

Refuse Fascism
Refuse Fascism
The Refuse Fascism podcast is an independent and all-volunteer show that produces weekly episodes that expose, analyze, and oppose the very real danger and threat of fascism coming to power in the United States.
Hosted by Sam Goldman, produced by volunteers with Refuse Fascism.
Hosted by Sam Goldman, produced by volunteers with Refuse Fascism.
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Dec 12, 2022 • 1h 4min
The Flag and the Cross and the Little Blue Bird
Sam Goldman interviews Dr. Phillip Gorski, professor of sociology at Yale, about the contours of the White Christian Nationalist movement. His latest book is The Flag and the Cross written with Dr. Samuel Perry. Follow Dr. Gorski on Twitter at @GorskiPhilip.
Then, Sam talks to Micah Lee, Director of Information Security at The Intercept, about the Nazification of Twitter under Elon Musk. You can follow Micah on Twitter @MicahfLee but he's posting more often on Mastodon these days: https://infosec.exchange/@micahflee and his website is micahflee.com.
Also mentioned on this episode:
The US supreme court is poised to strike another blow against gay rights by Moira Donegan
Why is Texas banning abortions? Because this state is run by Christian fundamentalist fascist lunatics by Coco Das
The Court Case That Could Legalize the Next Coup by Elie Mystal
Refuse Fascism is more than a podcast! You can get involved at RefuseFascism.org. We're still on Twitter (@RefuseFascism) and other social platforms including the newest addition: mastodon.world/@refusefascism
Thank you to everyone who is donating during giving season! Don't forget to include your mailing address if you give more than $35 so we can mail you a warm winter Refuse Fascism beanie.
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Send your comments to samanthagoldman@refusefascism.org or @SamBGoldman. Connect with the movement at RefuseFascism.org and support:
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Music for this episode: Penny the Snitch by Ikebe Shakedown

Dec 5, 2022 • 47min
Christian Dominionism and Fascist Momentum
Sam talks to Dr. Sarah Riccardi-Swartz, assistant professor of religion and anthropology at Northeastern University about Christian Dominionism, rising antisemitism and the fascist movement's continued momentum. Follow her on Twitter at @riccardiswartz and visit her site at riccardiswartz.com
Refuse Fascism is more than a podcast! You can get involved at RefuseFascism.org. We're still on Twitter and other social platforms including the newest addition: mastodon.world/@refusefascism
Thank you to everyone who has given in recent days! All donors at the $35 or above will get a warm Refuse Fascism beanie + one for a good friend (or you can gift both!). Be sure to include your mailing address when donating so we can ship them to you in time for holiday giving.
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Music for this episode: Penny the Snitch by Ikebe Shakedown

Nov 20, 2022 • 50min
The Aftermath of the Midterms
Sam Goldman chats with fellow RefuseFascism.org co-editors Coco Das and Paul Street about the aftermath of the 2022 midterms, Donald Trump declaring his 2024 candidacy and associated happenings this past week. Follow Coco on Twitter at @Coco_Das and subscribe to Paul on Substack at paulstreet.substack.com. Read Paul's book This Happened Here: Amerikaners, Neoliberals, and the Trumping of America .
Thursday, Dec. 1 From RiseUp4AbortionRights.org: Manifest in green and protest nationwide at courthouses around the country on Thursday December 1, the one-year anniversary of when the Supreme Court heard oral arguments in the case that overturned abortion rights. Through speeches, dramatic bloody die-ins, and in other ways, the protests should make clear that we cannot rely on the courts and have to rely on ourselves to rise up to win legal abortion on demand and without apology everywhere. Find or host a protest here: https://riseup4abortionrights.org/nov-25-dec-1/
Refuse Fascism is more than a podcast! You can get involved at RefuseFascism.org. We're still on Twitter and other social platforms including the newest addition: mastodon.world/@refusefascism
It's getting cold now, and you may be thinking about holiday giving. Refuse Fascism beanies are extra warm and a great way to proudly declare where you stand this winter. Volunteers are standing by to ship one or five or 20 to you, so order here!
Send your comments to samanthagoldman@refusefascism.org or @SamBGoldman. Connect with the movement at RefuseFascism.org and support:
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Music for this episode: Penny the Snitch by Ikebe Shakedown

