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"Top 100 Small Business Podcasts 2014" -- Small Biz Trends. Former Clinton White House Writer John Corcoran shows you how to build relationships intelligently to get more clients, grow your income and advance your career. Discover how you can use win-win networking and intentional relationship-building with Influencers and VIPs, even if you "hate networking" or feel like you have "nothing to offer" people who are successful. Interviews with today's top entrepreneurs and authors such as Dan Pink, Michael Port, Gary Vaynerchuk, Marie Forleo and Guy Kawasaki, who reveal how they use relationships to grow their businesses and their incomes. Find out more at SmartBusinessRevolution.com.
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Nov 29, 2024 • 40min
Selling Business to the People Who Built It With Miren Oca
Miren Oca is the Founder and Director of Ocaquatics Swim School, a Miami-based company specializing in teaching essential swimming skills while promoting water safety. Over the past 30 years, she transformed backyard swimming lessons into a thriving, 100% employee-owned organization, providing over 6,500 swim lessons weekly during the busy season. Driven by her passion for teaching and servant leadership, Miren has led her business to become the first swim school to achieve B Corp certification and has recently transitioned it into an Employee Ownership Trust (EOT). In addition to Ocaquatics Swim School, she founded Ripples of Impact, a nonprofit in the Miami area that provides resources for personal and environmental resilience. In this episode… How can a business be built for success while ensuring it remains impactful and sustainable in an ever-changing world? Imagine a business model where the employees themselves are the owners. This is the story of a swim school that made a daring shift toward an employee ownership trust, a concept most people have likely never encountered. Miren Oca, the visionary behind Ocaquatics Swim School, embraced this innovative approach by transforming her business into one of only 50 employee ownership trusts in the United States. She attributes her success to a strong focus on servant leadership, transparency, and cultivating an ownership mindset among her team. By transitioning her business into an Employee Ownership Trust (EOT), Miren ensured her company’s sustainability while aligning with its core values. She also pursued B Corp certification, embedding environmental and social responsibility into her operations, which fostered team loyalty, boosted retention, and created measurable community impact. Tune in to this episode of the Smart Business Revolution Podcast as John Corcoran interviews Miren Oca, Founder and Director of Ocaquatics Swim School, about her decision to sell her well-established swim school to its employees. They discuss her decision to transition the business into an Employee Ownership Trust, the importance of aligning leadership with company values, how Ocaquatics achieved B Corp certification, and the challenges of expanding during the 2008 financial crisis.

Nov 27, 2024 • 20min
Innovative Tools and Strategies for Business Success With John Corcoran
John Corcoran is a recovering attorney, an author, and a former White House writer and speechwriter to the Governor of California. Throughout his career, John has worked in Hollywood, the heart of Silicon Valley, and ran his boutique law firm in the San Francisco Bay Area, catering to small business owners and entrepreneurs. Since 2012, John has been the host of the Smart Business Revolution Podcast, where he has interviewed hundreds of CEOs, founders, authors, and entrepreneurs, including Peter Diamandis, Adam Grant, Gary Vaynerchuk, and Marie Forleo. John is also the Co-founder of Rise25, a company that connects B2B businesses with their ideal clients, referral partners, and strategic partners. They help their clients generate ROI through their done-for-you podcast service. In this episode… Many B2B businesses struggle with inconsistent revenue, limited client acquisition, and the inability to keep up in a content-driven economy. Static websites, outdated marketing approaches, and a lack of predictable income models leave companies feeling stuck in a cycle of uncertainty. How can organizations break free from this cycle and achieve sustainable growth in today's dynamic market? John Corcoran shares practical strategies to address these challenges, emphasizing the importance of content marketing and subscription-based revenue models. Drawing from insights in The Automatic Customer by John Warrillow, John explains how businesses can build predictable income streams by offering specialized, ongoing services. He also highlights how tools like Perplexity AI can streamline tasks such as customizing communication, automating contracts, and tailoring resumes, helping businesses save time and improve efficiency. John stresses that creating and repurposing content, especially through podcasts, can nurture relationships, establish authority, and drive growth. Tune in to this episode of the Smart Business Revolution Podcast as Chad Franzen interviews John Corcoran, Co-founder of Rise25, about leveraging AI tools and strategic content marketing. John explains why podcasts are a cornerstone of effective marketing, shares examples of AI-powered solutions, and highlights the common pitfalls B2B companies face when neglecting content creation. Through these insights, you will learn innovative strategies to transform your business business practices.

