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Bringing together the best technology and innovation for insurance and risk management together from around the world. Podcast hosted by Matthew Grant.
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Nov 7, 2021 • 21min
Nick Wright: Chief Business Development Officer, Pen Underwriting: Every problem has a solution (163)
The Managing General Agent (MGA) model has become a successful way for many insurtech startups to establish themselves, but the subject of this week’s podcast is a bit different to other MGAs in the marketplace.
Pen Underwriting was created by bringing together 12 companies in 2014. Its work covers claims, pricing, and distribution with more than £650 million in gross written premium per year.
Chief Business Development Officer Nick Wright joins Matthew on Podcast 163 to explain how Pen Underwriting supports its partners and why investing in innovation is a key part of the company’s approach.
Talking points include:
Advantages of the MGA model
Creating products for insurer partners
Monitoring the market and looking outside of insurance
The growth of parametric and usage-based insurance
Using telematics to mitigate risk
More information on Pen Underwriting is available from the company’s InsTech London member profile page.
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Continuing Professional Development - Learning Objectives
InsTech London is accredited by The Chartered Insurance Institute (CII). By listening to any InsTech London podcast or reading the accompanying transcript, you can claim up to 0.5 hours towards the CII member CPD scheme.
The Learning Objectives for this podcast are:
Identify some of the benefits of innovation in insurance
Understand what is unique about MGAs and some of their advantages
Determine how telematics can be used to mitigate risk
If your organisation is a member of InsTech London and you would like to receive a quarterly summary of the CPD hours you have earned, visit the Episode 163 page of the InsTech London website or email cpd@instech.london to let us know you have listened to this podcast.
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Oct 31, 2021 • 52min
Property Intelligence - new solutions for an old problem (162)
We're bringing you the highlights and key insights from our property risk event at The Steel Yard in London.
‘Property Risk - What’s New and What Works?’ brought together experts in flood forecasting, digital twins, rebuild costs, remote assessment and more, to discuss new data and analytics solutions that are helping insurers understand the physical characteristics and risks of properties.
The episode begins with Robin in conversation with Todd Rissel, Chairman and CEO of event sponsors e2Value, and is followed by interviews with:
Mark Cunningham, WhenFresh
Olivia Iltcheva, Convex
Anthony Siggers, Archipelago
Jonathan Newbery, Zurich and Jonathan Jackson, Previsico
Jay Gentry, SafeGraph
Bob Frady, HazardHub (acquired by Guidewire)
Anthony Peake, Intelligent AI
Laurent de la Porte and Antonin de Benoist, Allphins
Talking points include:
What is important for insurance companies when looking for property-related data
What information has been hard to get, but is now available
How information for the US varies from the UK
What are some of the major sources of data from outside of the insurance industry
What are some of the data hubs and platforms now being used
If you would like to hear more about the work our guests and their companies are doing, click the links above to visit their respective InsTech London member profiles. Further podcast episodes are also available featuring Todd Rissel (Podcast 153), Mark Cunningham (Podcast 111), Archipelago (Podcast 145), and Bob Frady (Podcast 135).
If you like what you're hearing, please leave us a review on whichever platform you use, or contact Matthew Grant on LinkedIn.
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Continuing Professional Development - Learning Objectives
InsTech London is accredited by The Chartered Insurance Institute (CII). By listening to any InsTech London podcast or reading the accompanying transcript, you can claim up to 0.5 hours towards the CII member CPD scheme.
The Learning Objectives for this podcast are:
Understand the potential for data to transform the understanding of property risk for insurers
Explore some of the existing platforms and solutions available
Identify the factors that insurers should consider when selecting a property data partner
If your organisation is a member of InsTech London and you would like to receive a quarterly summary of the CPD hours you have earned, visit the Episode 162 page of the InsTech London website or email cpd@instech.london to let us know you have listened to this podcast.
