
Literary Friction
A monthly conversation about books and ideas on NTS Radio hosted by friends Carrie Plitt, a literary agent, and Octavia Bright, a writer and academic. Each show features an author interview, book recommendations, lively discussion and a little music too, all built around a related theme - anything from the novella to race to masculinity. Listen live on NTS Radio www.nts.live
Latest episodes

Mar 16, 2022 • 46min
Minisode Twenty-Eight: Fathers
Our last minisode was about mothers, so in the name of equity (and riffing on Octavia’s statement that she’d rather be a dad) we’re extending the conversation to fathers in literature. The figure of the father has its own heavy symbolism, wrapped up with masculinity and the need to provide, and literature is filled with fathers from the admirable to the monstrous. We ask whether we expect as much from fathers in life and in books, and whether being a ‘bad’ father might pose a different kind of threat. Plus we get into the father memoir, how expectations are shifting, and the power of shame in creating more equal parenting roles. Enjoy!

Feb 24, 2022 • 54min
East Side Voices with Helena Lee and Will Harris
This month's show is about East and Southeast Asian identity in Britain. We spoke to journalist Helena Lee about East Side Voices, the anthology of writing she edited that celebrates the diversity of these voices in the UK. We also spoke to poet and writer Will Harris about the poem he contributed and some of the other pieces from the collection, which features writers including Mary Jean Chan, Sharlene Teo, Rowan Hisayo Buchanan and Catherine Cho. These essays and poems cover a range of experiences and settings, from the set of Harry Potter to the NHS frontlines, and seek to combat the absence of representation in British culture in which East and Southeast Asian lives are often, to use Salman Rushdie’s words, "visible but unseen". Listen in for readings, music, plus all the usual recommendations.
Recommendations:
Octavia: Pisti, 80 rue de Belleville by Estelle Hoy
Helena: Woman, Eating by Claire Kohda
Will: Ultimatum Orangutan by Khairani Barokka
Carrie: Four Thousand Weeks by Oliver Burkeman
Find a list of all recommended books at: https://uk.bookshop.org/lists/feb-2022-east-side-voices-with-helena-lee-and-will-harris
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This episode is sponsored by Picador: https://www.panmacmillan.com/picador

Feb 10, 2022 • 47min
Minisode Twenty-Seven: Mothers
In honour of the fact that a lot of our friends are suddenly becoming parents, this minisode is dedicated to mothers in literature. The figure of the mother is seriously heavy with symbolism - whether she’s the perfect mother or the monstrous mother, the mother we’re supposed to long for or the mother we’re supposed to fear. Then there's motherhood as an experience in all its complexity, with all its ambivalences and sacrifices and joys, and the politics that surround these choices and identity shifts. There's a lot to talk about! We definitely don't get through even half of it in a single show, but if you’d like some book recommendations about mothers and motherhood (or want to find out which of us would rather be a dad!) then this one’s for you.

Dec 17, 2021 • 1h 7min
Literary Friction - Year in Review 2021
It’s our last Literary Friction of 2021, so as usual it's time for our year in review show, packed full of recommendations just in time for your holiday shopping. 2021 may have been a bad year for going out, but it was a great year for books, and the voices that lifted us out of our lockdown torpor are particularly special to us now. Listen in for some of our favourite reads from the last year, a gentle check in on how our reading resolutions from 2020 went (clue: patchy), plus books we are looking forward to in 2022. We've posted a list of all the recommendations on our page at Bookshop.org so click the link below to see everything lined up, and please remember to support your local independent bookshop! Happy holidays everyone, catch you in the new year with our exciting 2022 programme.
List of books recommended in this episode: https://uk.bookshop.org/lists/2021-year-in-review
Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/litfriction
Email us: litfriction@gmail.com
Tweet us & find us on Instagram: @litfriction
This episode is sponsored by Picador https://www.panmacmillan.com/picador

