The Burnouts with Phoebe & Sophia

Haley Kalil, a multifaceted model, creator, and comedian, shares her remarkable journey—from biomedical science to winning beauty pageants and gracing the covers of Sports Illustrated. She discusses her viral success on YouTube, financial independence after divorce, and the unique pressures successful women face in dating. Haley provides insight into monetizing content and maintaining authenticity as a top creator. Prepare for a candid conversation filled with laughter, personal growth, and lessons for aspiring creators.

Alyson Stoner, a former Disney star and mental health advocate, shares her journey through the pressures of Hollywood. She opens up about battling an eating disorder and the quest for self-discovery. The discussion highlights the toxic environment of child stardom and the false promises of 'exposure.' Alyson reveals powerful tools for mental health management, emphasizing mindfulness and the importance of reclaiming personal agency. She reflects on finding purpose beyond fame and navigating the challenges of social media, while advocating for a healthier approach to success.

Beauty founder, podcast queen, brand builder—Lauryn Bosstick turned a $50 blog into The Skinny Confidential empire.In this episode of The Burnouts, Lauryn joins Phoebe and Sophia in Austin, TX to talk about building a cult brand from scratch. From sleeping in her car during sorority rush to creating one of the world’s most downloaded podcasts, Lauryn shares how she built her brand brick by brick—with no investors, no shortcuts, and no selling out.She gets real about early burnout, building slowly with intention, and why executing (not overthinking) is the secret to everything. Plus: what makes someone a great podcast guest, how she evaluates brand deals, and the hilarious parenting trick she swears by (cookie water, anyone?)Also: foot spas, Think Week, and how not having an iPhone gave Phoebe character.🕯️✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF THE PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE  ✨🕯️CHAPTERS00:00 – From sorority dropout to brand founder02:30 – Why she launched The Skinny Confidential05:00 – Blogging 7 days a week for 3 years (with $0)10:10 – Turning down money (and why she’s proud of it)12:30 – Lauryn’s funnel: how she vets guests + brand deals16:10 – The advice she gives every 20-something brand builder17:00 – The one hire every founder should make first20:45 – Think Week, foot spas, and strategic solitude27:00 – How she uses branding tricks to parent toddlers30:00 – Personal vs public: what Lauryn won’t post online35:00 – Resourcefulness over resumes in the age of AI38:00 – The biggest mistake most creatives make🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniLauryn Bosstick🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn

In this insightful discussion, Morgan Housel, a Partner at Collaborative Fund and author of 'The Psychology of Money,' tackles the misconceptions surrounding wealth and income. He reveals why chasing paychecks won’t lead to real riches and how ownership beats salary. The conversation dives into elderly regrets about money, the evolving American Dream, and the psychological impact of social media on financial anxiety. Housel also highlights how gender influences our approach to risk and ambition, providing a fresh perspective on what it truly means to be 'rich.'

Morgan Housel, a partner at the Collaborative Fund and author of the bestselling "The Psychology of Money," shares his remarkable journey from valet to financial guru. He reveals how fear shaped his approach to money and why most people play the wrong game when it comes to finance. Housel discusses the transformations in his financial mindset after becoming a dad, his regret over one extravagant gift meant to impress, and the importance of genuine self-worth beyond material possessions.

Kara Swisher, a renowned tech journalist known for her incisive interviews with Silicon Valley's elite, joins the conversation. She shares her journey from critiquing The Washington Post as a college student to becoming a formidable voice in tech. Kara emphasizes the importance of negotiating for fair pay and owning one's intellectual property in a male-dominated industry. She dives into the bizarre behaviors of tech moguls and the need for journalists to hold them accountable. Expect behind-the-scenes stories and a powerful message about women taking charge in their careers!

In a captivating discussion, Karlie Kloss, a model, investor, and founder of Kode With Klossy, dives into her fascinating journey from runway to tech. She reveals how early burnout led her to pivot towards empowering women in STEM. Karlie shares stories about funding her nonprofit through brand deals and her unique investments, including tampons! She emphasizes the importance of trusting instincts, navigating fame, and using her platform to advocate for reproductive rights, all while inspiring the next generation of women in both fashion and technology.

Sophia Bush, actress, activist, and investor known for her role in One Tree Hill, shares her journey from Hollywood to angel investing with hosts Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni. She reveals how a surprising $10,000 investment in Uber sparked her financial success. Sophia discusses the harsh realities of pay disparities in acting, the importance of women's empowerment in finance, and her initiatives like launching inclusive salons. She offers practical advice for women seeking to build wealth and underscores that making profit and doing good can go hand in hand.

Paris Hilton joins the conversation, sharing her journey from heiress to mogul, and revealing how she crafted her iconic 'dumb blonde' persona into a powerful brand. She discusses the empowerment that came from being underestimated and her passion for activism, including her impactful testimony before Congress. Paris dives into her love for angel numbers, the challenges of juggling multiple businesses, and parenting with intention. Plus, she offers invaluable insights on brand building and the quirky world of DJ paychecks!

200,000 downloads. A tagline that finally made people “get it.” And a few hard lessons along the way.In this episode of The Burnouts, co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni unpack the marketing experiments that helped Phia find traction—from trial reels and creator guides to AI-generated scripts and TikTok reach campaigns. They share what worked, what didn’t, and what they’re still learning about building a brand from scratch.They also talk about the power of a clear metaphor (“Google Flights for fashion”), the pressure of launching on the same day as a major podcast appearance, and why community has been their most valuable asset.Also: how Kris Jenner got involved...📲 Download the Phia app to start saving money: www.phia.com🕯️✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF YOUR ORDER ON THE LIMITED-EDITION PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE → https://go.shopmy.us/p-18806798 ✨🕯🔍 CHAPTERS2:00 – Launching Phia the same day as Call Her Daddy6:20 – Trial Reels: our low-cost growth engine8:45 – Our best-performing hook11:15 – TikTok flops, LinkedIn wins, and why Substack matters13:10 – The hack to community-building15:00 – How we use AI to write scripts that work17:30 – The SEO agency mistake we won’t make again19:10 – The "special sauce" in a marketing hire🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia Kianni🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedInSubscribe to The Burnouts for exclusive conversations with today’s top founders and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by former Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, this isn’t just another founder podcast—it’s untold conversations and the unfiltered reality of what it takes to build your dream career in your 20s.Guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more visionaries defining the brands—and blueprints—of our time. Whether you’re dreaming big or building now, these are the conversations that will show you how it’s done (and what no one else tells you).🔔 Subscribe now to get the blueprint for building your dream career