

Increments
Ben Chugg and Vaden Masrani
Vaden Masrani, a senior research scientist in machine learning, and Ben Chugg, a PhD student in statistics, get into trouble arguing about everything except machine learning and statistics. Coherence is somewhere on the horizon.
Bribes, suggestions, love-mail and hate-mail all welcome at incrementspodcast@gmail.com.
Bribes, suggestions, love-mail and hate-mail all welcome at incrementspodcast@gmail.com.
Episodes
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Jan 17, 2024 • 1h 43min
#61 - Debating Free Will: Frankenstein's Monster and a Filmstrip of the Universe (with Lucas Smalldon)
Lucas Smalldon, a blogger and critical rationalist, dives into the intriguing debate of free will versus determinism. He unpacks whether our thoughts are genuinely our own or shaped by genetics and environment. Drawing on the metaphor of Frankenstein's monster, he explores how instinctual desires influence moral decision-making. The conversation critiques traditional views on morality, urging a deeper understanding of human behavior and accountability, all while illuminating the complexities of mental health and societal influences.

Jan 4, 2024 • 1h 59min
#60 - Creativity and Computational Universality (with Bruce Nielson)
Bruce Nielson, creator of the Theory of Anything Podcast, joins to dissect the intricate relationship between creativity and computation. He delves into whether theorem proving can be considered creative and examines the groundbreaking strategies of AlphaGo in its match against Lee Sedol, particularly the surprising 'Move 37.' Nielson also tackles the philosophical debates surrounding determinism and the nature of innovation. With insights on animal intelligence and redefining creativity, this conversation challenges our understanding of both human and machine-generated creativity.

Dec 22, 2023 • 1h 26min
#59 (C&R, Chap 8) - On the Status of Science and Metaphysics (Plus reflections on the Brett Hall blog exchange)
Dive into a lively analysis of why induction might be a philosophical dead end! Discover how historical giants like Kant and Newton shaped our understanding of science. Explore Kepler's elliptical orbits and the tension between finite observations and limitless theories. The hosts express their frustrations over a failed blog exchange, dissecting themes in Austrian economics and critique the concept of irrefutable theories. It’s an engaging exploration that blends humor with deep philosophical insights!

Nov 29, 2023 • 1h 41min
#58 - Ask Us Anything V: How to Read and What to Read
Alright people, we made it. Six months, a few breaks, some uncontrollable laughter, some philosophy, many unhinged takes, a little bit of diarrhea and we're here, the last Ask Us Anything. After this we're never answering another God D*** question. Ever.
We discuss
Do you wish you could change your own interests?
Methods of information ingestion
Taking books off their pedestal bit
Intellectual influences
Veganism (why Ben is, why Vaden isn't)
Anti-rational memes
Fricken Andrew Huberman again
Stoicism
Are e-fuels the best of the best or the worst of the worst?
Questions
(Andrew) Any suggested methods of reading Popper (or others) and getting the most out of it? I'm not from a philosophy background, and although I get a lot out of the books, I think there's probably ways of reading them (notes etc?) where I could invest the same time and get more return.
(Andrew) Any other books you'd say added to your personal philosophical development as DD, KP have? Who and why?
(Alex) Are you aware of general types of insidious anti-rational memes which are hard to recognise as such? Any ideas on how we can go about recognising them in our own thinking? (I do realise that perhaps no general method exists, but still, if you have any thoughts on this...)
(Lorcan) What do you think about efuels? Listen to this take by Fully Charged.
