
The Defiant - DeFi Podcast
The internet of money is being built with blockchain technology and without banks. We call it DeFi, short for Decentralized Finance, and this is where you can hear the builders and users of this cutting edge world tell their stories first hand. Hosted by Camila Russo.
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Apr 1, 2025 • 55min
Bringing Intellectual Property Onchain with Story Protocol | Jason Zhao
Explore the future of intellectual property on the blockchain in this insightful interview with Jason Zhao. Discover how Story Protocol is revolutionizing the way creators protect, share, and license their work. By bringing IP and copyright onchain, the protocol streamlines the process, ensures compliance with state and national laws, and secures rights in an innovative, transparent manner. Perfect for Web3 creators and blockchain developers ready to push boundaries and unlock new possibilities.Chapters00:00 - Intro: Jason Zhao, Co-founder and Chief Protocol Officer at Story Protocol 00:45 - How Story Protocol is revolutionizing IP management on blockchain 01:16 - Case study: Acquiring Justin Bieber's "Peaches" song rights 02:34 - The vision: Making IP as programmable as stablecoins 05:15 - Jason's background: From AI at DeepMind to blockchain 08:58 - Story's technical architecture: Custom Layer 1 blockchain 11:13 - Proof of Creativity Protocol explained 13:15 - Storing full IP rights and metadata (beyond NFTs) 18:47 - Legal framework and enforceable IP licenses 21:36 - Mainstream IP vs. native Story Protocol IP 24:07 - DeFi integration: Royalties and liquid IP markets 27:31 - How creators monetize their work on Story 29:50 - Tokenomics and the Big Bang staking event 33:51 - Roadmap: IP Portal and future upgrades 37:23 - David Goyer (Dark Knight trilogy) launching new IP on Story 38:28 - Fraud prevention and attestation services 45:02 - Staking mechanics and validator system 49:08 - Meme coins and IP-backed tokens 54:20 - The long-term vision: "HTTP for IP"✨ Check out our new website ✨https://thedefiant.io/🚀 Sign up to our newsletter 🚀https://thedefiant.io/go-premium#pric...🤑 Find DeFi investment opportunities & educational primers herehttps://thedefiant.io/promo?utm_sourc...✊ Follow The DefiantTwitter: / defiantnews Discord: / discord Instagram: / thedefiant.io Telegram: https://t.me/DefiantNews📬 Contact our Newsroomeditorial@thedefiant.io🤝 Sponsorships & Partnershipssponsors@thedefiant.io#TheDefiant #DeFi #Decentralized #Finance #Blockchain #Web3

Feb 24, 2025 • 59min
How Coinbase is Bridging Bitcoin to DeFi with New OnChain Lending | Will Robinson, VP of Engineering
Will Robinson, VP of Engineering at Coinbase, explores the company’s expanding role in decentralized finance (DeFi), highlighting the launch of Bitcoin-backed USDC loans through Morpho and Coinbase’s broader efforts to integrate DeFi solutions. He explains how Coinbase is working to connect centralized finance (CeFi) with DeFi by incorporating decentralized protocols while prioritizing security and regulatory compliance. Robinson also discusses the introduction of cbBTC as an alternative to WBTC, the company’s approach to multi-chain development, and its plans for further DeFi integrations. Additionally, he addresses ongoing debates about Ethereum Layer 2 networks and their impact on the main chain, emphasizing the importance of improved cross-chain interoperability. He also provides insights into Coinbase’s asset listing process, the role of meme coins in the crypto ecosystem, and the company’s broader mission to support a more open and accessible financial system.Chapters00:00 - Intro: Will Robinson, VP of Engineering at Coinbase00:45 - Coinbase’s expanding role in DeFi01:16 - Bitcoin-backed USDC loans powered by Morpho02:34 - How Coinbase enables BTC holders to access liquidity05:15 - Risks involved in Bitcoin-backed loans08:58 - Liquidation risks and loan-to-value ratios11:13 - Early demand and adoption of the product13:15 - cbBTC vs. WBTC: Why Coinbase launched its own Bitcoin wrapper18:47 - How cbBTC is issued and traded21:36 - Coinbase’s approach to self-custody and wallets24:07 - The role of Coinbase Wallet in bridging CeFi and DeFi27:31 - Coinbase’s long-term DeFi strategy and future integrations29:50 - Will DeFi become a mainstream part of traditional finance?33:51 - Coinbase’s evolution from exchange to financial institution34:34 - The rise of Base: How Coinbase grew its Layer 238:28 - Are Layer 2s parasitic to Ethereum?49:08 - The role of meme coins in crypto and Coinbase’s listing process54:20 - The future of on-chain finance and economic freedom✨ Check out our new website ✨https://thedefiant.io/🚀 Sign up to our newsletter 🚀https://thedefiant.io/go-premium#pricing?utm_source=YT&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=signup🤑 Find DeFi investment opportunities & educational primers herehttps://thedefiant.io/promo?utm_source=YT&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=alpha✊ Follow The DefiantTwitter: https://twitter.com/defiantnewsDiscord: https://discord.com/invite/3SdRdEs5ag Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thedefiant.io/Telegram: https://t.me/DefiantNews📬 Contact our Newsroomeditorial@thedefiant.io🤝 Sponsorships & Partnershipssponsors@thedefiant.io#TheDefiant #DeFi #Decentralized #Finance #Blockchain #Web3