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Oct 24, 2021 • 41min
Brendan Smyth & Premal Gohil: Liberty Mutual Insurance: Embracing innovation - lessons from a global insurer (161)
Liberty Mutual Insurance is a global insurance company that embraces innovation, with a strong track record of building successful partnerships with technology companies.
Matthew talks to Brendan Smyth, SVP, Global Risk Solutions Innovation, and Premal Gohil, Head of Innovation Partnerships & Investments, to understand how Liberty approaches innovation projects and works with third parties to understand new insurance trends.
The episode also includes advice for start-ups on how to approach insurers with new ideas and what Liberty is looking for from potential data and technology partners.
Talking points include:
How to create a culture of innovation
Balancing innovation projects with day-to-day business
Building successful commercial partnerships
The importance of ecosystems and efficient integration
Comparing insurance innovation - differences between the US and Europe
Premal’s article, 5 Tips for ensuring Startup-Corporate collaboration success, is available to read on LinkedIn.
More information on Liberty Mutual Insurance is available on the company’s InsTech London member profile page.
If you like what you're hearing, please leave us a review on whichever platform you use, or contact Matthew Grant on LinkedIn.
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Continuing Professional Development - Learning Objectives
InsTech London is accredited by The Chartered Insurance Institute (CII). By listening to any InsTech London podcast or reading the accompanying transcript, you can claim up to 0.5 hours towards the CII member CPD scheme.
The Learning Objectives for this podcast are:
Identify some of the impacts of innovation and its importance in the future of the insurance industry
Discern the roles required for successful innovation partnerships
Understand how incumbents and start-ups can work together and learn from each other
If your organisation is a member of InsTech London and you would like to receive a quarterly summary of the CPD hours you have earned, visit the Episode 161 page of the InsTech London website or email cpd@instech.london to let us know you have listened to this podcast.
To help us measure the impact of the learning, we would be grateful if you would take a minute to complete a quick feedback survey.

Oct 17, 2021 • 28min
Robin Merttens & Andrew Yeoman: Navigating algorithmic underwriting in Property & Casualty (160)
Robin is joined by Concirrus CEO and Co-founder Andrew Yeoman on Podcast 160 to discuss how commercial insurers are beginning to use algorithms to support underwriting decisions.
The conversation covers the findings from the InsTech London report, A Practitioner's Guide: Algorithmic underwriting in commercial and specialty insurance, which examines where industry adoption is right now and what’s needed to move the technology forward.
Andrew shares his insights on the potential of algorithmic underwriting, plus practical examples of how Concirrus is using algorithms to identify marine risks and build dynamic pricing models.
Talking points include:
How underwriters are using algorithms
The challenges to wider industry adoption
Predicting behaviours through technology
‘Digital fracking’ and the importance of structured data
Automation as a journey and where we are on it
The balance of AI and human input
A Practitioner's Guide: Algorithmic underwriting in commercial and specialty insurance is available to download from the InsTech London website.
For more information about Concirrus, take a look at the company's InsTech London member profile page.
If you like what you're hearing, please leave us a review on whichever platform you use, or contact Matthew Grant on LinkedIn.
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Continuing Professional Development - Learning Objectives
InsTech London is accredited by The Chartered Insurance Institute (CII). By listening to any InsTech London podcast or reading the accompanying transcript, you can claim up to 0.5 hours towards the CII member CPD scheme.
The Learning Objectives for this podcast are:
Understand how algorithms are being used to build dynamic pricing models
Recognise how algorithmic approaches support underwriting decisions
Distinguish how structured data improves the efficiency of underwriting algorithms
To continue learning about commercial insurance, visit the Concirrus profile page on the InsTech London website.
If your organisation is a member of InsTech London and you would like to receive a quarterly summary of the CPD hours you have earned, visit the Episode 160 page of the InsTech London website or email cpd@instech.london to let us know you have listened to this podcast.
To help us measure the impact of the learning, we would be grateful if you would take a minute to complete a quick feedback survey.

