Evidence Based Birth®

Across generations, birth workers have held space for families with skill, love, and deep purpose. In this episode, Dr. Rebecca Dekker talks with Elder Midwife Charlotte Shilo-Goudeau, a licensed Certified Professional Midwife from Louisiana, and Chanté Perryman, Director of Programs at Evidence Based Birth®, certified doula, and student midwife. Together, they explore what it means to embrace the dual calling of doula work and midwifery and how both roles are acts of service, advocacy, and healing. Elder Charlotte shares her journey from personal loss to becoming one of only a few Black midwives in Louisiana, carrying forward the wisdom of generations. Chanté reflects on how her experiences as a doula shaped her path into midwifery and her vision for compassionate, individualized care. They remind us that titles may change, but the heart of this work remains the same: being present, being of service, and being called to birth. (03:46) How Chanté's Birth Experience Inspired Her to Become a Doula (05:42) Elder Charlotte's Journey from Stillbirth to Midwifery as a Calling (10:59) How Doula Work Shapes Midwifery Care and Philosophy (14:34) Serving Underserved Communities as One of Four Black Midwives in Louisiana (19:01) Shifting from Midwife to Doula During Hospital Transfers (24:08) Chanté's Perspective on Identity, Service, and Humility in Birth Work (28:40) Micro vs. Macro Advocacy: Supporting Families and Legislative Change (37:29) Navigating Hospital Restrictions During the Pandemic (42:57) Lessons from Midwifery School (45:30) Advice for Those Considering Doula or Midwifery Paths Resources Follow Chanté on Instagram: @babydreamsmc Connect with Ms. Charlotte: midwifecharlotte.com Connect with an Evidence Based Birth® Instructor: directory.evidencebasedbirth.com Learn more about the National Perinatal Task Force: perinataltaskforce.com Visit the Commonsense Childbirth School of Midwifery: commonsensemidwifery.org Check out the Kentucky Birth Coalition: kentuckyhomebirthcoalition.com Visit the Mercy In Action College of Midwifery: mercycollegeofmidwifery.edu For more information about Evidence Based Birth® and a crash course on evidence based care, visit www.ebbirth.com. Follow us on Instagram and YouTube! Ready to learn more? Grab an EBB Podcast Listening Guide or read Dr. Dekker's book, "Babies Are Not Pizzas: They're Born, Not Delivered!" If you want to get involved at EBB, join our Professional membership (scholarship options available) and get on the wait list for our EBB Instructor program. Find an EBB Instructor here, and click here to learn more about the EBB Childbirth Class.

Introducing the My Doula Visit Workbook by Evidence Based Birth®. A tangible, interactive, and evidence-based guide designed to facilitate conversations, strengthen the doula-client relationship, and guide families through the most pressing topics related to pregnancy, birth, and postpartum. What's Inside the My Doula Visit Workbook? A 115-page, full-color, spiral-bound workbook packed with evidence-based resources Structured guides for up to six prenatal visits + one postpartum check-in (but fully customizable to your practice!) 18 official EBB handouts, birth plan templates, journaling prompts, discussion questions, activities, podcast playlists, and postpartum guides Real-life photographs, colorful graphics, and easy-to-use worksheets Access to an exclusive online resource page with additional videos, worksheets, and more! Want flexibility? No problem! Choose which sections to cover in person, virtually, or assign as self-study for your clients. Orders open on Monday, November 24 at 12:00 p.m. EST with bulk ordering discounts available. Learn more and explore the workbook at ebbirth.com/doulaworkbook. Want early access and special perks? Join the waitlist at ebbirth.com/waitlist to shop 2 hours early!