References
Lying and Free Will by Sam Harris
Doing Good Better by MacAskill
Animal Liberation by Peter Singer
Mortal Questions by Thomas Nagel
Death and Life of Great American Cities by Jane Jacobs
Peace is Every Step and True Love by Thich Nhat Hanh
Seeing like a State by James Scott
The Truth Behind Cage-Free and Free-Range | STUFF YOU SHOULD KNOW
People
Producers of rational memes:
Everything: Christopher Hitchens, Vladimir Nabokov, Sam Harris, George Orwell, Scott Alexander, Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Steven Pinker
Sex and Relationships: Dan Savage
Environment/Progress: Vaclav Smil, Matt Ridley, Steven Pinker, Hans Rosling, Bjorn Lomborg, Michael Shellenburger, Alex Epstein
Race: Glenn Loury, John Mcwhorter, Coleman Hughes, Kmele Foster, Chloe Valdery
Woke: John Mcwhorter, Yasha Mounk, Coleman Hughes, Sam Harris, Douglas Murrey, Jordan Peterson, Steven Hicks, James Lindsay, Ben Shapiro
Feminism: Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Christina Hoff Summers, Camille Paglia
(Note: Then follow each thinker's favorite thinker, and never stop. )
Producers of anti-rational memes:
Eric Weinstein
Bret Weinstein
Noam Chomsky (See A Potpourri Of Chomskyan Nonsense: https://lingbuzz.net/lingbuzz/001592/v6.pdf)
Glenn Greenwald
Reza Aslan
Medhi Hassan
Robin Diangelo
Ibraam x Kendi
George Galloway
Judith Butler
Socials
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Nov 15, 2023 • 1h 1min
#57 (Bonus) - A calm and soothing discussion of The Patriarchy
We we're looking for a nice light topic for our patron only episode, so Vaden naturally chosen to chat about the patriarchy. I guess he didn't get into enough trouble in his personal life talking about it so he wanted to make his support and admiration for the patriarchy public.
This is a sneak preview into the land of patreon bonus episodes, so be sure to fork over some cold hard cash if you'd like a bit more mansplaining in your life.
We discuss
Harassment of women in various spheres of life
The patriarchy as a set of facts versus a causal explanation
Why conflating these two notions of the patriarchy harms progress
Domains where women are doing better than men (hint: education, mental health, and psychopathy)
Why it's so hard to talk about this
Why Canada is different than Afghanistan (OR IS IT)
Socials
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Nov 1, 2023 • 1h 22min
#56 - Ask Us Anything IV: Certainty, Emergence, and Popperian Imperatives
Perhaps you thought, in your infinite ignorance, that the release of the previous episode marked the end of the age of the AMA! But nay my friends, the age of the AMA has just begun! We'll answer your questions until the cows come home; until Godot arrives; until all the world's babies are potty-trained. Or, at least, until we stop laughing.
We discuss
Potty training, taking babies seriously, and adult diapers
Why Vaden never daydreams, fantasizes, or minds spending 10 hours in a car
Whether the subjective notions of certainty, belief, or confidence deserve a spot in the objective world of epistemology
Whether sports are authoritarian
Whether spreading Popper's epistemology is a moral imperative
The role of school and educational institutions
Whether emergence is the result of the interplay between physical reality and the reality of abstraction
Questions
(Tom) Can any thinking take place completely independent of any certainty (explicitly acknowledged or inexplicit) whatsoever? Or can we introduce alternative terms to 'certainty' and 'confidence' to describe how individuals process their convictions, consent, and agreement? If 'certainty' and 'confidence' connote justificationism, can a fallibilist dismiss these terms entirely?
(Tom) Can fallibilism, anti-authoritarianism, anti-justificationism, and critical rationalism overall operate effectively in the highly competitive space of sports, especially professional sports?
(Andrew) If our best theory of how to make rapid progress comes from Popper's epistemology, should making it more widely known/understood be considered a moral imperative? If not, why? If so, thoughts?
(Andrew) This one has been hanging about in my notes for a couple of years so I'm not sure it's a great question any more, but something zingy about the interplay between reality, abstractions and their effects on each other has pushed me to add it here: Is emergence the result of the interplay between physical reality and the reality of abstractions?
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Oct 9, 2023 • 54min
#55 - Is all thought problem-solving?
Our argument at the end of last episode spilled over into discord, DMs, and world news, so we felt compelled to dedicate a full episode to addressing the question "Is all thought problem solving?" Some arguments make history, like whether atomic bombs were required in WWII, whether all philosophy is simply a language game, and whether the chicken did indeed come before the egg. Will this be one of them?