Nov 22, 2024 • 38min
Raising Financially Savvy Kids With Shannon Robnett
Shannon Robnett is the Founder and CEO of Shannon Robnett Industries, a real estate development and syndication firm focused on residential and industrial real estate projects. With over 30 years in the Boise real estate market, he is a second-generation builder and fourth-generation realtor, managing $120 million in assets and overseeing $425 million in diverse projects. Shannon has an impressive track record, with over $140M in successful developments, more than $60M in capital raised, and $28M in profits delivered to investors. Beyond his professional expertise, he is passionate about fostering an entrepreneurial spirit and smart financial habits in younger generations, leveraging his personal experiences and family history to guide his teachings on wealth and legacy building. In this episode… Raising financially responsible children and building lasting wealth are goals for many families, but they come with challenges. Teaching financial discipline, work ethic, and entrepreneurial thinking to the next generation requires more than traditional advice — it calls for hands-on experiences and impactful lessons that resonate. How can you ensure that your family's hard-earned wealth is preserved and expanded upon by your descendants? Shannon Robnett, a seasoned real estate developer and syndicator, shares how he instilled financial responsibility in his children through unique, practical strategies. From having his kids pay $80 a month for a shared car to investing in student loan debt instead of paying it off outright, Shannon explains how these real-life lessons prepared them for financial independence and smart decision-making. He also discusses how his experience in construction and real estate shaped his approach to family finance, instilling in his children the importance of good debt and calculated risk-taking. Tune in to this episode of the Smart Business Revolution Podcast as John Corcoran interviews Shannon Robnett, Founder and CEO of Shannon Robnett Industries, about innovative ways to teach financial responsibility and build family wealth. Shannon provides insights into managing wealth through 1031 exchange, team management, and scaling a construction business. By the end of the episode, listeners will gain strategies to build financial literacy and responsibility in their families for lasting prosperity.

Nov 15, 2024 • 37min
Unlocking the Potential of Military Spouse Talent With Laura Yang Renner
Laura Yang Renner is the Founder of Freedom Makers, a company dedicated to providing small business owners and entrepreneurs with reliable, skilled virtual assistants. She launched Freedom Makers in 2015, recognizing the potential in military spouses seeking meaningful work and small businesses needing adaptable assistants as they scale their operations. Laura is passionate about empowering small-size entrepreneurs to thrive by delegating tasks, streamlining workflows, and enhancing customer outreach, allowing owners to focus on growth. With a background in the United States Air Force and an MBA from the University of Chicago Booth School, she brings a unique perspective to entrepreneurship. Before founding Freedom Makers, Laura launched BuBuBooks, an online bookstore offering bilingual storybooks for multicultural, multilingual children in America. In this episode… Finding the right talent to help grow a small business can be challenging, especially when owners aren’t ready to commit to hiring full-time or even part-time employees. For solopreneurs, the struggle often involves balancing business growth while handling day-to-day tasks without the necessary support. This creates a gap in the market for skilled, reliable assistance that’s flexible, trustworthy, and culturally aligned with the needs of US-based small businesses. Laura Yang Renner created a solution by tapping into the underutilized resources of military spouses. Drawing on her military background, Laura built Freedom Makers to connect talented military spouses with small businesses in need of flexible support. She emphasizes the unique skills military spouses bring — such as adaptability, organization, and trustworthiness — qualities developed through frequent relocations and challenging environments. Her approach is to make virtual assistance accessible, with no minimum hour requirements or contracts, allowing business owners to delegate tasks like administrative support, marketing, and customer service, freeing them to focus on strategic growth. Tune in to this episode of the Smart Business Revolution Podcast as John Corcoran interviews Laura Yang Renner, Founder of Freedom Makers, about her journey from military service to entrepreneurship. Laura shares how her experience growing up as an Army brat shaped her adaptability and resilience, the advantages of hiring military spouses as virtual assistants, the benefits of flexible work arrangements for solopreneurs, and the impact of the pandemic on the virtual assistant industry.