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Feb 17, 2025 • 55min
Bill Barhydt: The Next Altcoin Season, $350K Bitcoin & The Future of DeFi Banking
Bill Barhydt, Founder and CEO of Abra, shares his expertise on the crypto landscape, covering macroeconomic influences on Bitcoin and the trend of companies holding it on their balance sheets. He discusses the challenges faced by Ethereum and the future of DeFi, suggesting it may replace traditional banking. Barhydt expresses optimism about upcoming U.S. regulations for stablecoins and digital assets, while predicting Bitcoin could reach $350,000, and highlights the rising interest in alternative cryptocurrencies.

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Feb 11, 2025 • 1h 10min
Kain Warwick on Infinex, Synthetix, and the Future of DeFi UX and Stability
Kain Warwick, founder of Synthetix and Infinex, dives into the evolution of decentralized finance. He discusses Infinex’s user-friendly interface that balances accessibility and decentralization. Warwick shares insights on the recent governance changes at Synthetix and the competition with Hyperliquid. He emphasizes the need for regulatory clarity and improved infrastructure to drive DeFi growth. Looking ahead, he hints at future integrations with Bitcoin, XRP, and Doge, while also reflecting on liquidity strategies and the lessons learned from past stablecoin initiatives.

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Jan 27, 2025 • 57min
Court Overturns Tornado Cash Sanctions: What’s Next for Privacy? Preston Van Loon, Ethereum Core Dev
Preston Van Loon, an Ethereum core developer and plaintiff in the Tornado Cash lawsuit, discusses the implications of recent court rulings on privacy and cryptocurrency. He highlights how sanctions on Tornado Cash affected legitimate users and the significance of treating smart contracts as property under U.S. law. Van Loon envisions a friendlier regulatory environment that could boost crypto innovation. He also explores governance challenges within the Ethereum community, emphasizing the need for decentralization and transparency as the ecosystem evolves.

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Jan 20, 2025 • 55min
Sam Kazemian on FraxUSD and the Future of Stablecoins in Decentralized Finance
Sam Kazemian, founder of Frax Finance and innovator in decentralized stablecoins, discusses the vision behind FraxUSD. He explains its unique design combining features of both traditional finance and DeFi, with partnerships that bolster user appeal. Kazemian highlights the role of custodians like BlackRock to enhance redeemability and the strategy for maximizing yield amidst market fluctuations. He envisions a future where stablecoins could seamlessly integrate into traditional banking, reshaping economic activity through new financial models.