Oct 10, 2021 • 40min
Simon Lewis & Matt Greaves: Atrium Underwriters: Underwriting and innovation where it counts (159)
Atrium Underwriters has been operating in the London market for almost 100 years and has established itself as one of the most forward-thinking insurers when it comes to innovation and new technology.
Underwriters Simon Lewis and Matt Greaves join Matthew on Podcast 159 to discuss where that drive for innovation comes from.
The conversation covers how Atrium assesses ideas and products for new opportunities like crypto, using technology to speed up claims and reduce costs, and how it supports start-ups through the Lloyd’s Lab and Product Innovation Facility (PIF) at Lloyds.
Talking points include:
Aligning innovation with day-to-day underwriting
Building an innovation culture
Assessing viability and accepting “fast fails”
Using natural language processing (NLP) to review claims
Collating location data for catastrophe risk underwriting
If you like what you're hearing, please leave us a review on whichever platform you use, or contact Matthew Grant on LinkedIn.
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Continuing Professional Development - Learning Objectives
InsTech London is accredited by The Chartered Insurance Institute (CII). By listening to any InsTech London podcast or reading the accompanying transcript, you can claim up to 0.5 hours towards the CII member CPD scheme.
The Learning Objectives for this podcast are:
Understand some of the opportunities that innovation can bring for insurers
Recognise how insurers are supporting start-ups and the potential costs and benefits
Compare some current forms of innovation and the impact they are having on the underwriting process
If your organisation is a member of InsTech London and you would like to receive a quarterly summary of the CPD hours you have earned, visit the Episode 159 page of the InsTech London website or email cpd@instech.london to let us know you have listened to this podcast.
To help us measure the impact of the learning, we would be grateful if you would take a minute to complete a quick feedback survey.

Oct 8, 2021 • 32min
Piyush Singh: Founder, Terrene Labs - a FRISS company: Calling all underwriters - focus on the core, not the chore (155)
For underwriters, time spent searching for information is time lost to underwriting.
Terrene Labs, acquired by FRISS in April 2021, aggregates third-party data sources to help underwriters focus on the core of underwriting rather than the chore of data collection. The acquisition will expand FRISS's range of underwriting insights beyond risk detection analytics.
Matthew speaks to Piyush Singh, CEO of Terrene Labs, on podcast 155 to discuss why he left his senior role to launch a start-up, how Terrene Labs built its client base and why his business was acquired by FRISS.
Listen now to learn about:
The importance of classifying businesses accurately
How to find out a lot about a company from just four questions
How the insurer can become an expert advisor to its customers
The unusual data that can impact risk pricing that insurers don’t usually look at
The opportunities in small commercial lines insurance in the US
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For more information on FRISS, go to friss.com
Continuing Professional Development - Learning Objectives
InsTech London is accredited by The Chartered Insurance Institute (CII). By listening to any InsTech London podcast or reading the accompanying transcript, you can claim up to 0.5 hours towards the CII member CPD scheme.
The Learning Objectives for this podcast are:
Realise how technology sales can happen in insurance and how this has changed in the pandemic
Understand how businesses can be categorised and what happens with the data
Recognise how data collection can be automated and the hurdles to overcome
To continue learning about the essential data for underwriters, read our insight 50 free insurance data sets you'll need.
If your organisation is a member of InsTech London and you would like to receive a quarterly summary of the CPD hours you have earned, visit the Episode 155 page of the InsTech London website or email cpd@instech.london to let us know you have listened to this podcast.
To help us measure the impact of the learning, we would be grateful if you would take a minute to complete a quick feedback survey.

Oct 3, 2021 • 36min
The founders‘ stories - start-up to scale-up (158)
Podcast 158 features the highlights from Part 1 of our first live event back at The Steel Yard in London and is packed with advice for start-ups looking to grow and future founders.
Ed Leon Klinger (Flock), Oliver Brew (CyberCube), Andre Symes (Genasys Technologies), and Jonathan Spry (Envelop Risk) returned to the InsTech London stage to discuss their experiences of the journey from start-up to scale-up.
