

Constant Wonder
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Stay in tune with our phenomenal world. Join us for explorations of science, art, history, and more. We're on a quest to find awe and wonder in all nature—human or wild, vast or small. Encounters that move us beyond words. Hosted by Marcus Smith, Constant Wonder is a production of BYUradio.
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Dec 27, 2023 • 55min
Best of Constant Wonder 2023
Constant Wonder shares excerpts of three of our favorite episodes from 2023. We meet a family who discovered that their Nazi grandfather had actually aided the French resistance in WWII; we follow two intrepid female botanists along a death-defying boat trip through the Grand Canyon; we meet a "range rider" who keeps the peace between ranchers and wolves. These are only a sampling of the fascinating, inspiring conversations from the last year.
Guests:
Burkhard Bilger, author of "Fatherland: A Memoir of War, Conscience, and Family Secrets" and staff writer at "The New Yorker"
Melissa Sevigny, author of "Brave the Wild River: The Untold Story of Two Women Who Mapped the Botany of the Grand Canyon." Thanks to Lew Steiger for allowing us to use his recordings of Lois Jotter's recollections.
Daniel Curry, range rider and wolf advocate in Eastern Washington

Nov 15, 2023 • 8min
BONUS: Eat the Invaders
When invasive plants and animals crowd out native species—and you just can't beat 'em—you might as well eat 'em! That's Joe Roman's argument. It's not a perfect solution, but from lionfish in the Caribbean to the snails and weeds in your backyard, chefs and foodies are serving up invasive species in the name of conservation. Enjoy this short bonus episode from Constant Wonder!
Guest: Joe Roman, conservation biologist and research affiliate at the University of Vermont; author, "Eat, Poop, Die: How Animals Make Our World"

Nov 8, 2023 • 53min
Eat, Poop, Die
Sixty years ago, the island of Surtsey was born of a volcanic eruption. It would've remained a bleak, barren place were it not for bird droppings which created a tiny ecosystem in which plants, insects, and birds now thrive. It's a compelling example of the way that animals distribute nutrients around the globe through their poop. In other instances, carcasses nourish many forms of life around them, especially during and after a migration. In this episode, we'll find wonder around the world in quite unlikely places.
Guest: Joe Roman, author of "Eat, Poop, Die: How Animals Make Our World"
Find Joe online: https://joeroman.com/
X/Twitter: https://x.com/roamnjoe

Nov 1, 2023 • 53min
Compassion in the Aftermath: Recovering from Horrific Hallucinations
As a biology professor and a published writer, Steven Peck spent his entire life closely observing everything around him. But then his world was overturned by a brain infection that caused severe hallucinations, and he was plunged into a terrifying realm of assassin-children, evil doctors, and river-rafting MRI machines. Emerging from that chaos, Peck grappled with the power of the human brain to construct and alter the reality we experience. In this episode of Constant Wonder, he talks about how such a horrific and mind-altering experience led to an increased capacity for compassion.
Steven Peck, professor of biology at BYU and author of over forty short stories and novels.
Visit Steven online to find out more about his writing: https://stevepeckniche.com/

Oct 25, 2023 • 53min
Book of Delights
Poet and essayist Ross Gay talks about finding moments of wonder in everyday life. Wandering, finger painting, laundromats, bike riding, gardening, listening to beautiful music, recognizing the care that is offered to us. In this episode of Constant Wonder, we discover Ross Gay's philosophy of delight.
Guest: Ross Gay, author of "The Book of Delights," "Inciting Joy," and "The Book of (More) Delights"
Find Ross Gay online to explore his other work: https://www.rossgay.net/about

Oct 18, 2023 • 53min
Who Deserves to Be on Stage?
Steven Melendez was introduced to ballet as a child living in a homeless shelter. After an international ballet career—during which he tried to downplay his past—he now works to welcome more kids with backgrounds like his into the ballet studio and onto the world's finest stages. The documentary "Lift" chronicles his journey.
Guests:
Steven Melendez, Artistic Director of New York Theatre Ballet
David Petersen, Director and Producer of "Lift"
Find Steven online: https://stevenmelendez.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thestevenmelendez/?hl=en
Find David online: https://www.beaufort9films.com/lift

Oct 11, 2023 • 49min
Going Blind With Vigor and Aplomb
Andrew Leland figured out he was going blind when he began stumbling in the dark as a teenager. Using the then-nascent internet, he diagnosed himself with retinitis pigmentosa, a condition which has caused his sight to gradually degrade from the outside in. Far from being the tragedy he expected, his blindness has simply become part of everyday life—bringing with it surprising humor and unexpected beauty.
Guest: Andrew Leland, freelance writer for The New York Times Magazine, The New Yorker, McSweeney’s Quarterly, and The San Francisco Chronicle, among others
Find Andrew online: https://www.andrewleland.org/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/quailty/?hl=en

Oct 4, 2023 • 1h 1min
Working Through Profound Loss with Hope and Purpose
When the two teenage children of a close-knit family are killed by a drunk driver, the grief-stricken parents turn to their Jewish community for support. They learn that constructive grief requires community and conversation, and they set out to rebuild a joyful life that honors their lost children while embracing others in need.
Guests: Colin Campbell, author of "Finding the Words: Working Through Profound Loss with Hope and Purpose," and Gail Lerner
Find Colin online: https://colincampbellauthor.com/colin/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/colincampbellwriter/
Find Gail online: https://gaillerner.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gail.lerner/?hl=en

Sep 27, 2023 • 59min
A Chinese-American Family's Quest for Inclusion
When Ava Chin went looking for the father who had abandoned her family, she discovered the rich and complicated legacy of her Chinese immigrant relatives. Her great-great-grandfather helped build the railroad that united America, but his adopted country soon turned against him, legislating the Chinese Exclusion Act. This episode of the Constant Wonder podcast explores how Ava Chin's family continued to thrive in America, despite intense discrimination. As her family history unfolds, we witness Ava Chin lay claim to a past she never knew she had.
Guest: Ava Chin, author of "Mott Street: A Chinese American Family's Story of Exclusion and Homecoming"
Learn more about Ava Chin:
http://avachin.com/
https://www.instagram.com/ava_chin/?hl=en
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/563929/mott-street-by-ava-chin/
Excerpts from "Butterfly Lovers’ Violin Concerto" used by permission from the BYU Chamber Orchestra

Sep 20, 2023 • 58min
Death-Defying Botanists Brave the Colorado
In 1938, the raging rapids of the Colorado were still untamed and undammed when a pair of botanists from the University of Michigan captured the country's imagination. They would become the first known women to run the river through the Grand Canyon. They did it in pursuit of plants and science, but their story is a little-known tale of resilience and beauty at the edge of the impossible.
Guest: Melissa Sevigny, author of "Brave the Wild River: The Untold Story of Two Women Who Mapped the Botany of the Grand Canyon."
Explore Melissa's other writing here: https://melissasevigny.com/
Thanks to Lew Steiger for allowing us to use his recordings of Lois Jotter's recollections. Kyle Remand, Ryan Clark, Brian Tanner, Eric Glissmeyer, Audrey Hughes, Kristi Lindstrom, Becca Hurley, and Barry Squires voiced the various roles.