Jan 13, 2025 • 1h 13min
Magic Eden’s Vision: On-Chain Trading, $ME Token, and the Next Airdrop | Zhuoxun Yin, Co-Founder
Zhouxun Yin, the Co-Founder of Magic Eden, joins The Defiant Podcast to discuss the evolution of one of the largest NFT marketplaces. In this episode, he shares the story behind Magic Eden’s founding, their decision to focus on Solana early on, and their multi-chain expansion strategy. Z dives into the challenges of navigating the bear market, enforcing royalties, and launching a token to unite their ecosystem. He also explores the future of NFTs, their integration with AI, and Magic Eden's ambitious shift toward becoming an all-encompassing on-chain trading platform.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
00:30 - Founding Magic Eden
03:40 - Surviving FTX and Solana’s Challenges
07:20 - Navigating the NFT Bear Market
12:00 - The Bitcoin Ordinals Bet
16:00 - Multi-Chain Expansion
24:30 - Launching the $ME Token
32:00 - Addressing Airdrop Challenges
46:50 - The Royalty Debate
54:10 - Long-Term Vision for NFTs
01:03:00 - On-Chain Trading and Future Goals
01:10:35 - Closing Thoughts
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Jan 6, 2025 • 1h 4min
Scroll's Path Forward Amid Airdrop Controversy: Sandy Peng on the Scroll Open Initiative
Sandy Peng, co-founder of Scroll, tells us the journey of building one of the most anticipated Ethereum Layer 2s, their focus on ZK rollups for scalability, and the unique value proposition of high security, decentralization, and low costs. Sandy discusses Scroll's transition from general purpose chain design to supporting specific use cases driven by ecosystem builders and founders. They explore challenges and lessons from Scroll's recent token airdrop, emphasizing the importance of clear communication, equitable distribution, and fostering a vibrant community. Sandy highlights the Scroll Open initiative and their long-term vision to create a thriving "city" for innovation and talent in the blockchain space.
Chapters
00:00 - Sandy Peng on Scroll's Rise
00:30 - Scroll’s Evolution and 2025 Vision
01:30 - The Founding Story of Scroll
02:30 - Why ZK Rollups?
04:00 - Scroll's Unique Edge in the L2 Space
07:00 - Transition to Use Case-Specific Chains
09:00 - Scroll's Vision for Builders and Founders
11:00 - Sub-Cent Costs and High Security Explained
15:00 - Decentralization: Scroll’s Progress and Plans
20:00 - Governance and the Role of Scroll Tokens
25:00 - Airdrop Lessons and Community Feedback
35:00 - Reflections on Token Distribution Trends
46:00 - Layer 2s and Ethereum’s Value Narrative
50:00 - Scroll Open: Building the Future Economy
58:00 - Scroll's Big Picture Vision
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Dec 12, 2024 • 46min
Robinhood Crypto's Roadmap: Johann Kerbrat on Expansion, Staking, and Blockchain Integration
Johann Kerbrat, VP and GM of Robinhood Crypto, shares insights from his journey in revolutionizing crypto for retail investors. He discusses Robinhood's evolution since 2018, their innovative features like staking and self-custody wallets, and future aspirations towards a full crypto exchange. Johann emphasizes how blockchain integration enhances efficiency while addressing regulatory concerns and user education in staking. The conversation highlights the dramatic rise in trading volume and the company's strategy to expand its DeFi offerings for improved customer experience.

Dec 2, 2024 • 1h 11min
How Lido is Making ETH Staking Easier and More Decentralized | Dimitry Gusakov, Community Staking
In this episode, Dimitry Gusakov, Community Staking Lead at Lido, discusses the protocol’s efforts to enhance decentralization and accessibility in Ethereum staking. He explains the launch of the Community Staking Module, which lowers barriers for individual validators while addressing concerns about centralization within the Ethereum ecosystem. The conversation also explores potential impacts of proposed Ethereum staking changes and Lido’s roadmap for further decentralization in 2025. Tune in to gain insights into the evolving landscape of liquid staking and its role in securing Ethereum.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
00:14 - What is Lido and Liquid Staking?
02:20 - Liquid Staking Use Cases in DeFi
05:33 - Addressing Centralization Concerns in Lido
08:25 - Community Staking Module: Decentralization Efforts
10:49 - Requirements to Become a Home Validator
13:26 - Rewards and Entry Barriers for Home Validators
16:12 - Hardware Setup for Validators
23:39 - Socialized Rewards and Offline Allowances
26:38 - Higher Rewards for Running a Node
34:23 - Impact of CSM on Lido’s Decentralization
41:13 - Ethereum Security and the Importance of Decentralization
52:19 - Ethereum Issuance Proposal: Implications for Lido
01:06:07 - Future Developments for Lido in 2025
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