Nov 13, 2022 • 56min
Bradley Onishi: The Extremist History of White Christian Nationalism--and What Comes Next
Sam Goldman interviews Bradley Onishi about his new book (available January 2023) Preparing for War: The Extremist History of White Christian Nationalism--and What Comes Next
Brad Onishi is a former insider in the Christian nationalist movement who spent seven years as a minister in Southern California. Listen to his podcast Straight White American Jesus, follow him on Twitter at @BradleyOnishi and sign up for updates at swaj.substack.com.
Thursday, Dec. 1
From RiseUp4AbortionRights.org: Manifest in green and protest nationwide at courthouses around the country on Thursday December 1, the one-year anniversary of when the Supreme Court heard oral arguments in the case that overturned abortion rights. Through speeches, dramatic bloody die-ins, and in other ways, the protests should make clear that we cannot rely on the courts and have to rely on ourselves to rise up to win legal abortion on demand and without apology everywhere. Find or host a protest here: https://riseup4abortionrights.org/nov-25-dec-1/
Refuse Fascism is more than a podcast! You can get involved at RefuseFascism.org. We don't want to lose touch with our Twitter friends so make sure you're getting email or text updates here: https://refusefascism.org/signup/
Send your comments to samanthagoldman@refusefascism.org or @SamBGoldman. Connect with the movement at RefuseFascism.org and support:
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Music for this episode: Penny the Snitch by Ikebe Shakedown

Nov 6, 2022 • 38min
Sarah Posner: The GOP's Christian Supremacy Problem
Sam Goldman interviews writer Sarah Posner about antisemitism, Christian Zionism and increasing anti-trans hysteria in the radicalizing Republican Party. Read Sarah's recent piece The GOP’s Christian Supremacy Problem and follow her at sarahposner.com or on Twitter @sarahposner or mastodon.social/@sarahposner.
Also mentioned in this episode: The US Christian Right groups actively involved in voter suppression by Annika Brockschmidt and Doug Mastriano’s Prophets In Pennsylvania by Christopher Matthias
Refuse Fascism is more than a podcast! You can get involved at RefuseFascism.org. Send your comments to samanthagoldman@refusefascism.org or @SamBGoldman. Connect with the movement at RefuseFascism.org and support:
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Music for this episode: Penny the Snitch by Ikebe Shakedown

Oct 31, 2022 • 55min
Teddy Wilson: Fascist Violence Accelerated
Sam Goldman interviews writer Teddy Wilson about the latest developments from the fascist movement in the US, including the violent wing of the anti-abortion movement, the January 6th commission, and the wave of antisemitism coming from prominent powers and from their ground soldiers. Teddy chronicles the US fascist movement in detail at hist Substack: radicalreports.substack.com. Follow Teddy on Twitter at @reportbywilson.
Also mentioned in this episode:
Research by Carol Mason into the anti-abortion movement and links to antisemitism (check out Killing for Life: The Apocalyptic Narrative of Pro-life Politics).
Overturning Roe Has Meant At Least 10,000 Fewer Legal Abortions
Refuse Fascism is more than a podcast! You can get involved at RefuseFascism.org. Send your comments to samanthagoldman@refusefascism.org or @SamBGoldman. Connect with the movement at RefuseFascism.org and support:
· Venmo: @RefuseFascism
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· donate.refusefascism.org
Music for this episode: Penny the Snitch by Ikebe Shakedown

Oct 23, 2022 • 53min
Andrew Seidel: American Crusades & the Supreme Court
Sam Goldman interviews Andrew Seidel, a constitutional and civil rights attorney and the author of two books: The Founding Myth: Why Christian Nationalism Is Un-American and American Crusade: How the Supreme Court is Weaponizing Religious Freedom. He's also co-editor of an academic text, Law and Religion: Cases and Materials 5th Edition, with Prof. Leslie Griffin of UNLV law school. Andrew is a Senior Correspondent at Religion Dispatches, a prolific author of opeds and scholarly articles. He organized and contributed to the groundbreaking report “Christian Nationalismat the January 6, 2021, Insurrection,” which was published by the Baptist Joint Committee and FFRF and which aroused congressional interest. He’s appeared on Fox News to debate Bill O’Reilly, MSNBC, and hundreds of other media outlets. Andrew is the VP of Strategic Communications at Americans United for Separation of Church and State, the largest organization fighting for that founding principle. Andrew has a BS in neuroscience and several law degrees, each with honors and awards. Before dedicating his life and law degree to keeping state and church separate, Andrew was a Grand Canyon tour guide and an accomplished nature photographer. He's on all social media platforms including TikTok: @andrewlseidel and Twitter: @AndrewLSeidel.
You can get a signed copy of American Crusade by visiting bit.ly/signedac and The Founding Myth here: https://bit.ly/TFMyth; the unsigned version of American Crusade is available here: https://amzn.to/3OesBPs
Refuse Fascism is more than a podcast! You can get involved at RefuseFascism.org. Send your comments to samanthagoldman@refusefascism.org or @SamBGoldman. Connect with the movement at RefuseFascism.org and support:
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Music for this episode: Penny the Snitch by Ikebe Shakedown

