The Burnouts with Phoebe & Sophia

Eileen Gu, an Olympic gold medalist, fashion model, and Stanford student, dives into her multifaceted life. She candidly discusses post-Olympic burnout and the challenge of defining success on her own terms. Eileen shares insights on negotiating brand deals at a young age and the pressures of being a visible young woman. She reflects on the importance of self-worth learned through solo travel, her journey through the fashion world, and the realities of balancing athletics and academics while embracing her identity.

What if your side hustle made you a millionaire—and taught millions of women how to become one too?In this episode of The Burnouts, Vivian Tu (@Your.RichBFF) joins Phoebe and Sophia to unpack the story behind her Wall Street-to-TikTok glow-up, the money myths that hold women back, and how she’s rewriting financial literacy for a new generation.Vivian opens up about surviving workplace racism, being your office’s unofficial 401(k) whisperer, and building a media empire that started with one viral video—and became a New York Times bestselling book, a chart-topping podcast, and a full-time career.She also shares the real talk behind her relationship: who paid more rent, how German cockroaches accidentally fast-tracked her move-in, and why every couple should go on “dessert walks.”Also: the genius trick to automating your savings without even thinking about it.❤️✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF YOUR ORDER ON THE LIMITED-EDITION PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE  ✨❤️🔍 CHAPTERS1:02 – Why dating gets harder when women get more successful4:55 – How to actually budget (no spreadsheets, no shame)8:00 – What to do with your first paycheck13:50 – Getting pushed out of Wall Street—and finding a new path18:20 – When to quit your job for your side hustle30:55 – Talking about money in relationships (without making it weird) 🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniVivian Tu🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedin 📖 Read Rich AF🎧 Listen to Networth and Chill📲 Download the Phia app to start saving money Subscribe to The Burnouts for exclusive interviews with the thinkers, founders, and creatives shaping culture and business today. As former Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni bring rare access and real curiosity to every guest—cutting through the noise to get to what actually matters. It’s not just another founder podcast. This is what building in your 20s really looks like—unscripted, in-progress, and surprisingly honest.

❤️✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF YOUR ORDER ON THE LIMITED-EDITION PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE  ✨❤️What if heartbreak was the beginning of your empire?In this episode of The Burnouts, entrepreneur and creative director Chriselle Lim sits down with Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni to unpack how she went from TikTok’s “rich mom” to co-owning Phlur, a $100M+ fragrance brand.From the ashes of burnout and divorce, Chriselle rebuilt her life—and helped reshape how fragrance is built, branded, and sold. She shares the story behind Missing Person (the perfume with a 250K waitlist that changed everything) and how reinvention became her real superpower. Also: the bamboo tree metaphor that will stick with you forever.📲 Download the Phia app to start saving → www.join.phia.com🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniChriselle LimPhlur🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedin 📲 Download the Phia app to start saving money while you shop today.About The BurnoutsAs former Stanford roommates turned startup founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni are building more than a business—they’re building a bold new conversation. The Burnouts dives into the chaos of creation, covering everything from personal reinvention and product meltdowns to friendship, finances, and fear. With top guests like Kris Jenner, Danielle Guizio, and Whitney Wolfe Herd, this is your behind-the-scenes playbook for building on your own terms.

Danielle Guizio, a fashion founder and designer of the celebrity-loved Guizio brand, shares her inspiring journey of building a viral empire with a mere $400. She talks about the ups and downs of starting a brand with no connections and how she recovered from surgery while managing massive orders. Danielle reveals her $2M Black Friday strategy, the art of negotiating at a young age, and her unique hiring criteria. Plus, she emphasizes the power of social media and personal determination in turning side hustles into global successes.

Whitney Wolfe Herd, the visionary Founder and CEO of Bumble, shares insights on building a women-first platform and the innovative shift towards smaller, AI-powered teams. She candidly discusses hiring blunders that nearly derailed her company and the fallout of hustle culture. Whitney emphasizes energy management as crucial for success and unveils surprising growth hacks, like inflatable bees! She also reflects on personal burnout and the emerging trend of friendship-first dating, promoting authentic connections in a tech-driven world.

