
Running long - A trail and ultra running talk
Vert is the home for every trail & ultra runner. On this podcast we host conversations with key members of our Trail & Ultra running community from all over the world. From professional world class athletes to our Vert.run members and community. Narrating captivating stories and learning from and about this amazing sport.
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Jan 24, 2024 • 45min
113. Voices from the Vert.run community: Kristin Jensen | Trail running in Denmark, training with Vert, running long and backyard ultras
Kristin Jensen is a trail runner from Denmark and a Vert.run explore athlete. Kristin is a passionate runner whose goal is, like many other athletes that we coach, to run longer, faster and stronger while having fun in the process. In this episode we talk about being a trail runner in Denmark, probably not the most typical place you would think when it comes to running on trails or in the mountains, about Kristin’s experience with training with Vert, developing community, navigating the ups and down of training and racing, goal setting and much more.
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Jan 17, 2024 • 1h 11min
112. Katie Schide | All the little things add up
Katie Schide is a professional trail runner for The North Face from the US, living in France.
Katie is one of the most well known and established trail runners in the world: she’s just been awarded the second place of the Trail Runner of the Year Award presented by Freetrail, and as well as the second place of the historic Ultra Runner of the Year Award by Ultrarunning Magazine.
She’s a 2021 UTMB winner, a 2023 Western States runner up, with a time that would have won every edition but last year, she also placed second at OCC and she won Diagonal de Fous in 2023, besides a long list of world class performances in the past years in her resume.
Katie currently lives in the Mercantour region of the French Alps with her partner, elite trail runner himself, Germain Grangier. She’s a geologist, and she loves spending long days moving through the mountains – whether that be running, skiing, biking, or a combination of all three.
In this episode we talk about Katie’s training and approach to racing, dealing with sponsors, media and brands, living in France and about the current state of the sport of trail running.
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Jan 10, 2024 • 1h 18min
111. Common misconceptions in training for trail and ultra running
In this episode we talk about some common misconceptions in training for trail and ultras.
With the recent increase in participation in trail and ultrarunning and more and more people coming to trail running from the roads or other endurance sports, team sports, or from being sedentary, we felt a need to discuss some common myths and not always accurate ideas about training for trail and ultras, such as that training for trails and ultras will make you slow, that you have to live in the mountains in order to succeed at trail running, that you have to commit to either roads or trails.
If you have any further questions, topics or doubts that you would like us to discuss here on the podcast, please let us know and get in touch! You can send us a message on Instagram, or in question box on spotify where you can submit your questions.
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Jan 3, 2024 • 56min
110. Dan Curts | Trail and road fitness, Northswood Athletic Team, trail running on the East Coast
Dan Curts is a professional trail runner for Brooks coming from New Hampshire, United States.
With PRs of 3:43 in the 1500m, sub 4 min in the mile and 13:38 in the 5000m, Dan is a really fast, really talented runner who’s main focus is on mountain running and the sub ultra distances. This year he won the US mountain running up and down champs and has competed at the world trail and mountain running championships in Innsbruck.
In this episode we talk about Dan’s training, how road and track fitness can translate into trail fitness, trail workouts vs track and road running workouts; we talk about the Northswood Athletic Team and training with a track star like Ben True, we talk about the trail scene in the East of the united states, where Dan is based with his girlfriend Lauren Gregory and teammate Eric Lipuma.
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Dec 20, 2023 • 1h 18min
109. Max Keith | The Speed Project Atacama 2023
Our own Max Keith just ran The Speed Project Atacama, a 500km crossing of the Atacama Desert that is not just a race, it’s an adventure, a deep dive into the unknown, a shared experience with all the participants and crews, an introspective journey across one’s emotions and soul.
The only rule of this event is that there are no rules, and that you need to cover the approximately 500km between start and finish, alone or in a team of six participants. The spirit of the race manifests in the desire to overcome one’s limits by covering distances that seem impossible, with the sole aim of succeeding.
Unfortunately, we can’t give you a link to sign up to this race, because there are no links, no website, no official organization.
