Product Rising

In this insightful episode, we welcome Coco Brown, a multi-time entrepreneur and CEO of Athena Alliance. Coco shares her journey in Silicon Valley, her experience in HR and IT, and her mission to support women in leadership roles. She discusses the importance of career care, the power of coaching, and offers valuable advice for leaders navigating challenging times. With a focus on women in product roles, Coco emphasizes the opportunities for growth and diversification in their careers. She also shares her views on improving executive team dynamics and leveraging coaching for personal and professional development.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome01:01 Cocoa Brown's Career Journey05:50 The Power of Coaching06:20 Leadership Traits in Challenging Times09:49 The Role of Coaching in Leadership18:18 Women Investing in Career Care23:11 Paths for Product Leaders30:45 Executive Team Development36:30 Conclusion and Farewell📚Resources:Radical Candor by Kim Scott✨Where to find Coco Brown:On LinkedInExecutive Edge - Women in Product & Athena AllianceAthena Alliance💫 Where to find Cassie:On LinkedIn At Cassie Camp - Learn more about product leadership coaching and fractional product leadership🙋🏻‍♀️Where to find Women in Product:On LinkedIn Website https://womenpm.org/Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/

In this episode, Cassie welcomes Bosky Mukherjee, the prolific founder of PM Dojo and SheTrailblazes, and a veteran product advisor, leadership coach, and trainer. Bosky discusses her journey into product leadership, the formation of PM Dojo, and her mission to support women in product management. The conversation delves into the nuances of product management training versus coaching, the impact of AI on the industry, and strategies for driving cultural shifts within organizations. Bosky also shares insights on balancing humility with confidence and offers practical advice on leveraging coaching to unlock business potential and personal growth.More about Bosky:Bosky Mukherjee, an executive tech leader with over 22 years of global experience—spanning early-stage startups to high-growth companies like Atlassian.She’s the founder of SheTrailblazes and a powerful force for change in how women succeed, thrive, and rise to the top. Through her flagship program, Leadership Edge, Bosky equips women to lead with strategic visibility and executive communication—fast-tracking their path to promotion, all the way to the C-suite, and when the time is right, into entrepreneurship.Her work isn’t just about career growth. It’s about power, parity, and making sure women aren’t just at the table—but driving the agenda.Bosky is also the founder of PMDojo, where she helps companies build stronger, more strategic innovation teams—equipping product and technology talent to drive bigger business impact and communicate with executive fluency.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome00:49 Bosky's Journey into Product Leadership01:36 Challenges and Realizations in the Executive Room03:05 Founding PM Dojo and Its Mission04:50 AI in Product Management09:41 Training vs. Product Leadership Coaching11:05 Coaching Styles and Skills Development15:03 Working with Companies and Teams18:56 Driving Cultural Shifts in Organizations23:19 Assigning Dollar Value to Business Transformation23:33 Navigating Product Leadership Challenges24:38 Implementing Small Shifts for Big Changes25:25 Facilitating Business Conversations26:47 Success Stories and Skill Development28:39 Working It Out: Lessons from School30:26 Confidence, Humility, and Curiosity31:55 Hiring a Coach: When and Why34:53 Building Community and Networking38:18 Creative Budget Solutions for Product Teams44:10 Conclusion and Final Thoughts📚Resources:✨Where to find Bosky Mukherjee:On LinkedInSheTrailblazesPMDojo💫 Where to find Cassie:On LinkedIn At Cassie Camp - Learn more about product leadership coaching and fractional product leadership🙋🏻‍♀️Where to find Women in Product:On LinkedIn Website https://womenpm.org/Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/

