The Creative Nonfiction Podcast with Brendan O'Meara

"Yeah, join the club of people who feel inadequate," says Dana Jeri Maier, a cartoonist and author of the graphic book on creativity Skip to the Fun Parts.This incredible artist is the author of Skip to the Fun Parts: Cartoons and Complaints About the Creative Process. It’s one of the best books on creativity because it deals with doubt, it deals with jealousy, it deals with ideas, it deals with perfectionism. Dana is a hilarious cartoonist and you should pick up a Front Runner and also a copy of Skip to the Fun Parts.I’ve long wanted to be a cartoonist. I know there’s no perfect job, but I love the idea of creating something funny and whimsical and not having to talk to as many people as being a biographer entails.Dana, Dana, Dana, is a contributor to the New Yorker Daily Shouts and the creator behind the cartoon series The Worried Well. She has illustrated for The Phillips Collection, the DC Public Library, Politics and Prose, and Museum Hack. She’s into improv and she lives in DC with her two cats and man husband.We talk about her influences, voice and style, how she doesn’t trust anyone with a neat desk, bad ideas, jealousy, and a lot more. She’s a real treat.Learn more about her at danajerimaier.com and on IG @danajerimaier.Order The Front RunnerNewsletter: Rage Against the AlgorithmWelcome to Pitch ClubShow notes: brendanomeara.com

"You're an outsider. And as you linger in that space, you start to become an insider ...  but you're still an outsider. Don't forget that, even though you know more about it, you're an insider and an outsider," says Jeff Sharlet about when he's reporting on, say, far-right religious groups.OK, we’ve got Jeff Sharlet, which is pretty stunning when you think about it. I mean, this guy is the author of The Undertow: Scenes from a Slow Civil War, The Family, among other books. He often covers the far right and far-right fundamentalism and what’s he’s been able to document is scary and often unsettling. We don’t dig too much into that, because mainly we just talk about doing this kind of work. It was really a fun and illuminating conversation and I’m pretty stoked.He teaches writing and creative nonfiction at Dartmouth College. That was where I desperately wanted to go to school. I was set to be their starting shortstop, but I couldn’t get my goddam SATs above remedial and thus I attended good ol’ UMass … back in the late 1990s, if you could funnel a beer in five seconds you got a scholarship #yoloIn this episode, Jeff and I riff about: His key influences Treating your book badly as a way of treating it well Using your outsiderness to your advantage His love of sportswriting, or interest in sportswriting, despite not following sports And real toads in imaginary gardensYou can learn more about Jeff and his work @jeffsharlet on Substack and his newsletter there called Scenes from a Slow Civil War … I admire people like Jeff who are just so damn smart in how they articulate things seemingly on the fly. Meanwhile, ya boi BO sounds about as coherent as a chimpanzee.Order The Front RunnerNewsletter: Rage Against the AlgorithmWelcome to Pitch ClubShow notes: brendanomeara.com

"I'm a guy who needs a lede. I need the lede to work. I need it to be compelling. And it doesn't have to be the best place to begin. It just has to be a place to begin that works and that amuses and sucks you in. I. So once I have a lede, then that will lead to another place," says Nick Paumgarten.Wow, so today we have Nick Paumgarten and can I tell you something? Nick has long been my favorite New Yorker profile writer. Whether it’s profiling Mikaela Shiffrin or Mr. Money Mustache, or features about elevators, teaching birds to migrate, the Eagles winning the Super Bowl, or a feature about a sketchy restaurateur; he is appointment reading. I see his name in the table of contents of an issue of The New Yorker and I will stop just about everything I’m doing and spend the next hour or so reading Nick’s work. Over the years, he’s been the model, for me, as the perfect profile writer.Nick is a long-time New Yorker staff writer. You know, it’s funny, since I’ve never landed a big feature at a big magazine like the New Yorker, I kinda feel like a phony, a fake writer, even though I have two books under my belt. When Nick and I were off mic, he was saying how because he hasn’t published a book yet, he feels like a fake writer. This is Nick Paumgarten (!) saying he feels like a phony. It goes to show, none of us feel good about ourselves.In this episode, we talk about: The reporting suggesting the root system of a piece Loosening your grip Stories being like a rip tide Need a lede to work first Befriending chronology And the nerderyI mean, great stuff. I was finally put in touch with Nick by CNF Pod alum Jared Sullivan, the author of the brilliant book Valley So Low, of Ep. 443 fame, and I’m so glad we got to make this happen.Order The Front RunnerNewsletter: Rage Against the AlgorithmWelcome to Pitch ClubShow notes: brendanomeara.com

David Howard, a journalist known for his gripping nonfiction, shares his journey into storytelling, including his daring piece on a hitman. He highlights the vital role of nonverbal communication and the need to find stories that resonate deeply. Jonah Ogles, lead editor at The Atavist, dives into the intricacies of refining narrative tension and the significance of effective collaboration. Together, they champion the art of storytelling through personal risk-taking, learning from failures, and the emotional connections forged in the process.