What if everyone had access to a doula, no matter their income? In this episode, Dr. Dekker talks with Amy Chen, Senior Attorney at the National Health Law Program (NHeLP), about the growing movement to make doula care accessible through Medicaid and insurance coverage. Amy shares how her personal birth experiences inspired her work advocating for Medicaid reimbursement for doulas and explains how more than 20 states (and counting) are now implementing or expanding coverage. They also unpack the biggest challenges and successes so far, from sustainable reimbursement rates and certification requirements to how doulas can navigate the Medicaid billing process. (03:17) How Amy's birth experiences led her to advocate for Medicaid coverage of doula care (06:54) The national shift toward Medicaid coverage for doulas after 2016 and early state pilots (11:50) How 23 states plus D.C. have implemented Medicaid doula benefits and what comes next (15:46) Lessons from California's rollout: raising reimbursement from $450 to $3,200 through advocacy (20:57) Why equitable reimbursement matters for sustaining the doula workforce (25:52) How families can find out if doula care is covered through Medicaid, private insurance, or employers (29:53) TRICARE's pilot program for military families and expansion to overseas bases (31:42) The challenges doulas face with Medicaid billing and how "doula hubs" help streamline the process (36:49) How upcoming federal Medicaid cuts could threaten maternal health gains (45:28) New 2024 research showing doula care cuts cesarean rates in half and lowers preterm births (48:12) Closing thoughts and key resources for doulas, advocates, and policymakers Resources NHeLP Doula Medicaid Project: https://healthlaw.org/doulamedicaidproject/ Best Practices for Medicaid Coverage of Doula Care (2025): https://healthlaw.org/doulamedicaidproject/bestpractices/ NHeLP Doula Medicaid Project State Tracker Chart: https://tinyurl.com/NHeLPStateTracker CA Department of Health Care Services Doula Benefit Implementation Report: https://www.dhcs.ca.gov/provgovpart/Documents/Doula-Benefit-Report.pdf Private Insurance Coverage of Doula Care: Spring 2025 State of the States: https://healthlaw.org/private-insurance-coverage-of-doula-care-spring-2024-state-of-the-states/ A Cost-Benefit Analysis of Doula Care from a Public Health Framework: https://healthlaw.org/resource/a-cost-benefit-analysis-of-doula-care-from-a-public-health-framework/ For more information about Evidence Based Birth® and a crash course on evidence based care, visit www.ebbirth.com. Follow us on Instagram and YouTube! Ready to learn more? Grab an EBB Podcast Listening Guide or read Dr. Dekker's book, "Babies Are Not Pizzas: They're Born, Not Delivered!" If you want to get involved at EBB, join our Professional membership (scholarship options available) and get on the wait list for our EBB Instructor program. Find an EBB Instructor here, and click here to learn more about the EBB Childbirth Class.

Hiring a doula can be one of the most impactful choices you make during pregnancy, but how do you actually find the right one? In this episode, Dr. Rebecca Dekker talks with Team EBB members and experienced doulas, Julie Fors and Chanté Perryman, to share insider tips on finding and interviewing a doula with confidence. Julie and Chanté walk you through where to begin your search, the most important questions to ask, and how to know if a doula's personality and philosophy are the right fit for you and your partner. They also tackle misconceptions about doula work, explain backup plans and postpartum support, and discuss how insurance and Medicaid are changing access to doula care. (06:19) The pillars of doula support (09:06) Where to start your doula search: Google, recommendations, and directories (12:20) Why interviews are essential before hiring a doula (17:49) Key questions to ask a potential doula (style, philosophy, postpartum support) (23:58) Backup doula plans and long labors (29:45) Common misconceptions about doulas and how to clear them up (33:30) Shifts in doula access: insurance, Medicaid, and nonprofit programs (37:06) How childbirth education and doula support work together (39:09) Tips for finding a postpartum doula and planning ahead (42:46) Overcoming nervousness about reaching out to doulas Access the EBB Signature Article, "Evidence on: Doulas" for all the scientific research on doulas + a comprehensive list of doula directories and interview questions! Resources Something new is coming! Join the waitlist: ebbirth.com/waitlist Get the Evidence on Doulas Tearaway Pads: ebbirth.com/shop Search the EBB Instructor Directory: directory.evidencebasedbirth.com/ Learn more about the EBB Childbirth Class: evidencebasedbirth.com/childbirth-class/ For more information about Evidence Based Birth® and a crash course on evidence based care, visit www.ebbirth.com. Follow us on Instagram and YouTube! Ready to learn more? Grab an EBB Podcast Listening Guide or read Dr. Dekker's book, "Babies Are Not Pizzas: They're Born, Not Delivered!" If you want to get involved at EBB, join our Professional membership (scholarship options available) and get on the wait list for our EBB Instructor program. Find an EBB Instructor here, and click here to learn more about the EBB Childbirth Class.

Can perineal massage really reduce tearing during labor? Dr. Rebecca Dekker reviews the research, revealing mixed results. She highlights how the technique is performed, the impact of biases, and the significance of skilled care. Key studies show varying benefits, with some trials suggesting no advantage at all. The discussion includes ethical concerns around consent and aggressive practices. Ultimately, the evidence points to little benefit from massage in preventing severe tears, especially in well-supported settings.