Welcome to the podcast featuring Hope Gurion, an esteemed product leadership coach. She is recommended by Marty Cagan in his book, Transformed, has moderated product leadership councils with Phyl Terry’s Collaborative Gain, and works with Teresa Torres in training teams on Continuous Discovery Habits. In this episode, Hope delves into her extensive background in product management, sharing insights from over 25 years in the tech industry, her roles as Chief Product Officer, and SVP of Product. She discusses her transition from consulting to coaching, offering valuable guidance on becoming outcome-oriented and enhancing team effectiveness. Hope covers the challenges of finding the right company fit, the nuances between training and coaching, and key strategies for cross-functional collaboration. Tune in for actionable advice on elevating your product management career.00:00 Introduction and Welcome00:39 Hope Gurion's Background01:54 Transition to Coaching03:37 Challenges in Product Leadership04:55 Coaching and Training Approach07:25 Importance of Discovery in Product Management09:47 Balancing Training and Coaching15:57 Selecting the Right Coach18:51 Defining Success in Product Leadership21:33 Peer-Based Coaching vs. One-on-One Coaching28:23 Transformation in Organizations39:57 Podcast Origin Story and Conclusion📚Resources:Fearless Product Podcast & Mentioned episodes:S2 Ep. 2: How Do You Balance Investing in Tech Debt vs Customer Value?S1 Ep. 8: How Do You Say No to the CEO?Transformed by Marty Cagan - Hope is profiled as an exemplary product coachCollaborative Gain with Phyl Terry - Hope is a moderator for product leader peer councilsContinuous Discovery Habits at Product Talk with Teresa Torres - Hope trains teams✨Where to find Hope Gurion:On LinkedInHope’s Website - https://fearless-product.com/ 💫 Where to find Cassie:On LinkedIn At Cassie Camp - Learn more about product leadership coaching and fractional product leadership🙋🏻‍♀️Where to find Women in Product:On LinkedIn Website https://womenpm.org/Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/

Tim Herbig Connecting the dots of Product Strategy, Product OKRs, and Product DiscoveryIn this episode, we welcome Tim Herbig, a product leadership coach with a special focus on OKRs, in addition to product strategy and discovery. Tim shares his unique journey from product management to coaching, elaborating on the complexities and nuances of implementing OKRs in various business contexts. Through his insightful discussion, Tim covers the misconceptions about OKRs, the importance of adapting them to your specific needs, and effective strategies for measuring success. He also dives into the integration of product discovery and product strategy with OKRs, offering practical advice for product leaders facing challenges with OKR implementation. Whether you're in a startup or a large enterprise, Tim's expertise provides valuable perspectives on how to make OKRs work for your team.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome00:48 Tim Herbig's Journey into Product Management01:52 Transition to Coaching and Consultancy03:53 Specialization in OKRs and Product Management06:50 Adapting OKRs to Different Contexts09:46 Challenges and Strategies in OKR Implementation13:58 Measuring Success and Influence in OKRs22:47 OKRs in Product vs. Broader Company Context25:38 The Role of OKRs in Strategy and Discovery27:11 Confidence and Hypotheses in Strategy29:36 OKRs in Startups vs. Large Enterprises32:07 Adapting OKRs to Fit Your Context33:47 Common Misconceptions and Best Practices40:00 Aligning OKRs Across Teams47:43 When to Bring in OKR Support50:57 Conclusion and Contact Information📚Resources:Book: Radical Focus by Christina WodtkeBook: Measure What Matters by John DoerrArticle: Zone of control vs Sphere of influenceArticle: Ravi Mehta's Narrative, Commitments, and Tasks Framework✨Where to find Tim Herbig:On LinkedInTim’s Website - https://herbig.co 💫 Where to find Cassie:On LinkedIn At Cassie Camp - Learn more about product leadership coaching and fractional product leadership🙋🏻‍♀️Where to find Women in Product:On LinkedIn Website https://womenpm.org/Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/

Tami Reiss is an experienced product leader and coach who shares her journey from product management to CEO. She emphasizes the vital role of continuous learning and strategic planning in professional growth. Tami discusses the different types of product coaches and the importance of building long-term relationships. She also provides actionable tips for influencing cross-functional teams and highlights how effective stakeholder management can enhance collaboration. Discover why coaching is a crucial tool for product leaders aiming to maximize their impact.

Teresa Torres, the founder of Product Talk and author of 'Continuous Discovery Habits', shares her expertise in product management training. She dives into the differences between coaching and training, emphasizing when each is necessary for growth. Teresa discusses the power of deliberate practice in skill acquisition and the importance of community support. She also highlights how frameworks can enhance learning and offers insights on improving product discovery through effective coaching and stakeholder collaboration.

