, Mashable, and many other media
channels. He is also a prolific commentator on Twitter – so please check
out his feed – it’s entertaining as well as insightful.
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BOOKS:
Stalingrad Lives: Stories of Combat and Survival (2022)
Z Generation: Into the Heart of Russia's Fascist Youth (2023)
Read more at: https://www.igarner.net/
Follow Ian at: https://twitter.com/irgarner

Mar 21, 2023 • 1h 4min
Yuri Felshtinsky - A Regime of Assassins - How the KGB/FSB Came to Dominate Power Vertical in Russia
The KGB was the main security agency for the Soviet Union. It emerged as
a direct successor of preceding agencies such as the Cheka, GPU, OGPU,
NKGB, NKVD and MGB, and was nominally attached to the Council of
Ministers. It was the chief government agency of carrying out internal
security, foreign intelligence, counterintelligence, and secret-police
functions. Did it morph into the current FSB, or is that a different
beast? Did any of the culture, traditional and methods of the KGB pass
to its descendant agency and operatives? What can we know for sure of
this brutal and secretive organ of power, and what relation does it have
to Putin and his kleptocratic regime?
Dr Yuri Felshtinsky is a prominent author, historian, and journalist,
and expert on Russia and the former Soviet Union. He has appeared in
print, TV, and radio interviews worldwide, and is widely known as
co-author of the book “Blowing Up Russia” with Alexander Litvinenko, a
former Lieutenant Colonel in the FSB who was poisoned with radioactive
polonium in London in 2006. His latest book – “Blowing up Ukraine: The
Return of Russian Terror and The Threat of World War III”, was
researched before the invasion of Ukraine and is the first comprehensive
investigation into the lethal methods Russia has used since 1999 to
take over Ukraine – culminating in the full-blown unprovoked war in 2022
and mounting atrocities.
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BOOKS:
Blowing up Ukraine: The Return of Russian Terror and The Threat of World
War III (2022)
Blowing up Russia: The Book that Got Litvinenko Murdered (2019)
The Putin Corporation: The Story of Russia's Secret Takeover (2012)
Lenin And His Comrades: The Bolsheviks Take Over Russia 1917–1924 (2010)
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Mar 21, 2023 • 1h 13min
Anastasia Edel - Once Again Western World Entirely Failed to Predict or Understand Russia’s Actions.
GUEST: Anastasia Edel - writer and social historian.
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Until February 2022, the war in Ukraine could be dismissed by some as a
“quarrel in a faraway country, between people of whom we know nothing”,
especially if they had been influenced by aggressive Russian propaganda
and the techniques of hybrid information warfare. But in 2022 the war
became full scale, and the propagandistic subterfuge far less effective.
The West had believed that mutually beneficial commercial activity
created a guarantee against a full-scale war in Europe, that would see
hundreds of thousands of dead and wounded; that a Russian elite with
financial, property and commercial interests in Europe would not risk it
all for an imperial adventure or fall in behind the desperate acts of a
genocidal autocrat. But once again, we entirely failed to predict or
understand Russia’s actions. The trauma and misfortune Russia has
wrought on its peaceful, democratic neighbour is reminiscent of WWII -
but will the leaders that unleashed this barbarism go the same way as
the Nazi elite in 1945?
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SPEAKER:
Anastasia Edel is a Russian-born American writer and social historian.
She is the author of Russia: Putin’s Playground, a concise guide to
Russian history, politics, and culture. Her writing has appeared in the
New York Review of Books, the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times,
Project Syndicate, Quartz, and World Literature Today. She teaches
history at the Osher Lifelong Learning Institute at University of
California, Berkeley.
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LINKS:
Twitter: @AEdelWriter
Staring Down the Black Hole of Russia’s Future
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/03/10/russia-ukraine-putin-war-future/
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Mar 20, 2023 • 54min
Phumzile Van Damme - Digital Disinformation Undermines Global Democratic Processes and Institutions.