Dr. Sara Ailshire, an anthropologist and Evidence Based Birth® Research Team member, and her husband, Dr. Siavash Samei, an environmental archaeologist, share the story of welcoming their rainbow baby after loss. In this episode, Sara and Siavash open up about navigating miscarriage care in the wake of changing abortion laws in Ohio, the anxiety and hope of pregnancy after loss, and Sara's experience with developing preeclampsia near the end of her pregnancy. They describe how they worked with a supportive midwifery team, hired a doula for advocacy and comfort, and ultimately experienced an induction that honored their preferences for a low-intervention birth. Their story also sheds light on the realities of discrimination in healthcare, the importance of community support, and the resilience found in becoming parents after loss. (01:58) Facing Miscarriage in Ohio and Barriers to Care (07:35) Pregnancy After Loss: Anxiety, Detachment, and Hope (13:04) Finding Midwifery Care in Kentucky and Planning a Low-Intervention Birth (20:29) Preparing for Birth: Classes, Doulas, and Advocacy Concerns (22:37) Early Signs of Preeclampsia and Navigating Blood Pressure Monitoring (30:33) Deciding on Induction at 38 Weeks (36:39) Laboring with Support and Moving Through Transition (42:43) Birth of Ferdous and Unexpected Placenta Complications (49:34) Advocacy, Microaggressions, and the Role of the Doula (54:23) Advice for Expecting Parents: Finding Calm, Support, and Autonomy Resources Learn more about preeclampsia: www.preeclampsia.org Miscarriage Care Instructions from Kaiser Permanente: healthy.kaiserpermanente.org Dobbs-Era Abortion Restrictions and Miscarriage Care: kff.org Navigating Miscarriage Management Post-Dobbs: whijournal.com Emotional Coping After Miscarriage: americanpregnancy.org An Account of a Miscarriage at Home: miscarriageassociation.org.uk Supply List for a Miscarriage at Home: miscarriagematters.org.nz Learn about the Jada System: organonpro.com The Birthing Spa in Stanford, Kentucky: thebirthingspa.com For more information about Evidence Based Birth® and a crash course on evidence based care, visit www.ebbirth.com. Follow us on Instagram and YouTube! Ready to learn more? Grab an EBB Podcast Listening Guide or read Dr. Dekker's book, "Babies Are Not Pizzas: They're Born, Not Delivered!" If you want to get involved at EBB, join our Professional membership (scholarship options available) and get on the wait list for our EBB Instructor program. Find an EBB Instructor here, and click here to learn more about the EBB Childbirth Class.

Filmmaker Ingrid Haas is the writer and director of PUSH, a short film created in partnership with PUSH for Empowered Pregnancy to raise awareness about stillbirth prevention. In this episode, Ingrid shares her personal journey through pregnancy loss, how those experiences led her to advocate for families, and the creative process behind PUSH and the Stillness is an Illness campaign. Together, Ingrid and Dr. Dekker discuss the realities of stillbirth, the importance of listening to families' concerns, why fetal movement matters, and how storytelling can educate both the public and health professionals. Ingrid also highlights resources for parents and ways to support systemic change in U.S. protocols. Content Note: This episode discusses pregnancy loss, stillbirth, and related experiences. Please take care of yourself while listening. October is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month. For more information, visit: marchofdimes.org/pregnancyandinfantlossmonth (01:44) Ingrid's Story of Pregnancy Loss and the Road to Filmmaking (05:56) The Sliding Doors Concept Behind PUSH (10:01) Depicting Labor and the Realities of Stillbirth on Screen (17:12) The Goal of the Stillness is an Illness Campaign (21:15) Challenges of Counting Kicks and Different Pregnancy Experiences (25:29) Viewer Reactions and the Power of Feeling Seen (26:50) Why Listening Matters: Preventable Stillbirths and Provider Dismissal (29:35) A Call to Action: Signing the Petition for Updated U.S. Protocols Resources Watch the film and learn more: pushpregnancy.org Explore free stillbirth prevention resources: pushpregnancy.org/resources Check out Count the Kicks: countthekicks.org EBB 243 – Importance of Kick Counting for Preventing Stillbirth with Stephaney Moody, Health Equity Ambassador of Count the Kicks For more information about Evidence Based Birth® and a crash course on evidence based care, visit www.ebbirth.com. Follow us on Instagram and YouTube! Ready to learn more? Grab an EBB Podcast Listening Guide or read Dr. Dekker's book, "Babies Are Not Pizzas: They're Born, Not Delivered!" If you want to get involved at EBB, join our Professional membership (scholarship options available) and get on the wait list for our EBB Instructor program. Find an EBB Instructor here, and click here to learn more about the EBB Childbirth Class.