In this episode, we welcome Phyl Terry. “ Part of the reason I dress the way I do is because that's who I am. But part of the reason I dress this way is I'm trying to lead cultural change.” - mic drop! 🎤💥What does leading cultural change have to do with coaching? Phyl shares insights on the importance of asking for help and building a community for growth and development. They outline the three-tier coaching model at Collaborative Gain which features peer-to-peer coaching, concierge coaching, and CEO coaching. Phyl emphasizes the importance of mindset shifts, the collective brain, and positive politics in navigating corporate environments. Tune in for a deep dive into the evolving role of product coaches and how to leverage community and coaching for career success.00:44 Guest Introduction: Phil Terry01:18 The Importance of Community in Coaching01:57 Three Tiers of Coaching at Collaborative Gain05:45 The Intelligence Revolution and Mindset Shift06:58 The Intelligence Paradox and Human Evolution10:48 The Role of High Fidelity in Cultural Evolution13:15 The Impact of AI and the Internet on Innovation21:20 Positive Politics and Career Development29:12 The Evolution of Product Management29:48 Building Relationships and Asking for Help31:36 The Power of Vulnerability in Leadership35:01 Navigating Positive Politics41:46 The Importance of Councils and Coaching48:38 Personal Stories of Resilience and Community53:28 Conclusion and Final Thoughts📚Resources:Collaborative Gain https://collaborativegain.com/ - Learn more about Executive and Associate Councils, and Concierge Coaching Never Search Alone https://bookshop.org/p/books/never-search-alone-the-job-seeker-s-playbook-marty-cagan/18752511Checklist for Laid Off or Let Go https://www.phyl.org/checklist-for-laid-off-or-let-go ✨Where to find Phyl:On LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/phylterry/ Phyl.org 💫 Where to find Cassie:On LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/cassandracampbell/At Cassie Camp https://www.cassiecamp.com - Learn more about product leadership coaching and fractional product leadership🙋🏻‍♀️Where to find Women in Product:On LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/women-in-product/posts/ Website https://womenpm.org/Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/

Our guests for this episode are Vidya Dinamani and Heather Samarin - co-writers of Groundwork: Get Better at Making Better Products and co-founders of Product Rebels. Vidya and Heather define the "core" of great product management and then go deep on "winning hearts and minds" as an uplevel once you’ve got your core down. It’s the 1-2 punch any product leader can use.We discuss the differences between training and coaching, share a "from the field" story about a product team going from disregarded to high-impact, and 4 contexts where you might think about hiring a coach. Lastly, we touch on AI and product management. Faster horses, anyone? 00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome00:19 Founding Product Rebels01:21 Customer-Driven Product Management05:01 Scrappy Customer Research05:32 Groundwork and Core Principles14:37 Winning Hearts and Minds20:33 Training vs. Coaching25:54 Challenges and Success Stories39:48 When to Bring in a Coach46:44 Conclusion and Farewell📚Resources: - Book: Groundwork: Get Better at Making Better Products https://www.amazon.com/Groundwork-Get-Better-Making-Products/dp/0578776324  - Product Management Team Assessment: https://productrebels.com/assessment/  ✨Where to find Vidya:On LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/vdinamani/At Product Rebels https://productrebels.com/Hosting the Product Leader Summit https://www.productleadersummit.com/how-it-started 🌟 Where to find Heather:On LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/heathersamarin/ At Product Rebels https://productrebels.com/💫 Where to find Cassie:On LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/cassandracampbell/At Cassie Camp https://www.cassiecamp.com 🙋🏻‍♀️Where to find Women in Product:On LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/women-in-product/posts/ Website https://womenpm.org/Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/

An interview with Marty Cagan kicks off our new series, The Coach's Playbook. He shares with Cassie his take on coaching, doing it right and elevating the product practice.

This episode is the introduction to a new series - The Coach's Playbook. In this episode we introduce the series, why now is the time to learn more about product coaching and who we will be interviewing as a part of this series.