They shared their insights with Matthew and Robin on surviving the ups and downs of early-stage growth and building successful products, right through to securing hundreds of millions of dollars in investment funding and much more.
Talking points include:
Market analysis and how to spot opportunities
Focusing on your USP and building the right team
The importance of data and how to get it from clients
The benefits of ecosystems and harnessing new technologies
Insurtech disruption vs insurer partnerships
If you would like to hear more from the speakers and companies involved in the event, you can listen to separate podcasts with Ed (Podcast 126), Andre (Podcast 106) and CyberCube CEO Pascal Millaire (Podcast 120).
Jonathan shared his insights on how to build a successful technology enabled MGA on Podcast 142.
Part 2 of the highlights from the event, featuring interviews with the founders of four new arrivals on the insurtech scene, will be available in a future episode of the InsTech London podcast.
If you like what you're hearing, please leave us a review on whichever platform you use, or contact Matthew Grant on LinkedIn.
Sign up to the InsTech London newsletter for a fresh view on the world every Wednesday morning.
Continuing Professional Development - Learning Objectives
InsTech London is accredited by The Chartered Insurance Institute (CII). By listening to any InsTech London podcast or reading the accompanying transcript, you can claim up to 0.5 hours towards the CII member CPD scheme.
The Learning Objectives for this podcast are:
Hear from established companies on the challenges facing start-ups and the key to ensuring their survival
Realise the importance of data for start-ups and where to source it
Compare some of the ways a start-up can build a team
If your organisation is a member of InsTech London and you would like to receive a quarterly summary of the CPD hours you have earned, visit the Episode 158 page of the InsTech London website or email cpd@instech.london to let us know you have listened to this podcast.
To help us measure the impact of the learning, we would be grateful if you would take a minute to complete a quick feedback survey.

Sep 26, 2021 • 23min
Mark Allan: Commercial Director UK Insurance, Bupa: Private healthcare in the pandemic and beyond (157)
Health insurers have been on the front line of the COVID-19 pandemic. They have had to get to grips with the new peril of the COVID-19 virus, experience changes in demand and plan for the long term while adjusting to lockdowns and home working.
Mark Allan, Commercial Director UK Insurance at Bupa, joins Robin to discuss Bupa’s experience during the pandemic in the UK and what lies ahead.
Talking points include:
The challenges of being a health insurer during a pandemic
The long term impact of COVID-19
Digitising customer access and engagement
The challenge of legacy systems
Today’s podcast is sponsored by Fadata. Fadata has been providing software to the insurance market for over 30 years. Its modern insurance process platform, INSIS, spans the entire insurance product lifecycle for life, non-life and healthcare insurance. You can find out more about Fadata at www.fadata.eu.
If you like what you're hearing, please leave us a review on whichever platform you use, or contact Matthew Grant on LinkedIn.
Sign up to the InsTech London newsletter for a fresh view on the world every Wednesday morning.
Continuing Professional Development - Learning Objectives
InsTech London is accredited by The Chartered Insurance Institute (CII). By listening to any InsTech London podcast or reading the accompanying transcript, you can claim up to 0.5 hours towards the CII member CPD scheme.
The Learning Objectives for this podcast are:
Understand some of the impacts the pandemic has had on health insurers
Compare some of the ways that the pandemic has accelerated digitisation
Recognise the potential of embedded insurance for health insurers
To continue learning about the impacts of the pandemic on insurance, read our insight Covid-19 - Insurance innovation your time has come.
If your organisation is a member of InsTech London and you would like to receive a quarterly summary of the CPD hours you have earned, visit the Episode 157 page of the InsTech London website or email cpd@instech.london to let us know you have listened to this podcast.
To help us measure the impact of the learning, we would be grateful if you would take a minute to complete a quick feedback survey.