Nov 8, 2024 • 52min
Embracing Change in a Dynamic Media Landscape With Jonathan Small
Jonathan Small is an award-winning author, journalist, producer, and host of Write About Now, a podcast where he explores the creative journeys of renowned writers and storytellers. He has held executive roles at major media outlets, including Glamour, Stuff, and Entrepreneur, and contributed to The New York Times, TV Guide, Cosmo, Maxim, and Good Housekeeping. In 2020, he launched Strike Fire Productions, a podcast production and consulting company, working with high-profile clients like SAG-AFTRA and Purely Elizabeth. Known for his storytelling versatility, Jonathan’s experiences range from producing digital series for Game Show Network to moderating panels on branded content, and he recently turned his popular podcast into a book, Write About Now: 30 Authors on Origin Stories, Creative Inspiration, and the Birth of their Bestsellers. In this episode… The shifting landscape of media and content creation has left many creators and entrepreneurs scrambling to adapt. From the rise of digital media to the decline of traditional print and television, building a sustainable brand or platform is now more challenging than ever. How can one navigate the challenges and opportunities in the rapidly evolving content marketing field? Jonathan Small, an award-winning journalist, author, and multimedia producer, shares key insights on successfully pivoting in today’s media industry. Emphasizing the value of authenticity, Jonathan advises creators to focus on their unique strengths, crafting content that resonates by genuinely connecting with their audience’s interests. He discusses the importance of origin stories in branding, as these narratives create memorable connections with audiences. Jonathan also suggests embracing a multimedia approach, as he did by founding Strike Fire, a full-service podcast production company, to diversify his storytelling and reach new audiences through collaborations with clients like SAG-AFTRA and Purely Elizabeth. Tune in to this episode of the Smart Business Revolution Podcast as John Corcoran interviews Jonathan Small, Founder of Write About Now and Strike Fire, about his multifaceted career in media and the art of pivoting. Jonathan dives into how he turned his podcast into a book, sharing authors’ origin stories and creative journeys. He also shares his experiences with true crime storytelling, unique insights on media's shift towards digital, and strategies for using authenticity to build audience connections.

Nov 1, 2024 • 44min
Achieving Work-Life Harmony for Couples With Ann and Sunny Sheu
Sunny Sheu is the Co-founder of Mpowered Families, a company dedicated to helping high-achieving entrepreneurial couples intentionally balance their family and business lives. His entrepreneurial journey began at a young age, assembling bikes at his family's toy shop, and he later expanded the business into furniture retail. Sunny continuously seeks personal and professional growth through organizations such as the EO, YPO, Stagen Leadership Academy, and Strategic Coach. Together with his wife, Ann, he focuses on helping couples set long-term family goals and balance business success with personal fulfillment. Ann Sheu is the Co-founder and CEO of Mpowered Families, a company dedicated to helping high-achieving entrepreneurial couples intentionally balance their family and business lives. With nearly 20 years of experience as a consultant, advisor, board member, and Certified EOS Implementer, Ann combines business principles with personal growth strategies to drive meaningful outcomes for families and organizations. She is passionate about helping families enhance communication, create a collective vision, and build stronger connections. In this episode… Many successful professionals struggle to balance the demands of their careers with the need for a thriving, connected family life. Professional success doesn’t automatically translate into personal fulfillment, and families often operate on autopilot, neglecting meaningful communication and long-term planning. Is there a way to harmonize personal ambitions with collective visions of well-being? Ann and Sunny Sheu address this challenge by integrating business principles into family life. They advocate for couples to create a 'decade dream,' a long-term vision that aligns family and individual goals, ensuring both partners work towards a common purpose. Ann emphasizes the importance of starting with personal values, helping couples understand each other's triggers, and using tools like free days to build intentional time together. Sunny highlights the importance of regular recalibration, encouraging couples to reflect on their progress and adjust their vision to stay connected and fulfilled. Tune in to this episode of the Smart Business Revolution Podcast as John Corcoran interviews Ann and Sunny Sheu, Co-founders of Mpowered Families, about helping high-performing couples build purpose-driven family lives. They discuss the trial-and-error process of applying business strategies to family dynamics, the power of setting a 'decade dream' to create long-term alignment, how marriage mentors can provide guidance, and strategies for empowering children to contribute to the family vision.

