

New Creative Era
Joshua Citarella and Yancey Strickler
A podcast exploring how creative people develop their practices and the worlds we live and operate in. metalabel.substack.com
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Dec 17, 2025 • 31min
Dark forests and antimemetics
Explore the hidden world of dark forests and antimemetics, where ideas resist visibility. Discover how bureaucratic structures obscure information and how niche audiences can powerfully outshine mass media. The conversation highlights the allure of elusive groups, shared rules, and anonymity in fostering genuine creative interactions. Delve into the contrast between quick viral hits and enduring, impactful work, and uncover how these secret spaces serve as vibrant hubs for collaboration and innovation.

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Dec 10, 2025 • 40min
Do dark forests live forever?
Josh and Yancey dive into the intriguing lifecycles of Dark Forest communities. They discuss how these online spaces begin, evolve, and sometimes decay. Key topics include the importance of consistent output and quality curation to prevent entropic decline. They highlight factionalism's role in community dynamics and explore how reputational roles retain talent. The conversation also touches on cultural legacies, revealing how ideas can endure long after groups have disbanded. Tune in for insights on fostering lasting connections in digital spaces!

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Dec 3, 2025 • 33min
The philosophy of dark forests
Explore the intriguing philosophy of dark forests, where the line between threat and sanctuary blurs. These spaces foster privacy, enabling dissent and collective action away from prying eyes. Discover how social isolation drives people into communal enclaves, and how deplatforming can energize group formation. Delve into the balance of public and private, and the dangers of echo chambers. The conversation culminates in reflections on how transient groups can evolve into lasting institutions.

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Nov 26, 2025 • 43min
The economics of the dark forest
Dive into the intriguing world of Dark Forest spaces and their self-supporting economies. Explore the technical mechanics that fuel these online-native proto-institutions. Discover the balance between shared membership roles and privacy concerns within communities. Unpack how crypto and community tokens play a vital role in governance and economics. The hosts debate the implications of rewarding early contributors while preventing speculation. Get ready for a lively discussion on the future of collaborative publishing and online institutions.

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Nov 18, 2025 • 34min
What's a Dark Forest?
Dive into the intriguing concept of Dark Forests, where private, non-indexed spaces like invite-only chats foster genuine conversation. Discover the origins of the term and why people are retreating into these gated communities, escaping the chaos of public feeds. Explore how Dark Forests can both shield sensitive information and pose risks like radicalization. The hosts discuss the balance between privacy and the responsibility to share ideas, while also addressing how these spaces shape power dynamics and influence in society.

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Nov 14, 2025 • 33min
The return
Get ready to explore the intriguing world of dark forests—private online spaces shrouded in mystery. The hosts discuss their struggles with productivity amidst a content treadmill and reflect on the risks of publishing unconventional ideas. There’s a dive into public benefit corporations and how institutions influence creative careers. They also introduce a new concept: Dark Forest Operating System, aimed at building cooperative tools for communities. Tune in for a captivating journey into uncharted digital territories!

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Jun 24, 2025 • 51min
Artist Corporations: new podcast and early traction
The conversation dives deep into the innovative concept of Artist Corporations, exploring how they can reshape the landscape for creative individuals. Listeners learn about the various legal structures artists can utilize and the potential benefits of a unified A-Corp. There's discussion on the evolving value of art in today's culture and the impact of collectives that are currently paving the way for collaboration. The dialogue emphasizes the need for community input in crafting supportive systems, aiming to empower artists in navigating financial challenges.

May 13, 2025 • 31min
Why talk about the creative life?
This week marks the final episode of the first season of New Creative Era, as well as the release of a new book that collects all our conversations into printed form: On the Creative Life: Conversations Towards a New Creative Era.In this episode, Josh and Yancey discuss why even have conversations like ours? What is this moment in our collective creative journey?Though this is the last episode of this season, we’re interested in continuing these conversations. Want more New Creative Era? Let us know by picking up a copy of the book, or by reaching out: hello@metalabel.com.Peace and love, y’all. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit metalabel.substack.com

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Apr 28, 2025 • 38min
Seven things we want out of a new creative era
Dive into a lively discussion about envisioning a new creative landscape! The hosts share their hopes for an art market that thrives on accessibility and collaboration. They explore empowering artists to wield influence in societal decisions. The idea of curated creative bundles sparks excitement for mutual support among artists. Also on the table is a vision for a platform that enhances online creative communities. The conversation wraps with an optimistic look at the creator economy and its potential to address societal challenges.

Apr 21, 2025 • 33min
What we wish we knew then
What lessons do we keep with us from our creative journeys so far?This week Josh and Yancey turn back the clock and take turns sharing seven things they know now but wish they knew then. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit metalabel.substack.com