Sep 19, 2021 • 32min
Karina Buch: Chief Commercial Officer, Insurance Business Applications: Digital insurance platforms - getting ahead and staying ahead (156)
Insurance Business Applications (IBA) has established itself as a genuine insurance innovator over the past decade, embracing new technologies to offer a full cycle property and casualty insurance platform in the cloud.
Chief Commercial Officer Karina Buch joins Robin to discuss the company's origins and growth so far, why global insurers like Zurich and AIG are choosing to use its IBSuite platform, and the potential of both embedded and parametric insurance.
Talking points include:
Why speed matters when building products
Re-platforming vs greenfield development
Covid-19 and the race to modernise
The demand and attraction of embedded insurance
Integrating external data for parametric triggers
If you like what you're hearing, please leave us a review on whichever platform you use, or contact Matthew Grant on LinkedIn.
Sign up to the InsTech London newsletter for a fresh view on the world every Wednesday morning.
Continuing Professional Development - Learning Objectives
InsTech London is accredited by The Chartered Insurance Institute (CII). By listening to any InsTech London podcast or reading the accompanying transcript, you can claim up to 0.5 hours towards the CII member CPD scheme.
The Learning Objectives for this podcast are:
Understand what a full cycle insurance platform is and some of its benefits
Compare some of the differences between building a new platform or onto a preexisting one
Realise some of the potential opportunities within parametric and embedded insurance
To continue learning about platforms in insurance, read our report No-Code/Low-Code Platforms - A Bridge from Legacy to Digital?
If your organisation is a member of InsTech London and you would like to receive a quarterly summary of the CPD hours you have earned, visit the Episode 156 page of the InsTech London website or email cpd@instech.london to let us know you have listened to this podcast.
To help us measure the impact of the learning, we would be grateful if you would take a minute to complete a quick feedback survey.

Sep 5, 2021 • 34min
Niall Barton: Co-founder & Executive Chairman, Wrisk: A marathon not a sprint - surviving and thriving as an insurtech (154)
For insurtechs to flourish, companies need to match their innovative technology solutions with market opportunities and an understanding of how the industry works.
Some of the best innovation in recent years has come from combining new technology with deep insurance knowledge and experience, and this week’s podcast guest is a great example. Originally an underwriter, Niall Barton co-founded Wrisk in 2015 and has gone on to become one of the leading figures in the UK insurtech scene.
Niall joins Matthew on Podcast 154 to discuss the growth of Wrisk, his experiences as a founder, developing insurance technology solutions, and building a business during Covid-19 lockdowns.
Listen now to learn about:
Changing careers and advice for aspiring founders
Crowdfunding and working with investors
Building vs buying technology platforms
Pivoting a start-up and embedded insurance opportunities
The growth of the UK insurtech scene
Wrisk was named as one of the companies to watch in our embedded insurance report, Insurance: to Embed, or not to Embed, which is available to download for free on the InsTech London website.
You can contact Niall directly on LinkedIn to discuss insurance, technology or holiday homes.
If you like what you're hearing, please leave us a review on whichever platform you use, or contact Matthew Grant on LinkedIn.
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Continuing Professional Development - Learning Objectives
InsTech London is accredited by The Chartered Insurance Institute (CII). By listening to any InsTech London podcast or reading the accompanying transcript, you can claim up to 0.5 hours towards the CII member CPD scheme.
The Learning Objectives for this podcast are:
Realise where insurtechs stand in the UK insurance industry
Understand how to begin solving a technology problem with a start-up
Discern some of the different ways a start-up can obtain funding
To continue learning about insurtechs, read our insight This is the next stage, not the end, of the insurtech promise.
If your organisation is a member of InsTech London and you would like to receive a quarterly summary of the CPD hours you have earned, visit the Episode 154 page of the InsTech London website or email cpd@instech.london to let us know you have listened to this podcast.
To help us measure the impact of the learning, we would be grateful if you would take a minute to complete a quick feedback survey.