Dec 2, 2021 • 60min
Literary Friction - Books About Books with Ruth Ozeki
Regular listeners will know that we love to get a little meta here on LF, and this month author Ruth Ozeki gave us the perfect excuse to indulge ourselves as we slide into the holiday season. Ruth's latest novel, The Book of Form and Emptiness, is about a boy named Benny who loses his father and shortly thereafter begins to hear the voices of inanimate objects, including the voice of the novel itself. In honour of Ruth, and Benny, this show is all about books about books. We'll dig into the ways that literature can be about itself, from books set in libraries to stories about writers to metafictional texts about their own means of creation, and ask what the joys and the pitfalls of this kind of self-referentiality can be - plus all the usual recommendations.
Recommendations on the theme, Books About Books:
Octavia: The Mysterious Flame Of Queen Loana by Umberto Eco
Carrie: Writers & Lovers by Lily King
General Recommendations:
Octavia: The Red Parts: Autobiography of a Trial by Maggie Nelson
Ruth: The Aleph by Jorge Luis Borges
Carrie: Piranesi by Susanna Clarke
Find a list of all recommended books at: https://uk.bookshop.org/lists/december-2021-books-about-books-with-ruth-ozeki
Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/litfriction
Email us: litfriction@gmail.com
Tweet us & find us on Instagram: @litfriction
This episode is sponsored by Picador: https://www.panmacmillan.com/picador

Nov 18, 2021 • 45min
Minisode Twenty-six: Twilight Knowing
In the wake of the COP26 summit in Glasgow we are thinking a lot about climate crisis and the role literature can play in galvanising people to take action. We want to think about how fiction, poetry, and non-fiction writing can approach climate crisis beyond showing how terrible it will be in the future - is there a way to write about the subject that's not only disaster fiction? How do we move out of what Jenny Offill calls 'the twilight knowing' into full comprehension? Listen in for our thoughts on all this plus lots of recommendations for books that address the climate crisis either directly or indirectly.
Find a list of some of the books we talked about at: https://uk.bookshop.org/lists/minisode-26-twilight-knowing

Nov 4, 2021 • 1h 4min
Literary Friction - Climbing the Ladder with Natasha Brown
Social hierarchies and the metrics of status and success are a part of life accepted by some and rejected by others, but whatever your position, they are hard to escape. There are lots of novels about characters climbing proverbial ladders, from Patrick Bateman rising through the ranks in the workplace in American Psycho to Becky Sharpe social climbing in Vanity Fair. Our guest this month is Natasha Brown, whose debut novel Assembly follows a Black British woman preparing for a garden party at her boyfriend's family estate, and thinking through the stories she exists within - stories of class, race, and the meaning of success. She's ticked all the 'right' boxes, went to a good university, has a cushy job in finance, owns her flat, and yet she begins to question the cost of her complicity in a system that will never fully accept her. We get into how books can enforce these kinds of social norms or subvert them, and whether fiction is a good place to question these structures, plus all the usual recommendations.
Recommendations on the theme, Climbing the Ladder:
Octavia: The Talented Mr Ripley by Patricia Highsmith
Carrie: Klara and The Sun by Kazuo Ishiguro
General Recommendations:
Octavia: No. 91/92: notes on a Parisian commute by Lauren Elkin
Natasha: Exquisite Cadavers by Meena Kandasamy
Carrie: Oh William! by Elizabeth Strout
Find a list of all recommended books at: https://uk.bookshop.org/lists/november-2021-climbing-the-ladder-with-natasha-brown
Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/litfriction
Email us: litfriction@gmail.com
Tweet us & find us on Instagram: @litfriction
This episode is sponsored by Picador: https://www.panmacmillan.com/picador

Oct 21, 2021 • 48min
Minisode Twenty-Five: The Campus Novel
This minisode we are leaning even further into our autumnal and back to school-ish vibe to talk about The Campus Novel, a genre that includes some beloved books and some much less beloved books, but remains enduring nevertheless. Why is there such an appetite for novels about university life? Are these stories mostly wish fulfilment narratives for older men who fear irrelevance? Is it always an elitist set-up? Listen in as we dig into these questions and more.

Oct 7, 2021 • 1h 11min
Literary Friction - Constraint with Maggie Nelson
Explore the concept of freedom vs. constraint with Maggie Nelson. Discover how constraints can enhance creativity. Get book recommendations on constraint theme. Reflect on midlife, grief, and ethical dilemmas. Learn about the power of constraints in art and the exploration of 'Train Dreams' philosophical themes.

Sep 30, 2021 • 41min
Minisode Twenty-Four: Back to School
School is a loooong way in our past, but the imprint of that new start in September cycle runs deep, so in this minisode we are leaning into that back-to-school feeling. It also feels like there are more brilliant books on the horizon than ever this autumn, and we want to pay homage to our big and exciting to-read piles by telling you about some of the books we’re most jazzed to read in the coming months. Get your pencils out and take some notes!