Oct 25, 2024 • 45min
Secrets To Building a Thriving Podcast With Dave Jackson
Dave Jackson is the Head of Podcasting at Podpage and a podcast consultant at the School of Podcasting. With a career spanning almost two decades in podcasting, he launched his first podcast in 2005, and his show about podcasting has been downloaded over 3.1 million times. Dave has helped hundreds of people launch their podcasts and is the author of Profit from Your Podcast. With a bachelor's degree in education specializing in technical education, he stands out not only for his technical expertise but also for his ability to explain complex concepts in simple, 'geek-speak-free' language. He was named the Director of Podcasting for the New Media Expo in 2014, and in 2018, he was inducted into the Academy of Podcasters Hall of Fame. In this episode… Podcasting has exploded in popularity, but starting and succeeding in this crowded marketplace can feel overwhelming. Many aspiring podcasters struggle with figuring out where to begin, how to grow their audience, and what mistakes to avoid. As the medium evolves, the pressures of creating content, promoting it, and navigating technical hurdles can leave even the most passionate creators feeling stuck. Dave Jackson, a podcasting consultant, shares his wealth of experience to help podcasters overcome these challenges. With over two decades in the industry, he emphasizes the importance of staying authentic and knowing your audience deeply. He offers practical strategies for avoiding common podcasting pitfalls, like trying to monetize too early, focusing on the wrong platforms, and overcomplicating production. Instead, Dave advises concentrating on growing a dedicated audience first, exploring alternative revenue streams, and leaning into your unique voice as a creator. Tune in to this episode of the Smart Business Revolution Podcast as John Corcoran interviews Dave Jackson, Head of Podcasting at Podpage, about mastering the art of podcasting in today's competitive landscape. They explore key strategies for building a successful podcast, including how to stand out, why embracing authenticity is essential, choosing the right monetization approach, and how embracing your peers in the industry results in a mutually beneficial relationship.

Oct 18, 2024 • 1h 5min
Living an Uncharted Life With Tony Lillios
Tony Lillios is a leadership coach, entrepreneur, Ironman athlete, and Founder of Spec Products, a design and engineering firm recognized for its innovative tech accessories. With over 20 years of entrepreneurial experience, Tony successfully built Spec Products into a market leader before selling it to Samsonite in 2014, and he continues to invest in ventures through Ringleader Ventures. He is also a 13-time Ironman athlete and a marathon open-water swimmer, known for his unprecedented round-trip crossing of Crater Lake in 2012. His "Integral Path" approach to coaching, shaped by a personal journey of redefining goals, helps clients achieve transformation through the process, rather than the outcome, of their ambitions. In this episode… Many people chase goals relentlessly, only to feel an unsettling emptiness once they achieve them. Focusing solely on success and external validation can leave a person feeling disconnected from their true self, even if they excel professionally. The question becomes: how can you redefine your relationship with achievement to foster a more fulfilling, integrated life? Tony Lillios shares his journey of rethinking goal-setting after realizing that accomplishing more wasn’t enough. He emphasizes the importance of viewing goals not as endpoints but as tools for personal growth. Tony’s "Integral Path" approach helps individuals use goals to propel meaningful change while focusing on the unfolding process of self-development, not just the outcome. He also encourages embracing uncharted territories — whether in business or personal — by stepping into uncertainty with intention and resilience. Tune in to this episode of the Smart Business Revolution Podcast as John Corcoran interviews Tony Lillios, leadership coach and Founder of Spec Products, about navigating new frontiers in life and business. Tony shared how embracing uncharted territories has manifested in a vibrant, fulfilling life. They discuss Tony’s experience with founding a company and selling it to Samsonite, becoming a single gay father through surrogacy, and undertaking endurance challenges like swimming across Crater Lake.

