

DebateMath Podcast
Chris Luzniak & Rob Baier
Welcome to the DebateMath Podcast, the show where we’re redefining what it means to debate in mathematics & education, where multiple sides of ideas are explored, evidence matters, and we all grow and learn from hearing each other.We know the world–and our classrooms–are not binary. So we lean into the gray area in our discussions. We invite on guests with differing viewpoints on the way math is taught, and listen in as they debate with each other.Come dig into any debate, where we listen to learn, not to prove someone wrong, but to deepen our understanding.
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Jan 28, 2026 • 4min
Fast Break #1 - What is the Best Tech Tool?
Text us your thoughts!In this quick follow-up to last week’s episode, we invited each of our guests to model a short, fun classroom debate. In just a few minutes, you can hear a sample debate that captures the spirit of productive mathematical argumentation—thoughful, curious, and includes reasoning. Tune in for a rapid-fire glimpse of what these debates can look like in action!You can find Ed Campos on LinkedIn & Instagram: @edcamposjr and check out his non-profit Campo Creativo (@CampoCreativo559)Follow Cal Armstrong on LinkedIn & BlueSky: @calarmstrong.bsky.socialCheck out Jed Williams on BlueSky: @jedediyah.comListened to the episode? Now, it’s your turn to share! Find us on Social Media: @DebateMath to share your thoughts. Don’t forget to check out the video version of this podcast on our YouTube channel!Keep up with all the latest info by following @DebateMath or going to debatemath.com. Follow us @Rob_Baier & @cluzniak. And don’t forget to rate and review us on Apple Podcasts!

Jan 22, 2026 • 1h 4min
Debate 48 - Is A.I. Helpful in Math Education?
Text us your thoughts!Artificial intelligence has exploded onto the scene with promises of personalized learning, instant feedback, and round-the-clock tutoring. Some teachers say it’s transforming how students engage with mathematics. Others worry it’s turning problem-solving into copy-and-paste, eroding reasoning, and creating a generation of students who can “get answers” but can’t explain them. So today, we’re exploring whether AI is a powerful tool that enhances learning? Or just another hindrance for teachers and students? As we explore the question: Is AI helpful in math education?Jed mentioned the book Fairness and Machine Learning Ed mentioned some resources, including:Ed Tech & AI Guidance for Math Leaders - NCSM My Notebook LM on AI Guidance- Notebook LM Common Sense Media resources for families, students, and teachers on understanding AI’s impact on Education and Kids AIedu also has great ‘snapshot’ convos to weave into your classroom A former NCTM President’s Message was mentioned as well You can find Ed Campos on LinkedIn & Instagram: @edcamposjr and check out his non-profit Campo Creativo (@CampoCreativo559)Follow Cal Armstrong on LinkedIn & BlueSky: @calarmstrong.bsky.socialCheck out Jed Williams on online: jedediyah.comListened to the episode? Now, it’s your turn to share! Find us on Social Media: @DebateMath to share your thoughts. Don’t forget to check out the video version of this podcast on our YouTube channel!Keep up with all the latest info by following @DebateMath or going to debatemath.com. Follow us @Rob_Baier & @cluzniak. And don’t forget to rate and review us on Apple Podcasts!

Dec 11, 2025 • 1h 10min
Debate 47 - How Can We Support Teachers?
In this engaging roundtable, Jodi Bailey, a math specialist and educator, Vanessa Vakharia, a math therapist, Phonisha Hawkins, an instructional leader, Dan Kaufmann, a seasoned math educator, and Brittany Heggie, founder of MixinMath, tackle the pressing issue of supporting math teachers. They discuss the need for improved pre-service training, combating teacher math anxiety, and the importance of empathetic leadership. The guests also share strategies for rekindling teachers' passion for math and emphasize how targeted professional development can create lasting change.

Nov 13, 2025 • 37min
Debate 46 - Should We Teach Analog Clocks?
Text us your thoughts!What are your thoughts about teaching how to read analog clocks? In this month’s debate we’re diving into a question that might seem small at first, but actually gets at some big ideas about education, tradition, and the skills we think are essential for the next generation, especially in light of all the technology available. Since digital clocks can be found all over (including in our pockets), should students still learn how to read an analog clock? (That’s a clock with the minute and hour hands moving in a circle.) As educators, we know that time is precious. There’s a lot of content we need to teach. So we wanted to explore this idea in more detail with our latest debate resolution: Should We Teach Students to Read an Analog Clock?You can learn more about both of our guests and their work on the Mix and Math website.Follow Christy Harper on Instagram: @mathwithmsharper Follow Brittany Hege on all social media: @mixandmath Listened to the episode? Now, it’s your turn to share! Find us on Social Media: @DebateMath to share your thoughts. Don’t forget to check out the video version of this podcast on our YouTube channel!Keep up with all the latest info by following @DebateMath or going to debatemath.com. Follow us @Rob_Baier & @cluzniak. And don’t forget to rate and review us on Apple Podcasts!