We cover:
How Vaden listens to podcasts and why he thinks Andrew Huberman sucks (but studies show that Andrew Huberman is great!)
Popper's evolutionary take on problem-solving
Problems defined as "disappointed expectations"
Whether all volitional thought is problem-solving
Are irrefutable theories ever valuable, or should they all be discarded a-priori?
References
All life is problem-solving
In Search of a Better World
Episode 51 of Increments, where we discuss "implicit definitions".
Quotes
Men, animals, plants, even unicellular organisms are constantly active. They are trying to improve their situation, or at least to avoid its deterioration. Even when asleep, the organism is actively maintaining the state of sleep: the depth (or else the shallowness) of sleep is a condition actively created by the organism, which sustains sleep (or else keeps the organism on the alert). Every organism is constantly preoccupied with the task of solving prob- lems. These problems arise from its own assessments of its condition and of its environment; conditions which the organism seeks to improve.
In Search Of A Better World, p.vii
At bottom, this procedure seems to be the only logical one. It is also the procedure that a lower organism, even a single-cell amoeba, uses when trying to solve a problem. In this case we speak of testing movements through which the organism tries to rid itself of a troublesome problem. Higher organisms are able to learn through trial and error how a certain problem should be solved. We may say that they too make testing movements - mental testings - and that to learn is essentially to tryout one testing movement after another until one is found that solves the problem. We might compare the animal's successful solution to an expectation and hence to a hypothesis or a theory. For the animal's behaviour shows us that it expects (perhaps unconsciously or dispositionally) that in a similar case the same testing movements will again solve the problem in question.
The behaviour of animals, and of plants too, shows that organisms are geared to laws or regularities. They expect laws or regularities in their surroundings, and I conjecture that most of these expectations are genetically determined - which is to say that they are innate.
All Life is Problem Solving, p.3
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Sep 18, 2023 • 1h 18min
#54 - Ask Us Anything III: Emotional Epistemology
Back again with AUA #3 - we're getting there people! Only, uhh, seven questions to go? Incremental progress baby. Plus, we see a good old Vaden and Ben fight in this one! Thank God, because things were getting a little stale with Vaden hammering on longtermism and Ben on cliodynamics. We cover:
Is hypnosis a real thing?
Types of universality contained within the genetic code
Pressures associated with turning political/philosophical ideas into personal identities
How do emotions/feelings interface with our rational/logical mind? How should they?
Vaden's (hopefully one-off) experience with Bipolar Type-1 and psychosis
Is problem solving the sole purpose of thinking? Vaden says yes (with many caveats!) and Ben says wtf no you fool. Then we argue about how to watch TV.
Questions
(Neil Hudson) Are there any theories as to the type of universality achievable via the genetic code (in BOI it is presumed to fall short of coding for all possible life forms)?
(Neil Hudson) Wd be gd to get your take on: riffing on the Sperber/Mercier social thesis v. individual, if one is scarce private space/time then the need to constantly avow one’s public identity may “swamp” the critical evaluation of arguments one hears? Goes to seeking truth v status
(Arun Kannan) What are your thoughts on inexplicit knowledge (David Deutsch jargon) and more broadly emotions/feelings in the mind ? How do these interplay with explicit ideas / thoughts ? What should we prioritize ? If we don't prioritize one over the other, how to resolve conflicts between them ? Any tips, literature, Popperian wisdom you can share on this ?
(Tom Nassis) Is the sole purpose of all forms of thinking problem-solving? Or can thinking have purposes other than solving a problem?
Quotes
Reach always has an explanation. But this time, to the best of my knowledge, the explanation is not yet known. If the reason for the jump in reach was that it was a jump to universality, what was the universality? The genetic code is presumably not universal for specifying life forms, since it relies on specific types of chemicals, such as proteins. Could it be a universal constructor? Perhaps. It does manage to build with inorganic materials sometimes, such as the calcium phosphate in bones, or the magnetite in the navigation system inside a pigeon’s brain. Biotechnologists are already using it to manufacture hydrogen and to extract uranium from seawater. It can also program organisms to perform constructions outside their bodies: birds build nests; beavers build dams. Perhaps it would it be possible to specify, in the genetic code, an organism whose life cycle includes building a nuclear-powered spaceship. Or perhaps not. I guess it has some lesser, and not yet understood, universality.