Oct 11, 2024 • 35min
Secrets to Long-Term Client Engagements With Melissa Morris
Melissa Morris is the Founder of Agency Authority, an operations consultancy specializing in helping agency owners improve efficiency, streamline processes, and increase profitability. With over a decade of agency experience, Melissa has worked with high-profile clients and honed her expertise in scaling businesses, client management, and operational strategies. She is passionate about helping agency owners grow their firms while maintaining a balanced lifestyle, leveraging her deep understanding of workflow optimization. Based in Jacksonville, Florida, Melissa's unique approach to enhancing agency operations and fostering client relationships makes her a sought-after expert in the industry. In this episode… Many agency owners struggle to balance efficiency and growth while maintaining a sustainable work-life balance. They often find themselves overwhelmed by client demands, inefficient processes, and the constant pressure to secure new business. How can you successfully manage agency operations while ensuring profitability and client satisfaction? Melissa Morris, a seasoned expert in the agency world, offers practical solutions to these challenges. Leveraging over a decade of experience, Melissa transformed her understanding of the agency world into actionable strategies that any agency owner can implement. She emphasizes the importance of building long-term client relationships, regularly checking in with clients for feedback, and creating processes that streamline operations. Melissa also encourages agency owners to focus on expanding existing client accounts instead of only chasing new ones, and she highlights the value of using tools like automated surveys and workflows to improve communication and service delivery. Tune in to this episode of the Smart Business Revolution Podcast as John Corcoran interviews Melissa Morris, Founder of Agency Authority, about refining agency operations and fostering client connections. They discuss how persistence helped Melissa break into the agency world, actionable strategies to maintain strong client relationships, the role of automation in agency operations, and the importance of regularly seeking client feedback.

Oct 4, 2024 • 4min
Why Being Helpful Pays off Big With John Corcoran
John Corcoran is a recovering attorney, an author, and a former White House writer and speechwriter to the Governor of California. Throughout his career, John has worked in Hollywood, the heart of Silicon Valley, and ran his boutique law firm in the San Francisco Bay Area, catering to small business owners and entrepreneurs. Since 2012, John has been the host of the Smart Business Revolution Podcast, where he has interviewed hundreds of CEOs, founders, authors, and entrepreneurs, including Peter Diamandis, Adam Grant, Gary Vaynerchuk, and Marie Forleo. John is also the Co-founder of Rise25, a company that connects B2B businesses with their ideal clients, referral partners, and strategic partners. They help their clients generate ROI through their done-for-you podcast service. In this episode… Are you struggling to find success by only focusing on transactions instead of relationships? Many entrepreneurs overlook the power of simply being helpful and building genuine connections. In the long run, this can result in missed opportunities and a lack of long-term business growth. John Corcoran learned firsthand the value of being helpful without expecting anything in return. His willingness to share insights from his White House experience with Aaron Sorkin led to his involvement in The West Wing. By always being ready to offer support and expertise, even in small ways, John emphasizes that helping others builds strong, lasting relationships that can open doors to unexpected opportunities. Tune in to this episode of the Smart Business Revolution Podcast as John Corcoran, Co-founder of Rise25, shares his unexpected journey from White House staffer to TV inspiration. John highlights how saying yes to opportunities, even small ones, can pay off surprisingly. He also talks about the lessons he learned about relationship-building, the power of writing, and the importance of saying "yes" to opportunities, as you never know where they might lead.