"The story is the horse, and the writer is the rider of the horse, and you as the editor, need to help guide them along. And if the rider starts to fall off, you put them back on, and it's your job to lead them safely into the barn. At no point should you shove the rider off the horse, get on yourself and ride it into the distance," says Amanda Heckert, executive editor of Garden & Gun.Amanda Heckert is something of a wunderkind and an absolute boss of an editor.In this episode we talk about: How she tells her writers to let it rip (within reason) How she found empathy for the writer side of the table, and how writers can better understand the POV of the editor side Writing a great pitch How a story is a horse the writer is the rider And the arc of her career that brought her back to her native South CarolinaYou can learn more about Amanda at gardenandgun.com and follow her on IG @amandaheckert.This episodes opens with an audio excerpt of The Front Runner, read by Roger Wayne.Order The Front RunnerNewsletter: Rage Against the AlgorithmWelcome to Pitch ClubShow notes: brendanomeara.com

"If you don't cultivate other interests or travel or spend time with friends, this and that, you don't have anything to write about," says Dane Huckelbridge, author of Queen of All Mayhem (William Morrow).Dane returns to the show to talk about his latest book, but also a smattering of other juicy writer topics such as: Procrastination Writing around the uncertainty Not having much of a routine Spacing out Niche hobbies And staying motivatedDane can be found at danehuckelbridge.com and on IG @huckelbridge.This episodes opens with an audio excerpt of The Front Runner, read by Roger Wayne.Order The Front RunnerNewsletter: Rage Against the AlgorithmWelcome to Pitch ClubShow notes: brendanomeara.com

In this engaging discussion, Yi Shun Lai, an accomplished author and instructor known for her diverse genres, explores the concept of "arrival fallacy"—the idea that reaching your goals will bring ultimate satisfaction. She shares how reconfiguring her creative "fireworks" fuels her passion for new projects. The conversation touches on the challenges of financial stability for writers, the importance of kindness to oneself, and fostering a supportive literary community. Lai's insights inspire resilience and creativity amidst the pressures of the writing journey.

Hampton Sides, a bestselling author known for works like 'Ghost Soldiers' and 'Hellhound on His Trail,' shares his transition from journalism to narrative history. He discusses how he balances extensive research with his writing process, often inspired in coffee shops or late at night. Sides recounts humorous moments, including dealing with barking dogs during the conversation. Additionally, he reflects on the complexities of writing about historical figures like Captain Cook, navigating modern challenges, and the integral role of curiosity in storytelling.

"I talked to my wife, and she was like, 'You're probably tired. You've been writing this book non stop for six months, and you probably just need a break. Like, go get a gelato and chill out.' And I was like, 'I can't,' then I was like, 'All right, fine, I will.' And then I  ate a bunch of ice cream and watched the Pam Anderson documentary on Netflix in the middle of the day. And after, I don't know, four or five days, I had an idea, and I was like, ready to get back to work," says Melissa Febos on Episode 472.Melissa is the author of five books of nonfiction, including her latest, The Dry Season: A Memoir of Pleasure in a Year Without Sex (Knopf).In this conversation, we talk about: Writing in community Literary stardom Being a weirdo Wile E. Coyote The jealousy dragon The theory of bottoms And the liberation of quitting thingsReally rich stuff. You can learn more about Melissa at melissafebos.com and follow her on IG @melissafebos.Order The Front RunnerNewsletter: Rage Against the AlgorithmShow notes: brendanomeara.com

"We are sort of drinking from a fire hose of content right now. And it makes me wonder, because I feel like I'm stuck on this wheel that I have to produce all the time. Do I even want to write for money anymore? I don't know," says Cassidy Randall, author of the book Thirty Below, and back for her second Atavist story "The Longest Journey."Writing is in her bones, so she's not quitting, but the freelance production wheel is tough.We talk about: The productivity wheel Earning trust for stories Constructing a headline and subhead to focus a story And how best to immerse readers in a storyLearn more about Cassidy at cassidyrandall.com and @cassidyrandall on Instagram.Order The Front RunnerNewsletter: Rage Against the AlgorithmShow notes: brendanomeara.com