What does the newest research on Big Babies say? We'll be unpacking it all during our live 90-minute Signature Training + Q & A on Wednesday, October 15 at 7 PM EDT, exclusively for EBB Pro Members. In this session (1.5 contact hours), we'll walk you through the latest evidence, address common questions, and bring clarity to this ginormous issue in birth. You'll also get the chance to ask your biggest questions and hear directly from Dr. Rebecca Dekker and the EBB Research Team. Join us for just $29 and get 30 days of full access to everything the EBB Pro Membership offers, including the replay, our entire continuing education library, live monthly events, and a growing collection of printable PDFs to share with your clients. Click here to sign up for the EBB Pro Membership now to get the Big Babies Signature Training Replay for only $29!

Evidence based care is a term you hear often in medicine, but what does it really mean—especially when it comes to pregnancy and birth? In this episode, Dr. Rebecca Dekker takes you inside the foundations of Evidence Based Birth®, explaining what evidence based care is (and isn't), and why it matters for families, providers, and communities. Dr. Dekker breaks down the three essential pillars of evidence based care: the best available research, the provider's expertise, and the birthing person's values and preferences. She explores how care can drift away from this model when decisions are based solely on tradition, authority, or convenience rather than the evidence. Along the way, hear how families can use this knowledge to navigate common hospital policies and advocate for care that truly centers their needs. (04:22) Outdated practices and the rise of evidence based medicine (07:10) Florence Nightingale, Mary Seacole, and whose knowledge counts (010:15) The three pillars of evidence based care: research, expertise, and patient values (13:00) Understanding levels of evidence: from systematic reviews to case reports (21:40) Why clinical expertise and trusted providers matter in applying research (24:20) The role of patient values, preferences, and underlying biases (29:20) What evidence based care is, and what it is not For more information about Evidence Based Birth® and a crash course on evidence based care, visit www.ebbirth.com. Follow us on Instagram and YouTube! Ready to learn more? Grab an EBB Podcast Listening Guide or read Dr. Dekker's book, "Babies Are Not Pizzas: They're Born, Not Delivered!" If you want to get involved at EBB, join our Professional membership (scholarship options available) and get on the wait list for our EBB Instructor program. Find an EBB Instructor here, and click here to learn more about the EBB Childbirth Class.

For some, the thought of pregnancy and birth fills them with a visceral panic they can't explain. In this episode, Dr. Rebecca Dekker's talking tokophobia—the fear of pregnancy and birth—with Alexia Leachman, founder of Fearless Birthing and host of the Fear Free Childbirth Podcast. Alexia shares her personal journey of discovering and healing her own tokophobia, how she developed her unique "Head Trash Clearance" method, and why tokophobia is often misunderstood as simple anxiety. She explains the root causes of this condition, including reproductive trauma and lack of control, and offers insight on how both expectant parents and healthcare providers can better recognize and respond to it. Listening Note: As a head's up... this episode a bit different than our normal focus on the evidence. It's more focused on self help-- how to uncover blocks, find guidance and strength within, and heal past wounds. We also discuss the paradox of trying to feel in "control" in pregnancy/birth and how that relates to "letting go" and "surrending" in birth. If spirituality in birth is not your cup of tea, feel free to skip this episode! However, the topic of tokophobia is understudied, and we feel that listening to personal stories and wisdom from years of experience can be helpful. Content Note: This episode includes discussion of miscarriage, pregnancy termination, and birth trauma. Please take care of yourself while listening. (01:39) Alexia's experience with tokophobia (04:05) Developing her own method to overcome fears and preparing for birth (07:51) Discovering the root cause: birth trauma and early experiences (10:28) How media, social media, and negative birth stories fuel fear in younger people (13:40) Why the term tokophobia may be misleading (19:05) The paradox of control in pregnancy and birth (24:55) Common signs and symptoms of tokophobia (29:31) Can partners experience tokophobia? (30:50) The role of healthcare providers: language, attitudes, and trauma-informed care (34:16) Steps for healing: support groups, timing, and making the decision to face fears (41:07) Alexia's five-step process for clearing fears Resources Learn more about Fearless Birthing: fearless-birthing.com Listen to Alexia's podcast, Fear Free Childbirth: fearfreechildbirth.com/podcast For more information about Evidence Based Birth® and a crash course on evidence based care, visit www.ebbirth.com. Follow us on Instagram and YouTube! Ready to learn more? Grab an EBB Podcast Listening Guide or read Dr. Dekker's book, "Babies Are Not Pizzas: They're Born, Not Delivered!" If you want to get involved at EBB, join our Professional membership (scholarship options available) and get on the wait list for our EBB Instructor program. Find an EBB Instructor here, and click here to learn more about the EBB Childbirth Class.