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Dec 13, 2023 • 60min
108. James Huw | Trail running and climate action: why the environmental issue should be a key topic of every discussion related to outdoor sports
James Huw is a trail runner, a science presenter, a geologist, astronomy and climate scientist from Wales, UK.
James’ mission is to communicate science, make science cool and accessible to people. With Kilian Jornet he founded the Athlete Climate Academy, a place to give outdoor athletes the background they need to discuss climate change and environmental issues with confidence.
In this episode we talk about the language of science and how science should be a leading force of our society. We discuss the needs of individual and collective action when it comes to climate change, the impact of trail running and the outdoor industry on the environment, advocating for systemic change, and some actions that we can easily implement as individuals to have a greater positive impact on climate change.
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Dec 6, 2023 • 1h 9min
107. Emkay Sullivan | Redefining plans, dealing with fatigue and understanding ourselves through running
Emkay Sullivan is a professional trail runner for Craft from Reno, Nevada, United States.
After a long and challenging year full of success but also some setbacks, Emkay decided to put off her final goal of 2023 and not run CIM, California International Marathon.
In this episode talk about the challenge of training, the difficulty of redefining goals and adjusting a plan, how toughness sometimes can be just admitting to ourselves how tired we are sometimes, and how we get to decide whether we can use failure or joy and positive emotions to fuel our motivation to run.
We also talk about Emkay’s experience as a coach, why she still finds it very beneficial to have a coach for herself, how she monitors her training and her athletes’ training, some things that she learned through her coaching experience.
Besides being a pro athlete, Emkay is also the co-host of the sub hub podcast, which is part of the freetrail network and has been a great voice in the trail space to further develop the sub ultra and mountain running interest.
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Nov 29, 2023 • 53min
106. Malen Osa | From the Basque Country, with a strong will to leave a mark in trail running
Malen Osa is a professional trail runner for Salomon living in Spain, in the Basque Country.
Malen is only 20 years old and has had a breakthrough season in 2023, placing fourth overall in the final ranking Golden Trail World Series, and top 5 at Dolomyths Run, Pikes Peak Ascent and Mammoth Trail Fest. She’s definitely one of the most interesting young talents in the sport, someone to keep an eye on over the next few years.
In this episode, we chat about her sports background and education, growing up in the basque country, dealing with great success and some setbacks, training, cross training and her passion for endurance sports.
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Nov 22, 2023 • 1h 17min
105. Emily Hawgood | The joy of running + training discussions: training data, athlete-coach relationship, strength training, altitude training
Emily Hawgood is a professional trail and ultra runner from Zimbabwe sponsored by Adidas Terrex. Emily is one of the most wonderful and cheerful people I know, not just in the sport of running, and she’s one of the strongest trail athletes in the world, especially in the 100k-100m distance. She’s also a running coach, a strength coach, she studied Exercise Science at the College of Idaho and she has a master’s degree in High Altitude Exercise Physiology from the University of Gunnison in Colorado.
In this conversation we talk about Emily and her very successful year, where she placed 5th at Western States and second at UTMB CCC, about how she’s treating herself during her off-season, how she handles the pressure of training and racing at a high level and a bunch of other topics. My favorite part of the conversation was when we dived deep into training, talking about our relationship with training data, with our respective coaches, some thoughts on strength training, strength training periodization and altitude training.
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Nov 15, 2023 • 1h 10min
104. Mike McMonagle @shitinthewoods | Trail running media and photography, supporting women athletes and the community
Mike McMonagle is trail runner and photographer from Salt Lake City, United States. I met Mike, better known to the public with his instagram handle @shitinthewoods, last year at the world championship in Thailand, and I was inspired by his vibrant pictures showing the athletes in the peak of their efforts. I started following him and I discovered not only a great photographer, but also a great person for the sport, determined to make an impact in the sport of running by showcasing the elite athletes, giving more opportunities to women athletes, supporting independent races and the community that makes trail running special.
Besides running a lot with his camera, Mike won Grindstone 100m in Virginia and he will at the start of UTMB next year, with his wife and professional trail runner Leah Yingling.
In this episode we touch many topics about the current state of the sport of trail running, from the storytelling and how the media influence it, to photography, to inclusivity, equality and perception of the elite athletes by the public and fans.
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