Oct 16, 2022 • 55min
Women, Life, Freedom
The courageous movement in Iran is reaching an incredibly inspiring new stage that needs to be understood, learned from and supported by people who care about justice everywhere.
To learn more about the situation, Sam Goldman interviews two experts on the topic: Jasmin Ramsey, Deputy Director of the Center for Human Rights in Iran (follow @ICHRI and @jasminramsey; website iranhumanrights.org) and Sussan Tahmasebi, Executive Director, FEMENA (follow @FemenaNet and @sussantweets; website femena.net).
Plus: commentary from Coco Das on latest from the Jan 6 hearings and the commission's vote to subpoena Trump.
*The translation of the Iranian protest anthem "Baraye" by Shervin Hajipour was done and sung by Rana Mansour. Find more from her at ranamusic.com.
Refuse Fascism is more than a podcast! You can get involved at RefuseFascism.org. Send your comments to samanthagoldman@refusefascism.org or @SamBGoldman. Connect with the movement at RefuseFascism.org and support:
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Music for this episode: Penny the Snitch by Ikebe Shakedown

Oct 10, 2022 • 35min
"Trump of the Tropics" + 100 Days Post-Roe
Sam Goldman interviews historian of fascism, Federico Finchelstein, about the upcoming run-off election in Brazil for incumbent fascist Bolsonaro vs. former president Lula da Silva. Follow Dr. Finchelstein on Twitter @FinchelsteinF.
Then, reflections on the 100 days since the federal right to abortion was overturned in the US and what it will take to restore this fundamental right - a Blue Wave or a Green Wave - from Sam and a student organizer with Rise Up 4 Abortion Rights. Register for the upcoming October 15 webinar with Rise Up 4 Abortion Rights here: https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_LtviN1YQRDyOKCVLvifG_Q
Refuse Fascism is more than a podcast! You can get involved at RefuseFascism.org. Send your comments to samanthagoldman@refusefascism.org or @SamBGoldman. Connect with the movement at RefuseFascism.org and support:
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Music for this episode: Penny the Snitch by Ikebe Shakedown

Sep 26, 2022 • 57min
It Can, It Has, It Is Happening Here
Sam talks to Paul Street and Anthony DiMaggio about Trump’s open embrace of the fascist Qanon movement, the kidnapping of Venezuelan migrants by Florida governor Desantis, media and politicians’ normalization of fascism and much more. Paul Street is an historian and member of the Refuse Fascism editorial board, author of This Happened Here: Amerikaners, Neoliberals, and the Trumping of America; follow Paul on Twitter @Streetwriter17 and at paulstreet.org. Anthony DiMaggio is a political scientist and author of Rising Fascism in America: It Can Happen Here. Follow his work on Counterpunch. Note, this conversation was recorded before the fascist Meloni victory in Italy.
Salute to the courageous protesters fighting the theocracy in Iran this week! Must read: Iran's Feminist Revolution--Women, Life, Liberty by Mona Eltahawy.
Wednesday, September 28 is International Safe Abortion Day
In solidarity with women around the world, protest and publicly manifest: #Green4Abortion On September 28
Find out more at https://riseup4abortionrights.org/september-28/
Refuse Fascism is more than a podcast! You can get involved at RefuseFascism.org. Send your comments to samanthagoldman@refusefascism.org or @SamBGoldman. Connect with the movement at RefuseFascism.org and support:
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Music for this episode: Penny the Snitch by Ikebe Shakedown