What do you do when the world tells you to tone it down? If you’re Chelsea Handler, you turn up the volume—on confidence, career, and comedy. In this unapologetic and hilarious episode of The Burnouts, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni sit down with the legendary comedian and bestselling author who’s built an empire on not giving a f***. They talk through confidence myths, investor pitch chaos, stand-up breakthroughs, and why Chelsea bought her ex 35 trees. Also: why burnout might actually be your breakthrough. Chapters1:22 – were you always this confident?6:14 – how to say no (and mean it)11:02 – kids, career, and confidence clashes15:00 – real estate, financial freedom & female power21:06 – mushrooms with your landscaper & other business lessons25:45 – dating while dominating30:12 – women, work, and not shrinking yourself Follow usPhoebe GatesSophia KianniChelsea Handler Follow The BurnoutsYoutube @theburnoutspodcastInstagram @theburnoutsTikTok: @theburnoutsLinkedIn: /the-burnouts Subscribe for more bold convos with iconic women, founders, and disruptors who are burning down old systems and building what’s next.Download the Phia app to start saving money at join.phia.com About the BurnoutsAs former Stanford roommates and now business partners, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni share their experience as startup founders and the chaos of building something new—covering everything from pitching VCs to maintaining friendships, decoding financial literacy, and finding power in female-driven storytelling. With candid conversations and top guests (like Kris Jenners and Sara Blakely), The Burnouts is your go-to for smart, hilarious, and sometimes chaotic advice on how to build your career on your own terms.

Sara Blakely, the innovative founder of Spanx, joins the conversation to share her inspiring journey from selling fax machines to becoming a billionaire. She reveals her unique mindset hacks that sparked the creation of Spanx and discusses the importance of trusting the universe for signs—one of which came from Oprah! Sara candidly shares lessons on hiring, firing, and knowing when to pivot in business. With stories of her crazy hustles, she emphasizes the significance of confidence and resilience for aspiring entrepreneurs, especially women.

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Feeling lost in the chaos of the economy right now? Same. Between inflation, tariffs, and TikTok panic, it feels like we’re all one iced coffee away from a full-blown recession spiral.In this episode of The Burnouts, Sophia Kianni and Phoebe Gates call in financial dominatrix Haley Sacks — aka @MrsDowJones — for a much-needed crash course in surviving your first economic downturn. We talk Roth IRAs, recession anxiety, index funds, investing FOMO, and why press-on nails might just be the ultimate economic indicator.Whether you’re getting your first paycheck, trying to start investing, or just wondering WTF to do with your money, this episode is for you.💸 It’s funny. It’s practical. And it might just change your financial future. 🔖 CHAPTERS0:00 – Our first economic freakout2:15 – Should we actually be scared?5:20 – The only money moves that matter right now9:45 – Haley’s worst investment ever13:00 – Roth IRAs, index funds & investing without crying17:20 – Budgeting when your paycheck hits21:10 – Renting, home buying, and financial hot takes 📚 RESOURCES Free Emergency Fund PlannerInvestment Returns Calculator3 Index Funds We LoveFree Customized Money PlanMoney Book 2.0Investing 101& more HERE! Mrs. Dow Jones Instagram & Newsletter 🔗 FOLLOW US@theburnouts@phoebegates@sophiakianni@mrsdowjones

Kris Jenner, the savvy matriarch behind the Kardashian empire, shares her incredible journey from flight attendant to billionaire. She reveals her secret to overcoming rejection with creativity, like using brownies to negotiate. The conversation highlights the importance of confidence, the art of vintage fashion, and the power of manifestation in business. Kris also discusses valuable lessons for young women entrepreneurs and how clean car interiors can impact your life. Get ready for inspiration and practical advice from this iconic mom-ager!