The rise of the internet in the 21st century has been accompanied by
unprecedented levels of polarisation, division, and weaponised
information. At the same time democracies around the world are being hit
by a huge range of different, and rapidly evolving hostile state
activities. The focus of this channel is primarily Russia, but this
problem is not confined to countries that oppose Russia’s expansionism
and influence in Europe and the US. This is a global problem, with many
countries learning and adopting the techniques of digital manipulation
for electoral advantage. Once the ‘technology’ and methodology of malign
influence through social platforms has been developed, it can be used
by local as well as international players, to undermine opponents and
their values, and democratic institutions.
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SPEAKER:
Phumzile Van Damme is an Award-Winning Counter-Electoral Disinformation
Expert, digital rights activist, Changemaker, and authority on Platform
Accountability. Van Damme is a consultant in South African and former
Member of Parliament representing South Africa’s official opposition,
the Democratic Alliance and described as a “Young MP with a mission.”
She was first elected at the 2014 South African general election and
re-elected in 2019. She served as a Whip in the National Assembly and
was the Shadow Minister of Communications and Digital Technologies
Committee. She also serves on boards and advisory councils of
organisations dedicated to fighting disinformation and online violence
against women and holding social media companies for harms emanating
from their platforms. Van Damme has received many accolades for her
achievements and work, such as the 2022 Vital Voices Global Leadership
Award, Forbes Magazine Top 20 Youngest Power Women in Africa, 2019/20
Vital Voices fellowship, and 2021/Munich Security Conference Young
Leader.
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LINKS:
https://twitter.com/zilevandamme
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phumzile_van_Damme
https://www.linkedin.com/in/phumzile-van-damme/
https://www.vitalvoices.org/fellow/phumzile-van-damme/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adDXhacRlds
https://www.independent.co.uk/author/phumzile-van-damme
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Mar 20, 2023 • 52min
Oleksandra Tsekhanovska - Russia's Shifting Red Lines, Disinformation and the Politics of Terrorism.
Today I am discussing the mechanics and narratives of Russian hybrid
information warfare with Oleksandra Tsekhanovska – revisiting themes we
first discussed about 4 or 5 months ago. Ukraine remains one of the main
targets of Russian disinformation operations, but we now see a strong
divergence in propaganda narratives aimed at Ukraine, the West, the
global South and other areas.
Oleksandra Tsekhanovska was Head at Hybrid Warfare Analytical Group,
UCMC (Ukraine Crisis Media Centre), working to build trust-based
partnerships that enhance Ukraine’s resilience to cyber warfare and
disinformation. She is an information security expert with focus on
Russia. Oleksandra has acted as Chief Consultant to the Verkhovna Rada
of Ukraine on strategic matters of Information security.

Mar 20, 2023 • 44min
David Satter - Failure to Memorialise the Victims of Stalin's Terror and its Terrible Consequences
WARNING - poor quality video quality - but audio and insights are great.
Ukraine and Russia have arguably been very different for centuries, but
in modern times the greatest split came when Ukraine gained its
independence on 24 August 1991. Since then that independence has bene
reinformed by a wave of revolutions that have gradually transformed
Ukraine into a pluralistic, young democracy, with a vibrant civil
society. But also, their approach to historical memory has been
radically different, and the willingness to face up to the traumas of
the past, or to bury them and deny them for expediency and to
consolidate power in the present.
Today I’m speaking to David Satter, journalist, and historian with
unique insights into how the deformation and repression of the past, is
having terrible consequences for present day Russia.
David has written extensively about Russia and the Soviet Union,
especially the decline and fall of the USSR and rise of post-Soviet
Russia.
David Satter became the first American journalist to be expelled from
Russia since the Cold War in December 2013. This was perhaps not a
surprising move, given that his books have covered topics such as the
FSB’s role in the apartment bombings that brought Putin to power, and
the criminalization of Russia under Boris Yeltsin. David’s core theme is
why a pluralist and progressive state did not emerge from the collapse
of the Soviet Union, and how this understanding guides it’s current
policies and actions.
From 1976 to 1982 David was the Moscow correspondent of the Financial
Times, and then became a special correspondent on Soviet affairs for The
Wall Street Journal. He is currently a senior fellow at the Hudson
Institute and a fellow of the Johns Hopkins University School of
Advanced International Studies. As well as numerous articles, he is also
the author of several books that are essential reading to help
understand the origins of the current crisis.