In 1994 the computer scientist and molecular biologist Leonard Adleman designed and built a computer composed of DNA together with some simple enzymes, and demonstrated that it was capable of performing some sophisticated computations. At the time, Adleman’s DNA computer was arguably the fastest computer in the world. Further, it was clear that a universal classical computer could be made in a similar way. Hence we know that, whatever that other universality of the DNA system was, the universality of computation had also been inherent in it for billions of years, without ever being used – until Adleman used it.
Beginning of Infinity, p.158 (emph added)
References
Derren brown makes people forget their stop
Bari Weiss's conversation with Freddie deBoer on psychosis, bipolar, and mental health. This conversation addresses the New York Times article which views having schizophrenia, bipolar, etc as no better or worse than not having schizophrenia, bipolar, etc. Also contains Vaden's favorite euphemism of 2022: "Nonconsensus Realities"
Sad existentialist cat
Send Vaden an email with a thought you have not designed to solve a problem at incrementspodcast.com
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Aug 14, 2023 • 1h 34min
#53 - Ask Us Anything II: Disagreements and Decisions
Ask us anything? Ask us everything! Back at it again with AUA Part 2/N. We wax poetic and wane dramatic on a number of subjects, including:
Ben's dark and despicable hidden historicist tendencies
Expounding upon (one of our many) critiques of Bayesian Epistemology
Ben's total abandonment of all of his principles
Similarities and differences between human and computer decision making
What can the critical rationalist community learn from Effective Altruism?
Ben's new best friend Peter Turchin
How to have effective disagreements and not take gleeful petty jabs at friends and co-hosts.
Questions
(Michael) A critique of Bayesian epistemology is that it "assigns scalars to feelings" in an ungrounded way. It's not clear to me that the problem-solving approach of Deutsch and Popper avoid this, because even during the conjecture-refutation process, the person needs to at some point decide whether the current problem has been solved satisfactorily enough to move on to the next problem. How is this satisfaction determined, if not via summarizing one's internal belief as a scalar that surpasses some threshold? If not this (which is essentially assigning scalars to feelings), by what mechanism is a problem determined to be solved?
(Michael) Is the claim that "humans create new choices whereas machines are constrained to choose within the event-space defined by the human" equivalent to saying "humans can perform abstraction while machines cannot?" Not clear what "create new choices" means, given that humans are also constrained in their vocabulary (and thus their event-space of possible thoughts)
(Lulie) In what ways could the critical rationalist culture improve by looking to EA?
(Scott) What principles do the @IncrementsPod duo apply to navigating effective conversations involving deep disagreement?
(Scott) Are there any contexts where bayesianism has utility? (steelman)
(Scott) What is Vaden going to do post graduation?
Quotes
“The words or the language, as they are written or spoken,” he wrote, “do not seem to play any role in my mechanism of thought. The psychical entities which seem to serve as elements in thought are certain signs and more or less clear images which can be ‘voluntarily’ reproduced and combined...this combinatory play seems to be the essential feature in productive thought— before there is any connection with logical construction in words or other kinds of signs which can be communicated to others.” (Einstein)
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Jul 10, 2023 • 1h 13min
#52 - Ask Us Anything I: Computation and Creativity
The conversation takes a deep dive into the complexities of creativity and its definition, especially within AI. They discuss philosophical perspectives on human understanding and computational universality, touching on intriguing parallels with Turing machines. Financial considerations of podcasting lead to a reflection on integrity and monetization. Unique insights into how self-doubt and unconscious thought play crucial roles in creativity are examined, alongside the challenges of evaluating AI-generated creativity and the nuances that differentiate it from human creativity.