Oct 9, 2025 • 56min
Debate 45 - More Reading or More Math?
Text us your thoughts!Imagine you had a magic wand and could add an extra 30–40 minutes to the school day. How would you use it? Would you dedicate that time to Reading or to Math—and why? That’s the debate we dove into, with two teams facing off in this live debate, answering the big question: Should schools spend more time on Reading or on Math?*This is a recording of a LIVE debate from the Hamilton County ESC Explore Mathematics Conference*You read more about the work of Carolyn Turner and her colleagues at the ODE Literacy Website Feel free to reach out to Chris Irick via email: chris.irick@ohioctm.orgYou can find Dr. Lori Cargile at the Hamilton County ESCFollow Dr. Crystal Watson on all social media: @_CrystalMWatson, or email her at watsocr@cpsboe.k12.oh.us Listened to the episode? Now, it’s your turn to share! Find us on Social Media: @DebateMath to share your thoughts. Don’t forget to check out the video version of this podcast on our YouTube channel!Keep up with all the latest info by following @DebateMath or going to debatemath.com. Follow us @Rob_Baier & @cluzniak. And don’t forget to rate and review us on Apple Podcasts!

Sep 23, 2025 • 9min
Mini DebateMath Lesson #7
Text us your thoughts!This is the seventh (and final) episode with our guests demonstrating various classroom debate routines. In this episode, we put everything together: using a discourse routine, modeling listening skills, and preparing both sides of a debate. Tune in as guest debaters Mike and Zak dive into a final example with us! Follow Mike Flynn on social media: @mikeflynn55Follow Zak Champagne on social media: @zakchampAnd check out the FlynnEducation website: flynneducation.comListened to the episode? Now, it’s your turn to share! Find us on Social Media: @DebateMath to share your thoughts. Don’t forget to check out the video version of this podcast on our YouTube channel!Keep up with all the latest info by following @DebateMath or going to debatemath.com. Follow us @Rob_Baier & @cluzniak. And don’t forget to rate and review us on Apple Podcasts!

Sep 17, 2025 • 5min
Mini DebateMath Lesson #6
Text us your thoughts!This is the sixth of seven episodes where our guests demonstrate various classroom debate routines. In this episode, we see another example of the routine where students have to prepare both sides of an argument ahead of time: a Point-Counterpoint Debate. Tune in as guest debaters Mike and Zak dive into an example of this!Follow Mike Flynn on social media: @mikeflynn55Follow Zak Champagne on social media: @zakchampAnd check out the FlynnEducation website: flynneducation.comListened to the episode? Now, it’s your turn to share! Find us on Social Media: @DebateMath to share your thoughts. Don’t forget to check out the video version of this podcast on our YouTube channel!Keep up with all the latest info by following @DebateMath or going to debatemath.com. Follow us @Rob_Baier & @cluzniak. And don’t forget to rate and review us on Apple Podcasts!

Sep 11, 2025 • 6min
Mini DebateMath Lesson #5
Text us your thoughts!This is the fifth of seven episodes where our guests demonstrate various classroom debate routines. In this example, we explore a routine where students have to prepare both sides of an argument ahead of time: a Point-Counterpoint Debate. Tune in as guest debaters Mike and Zak dive into an example of this!Follow Mike Flynn on social media: @mikeflynn55Follow Zak Champagne on social media: @zakchampAnd check out the FlynnEducation website: flynneducation.comListened to the episode? Now, it’s your turn to share! Find us on Social Media: @DebateMath to share your thoughts. Don’t forget to check out the video version of this podcast on our YouTube channel!Keep up with all the latest info by following @DebateMath or going to debatemath.com. Follow us @Rob_Baier & @cluzniak. And don’t forget to rate and review us on Apple Podcasts!

Sep 3, 2025 • 8min
Mini DebateMath Lesson #4
Text us your thoughts!This is the fourth of seven episodes where our guests demonstrate various classroom debate routines. In this example, we dig further into the listening routine of Circle Debates. Tune in as guest debaters Mike and Zak dive into an example of this!Follow Mike Flynn on social media: @mikeflynn55Follow Zak Champagne on social media: @zakchampAnd check out the FlynnEducation website: flynneducation.comListened to the episode? Now, it’s your turn to share! Find us on Social Media: @DebateMath to share your thoughts. Don’t forget to check out the video version of this podcast on our YouTube channel!Keep up with all the latest info by following @DebateMath or going to debatemath.com. Follow us @Rob_Baier & @cluzniak. And don’t forget to rate and review us on Apple Podcasts!

Aug 26, 2025 • 7min
Mini DebateMath Lesson #3
Text us your thoughts!This is the third of seven episodes where our guests demonstrate various classroom debate routines. In this example, we extend the routine from the previous episodes to really encourage listening. Tune in as guest debaters Mike and Zak dive into an example of this!Follow Mike Flynn on social media: @mikeflynn55Follow Zak Champagne on social media: @zakchampAnd check out the FlynnEducation website: flynneducation.comListened to the episode? Now, it’s your turn to share! Find us on Social Media: @DebateMath to share your thoughts. Don’t forget to check out the video version of this podcast on our YouTube channel!Keep up with all the latest info by following @DebateMath or going to debatemath.com. Follow us @Rob_Baier & @cluzniak. And don’t forget to rate and review us on Apple Podcasts!


