
The Liturgists Podcast
An artful, mind-expanding, heart-opening, genre-bending exploration of how to live a life full of more love and less suffering.
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Feb 17, 2022 • 59min
John Philip Newell
In today’s episode, Michael talks to John Philip Newell, a Celtic teacher and author of spirituality who calls the modern world to reawaken to the sacredness of the earth and every human being. Together, they discuss Celtic Christianity and the modern-day application of its wisdom.
3:00- Michael asks what the scope of Celtic Christianity is
7:50- Michael asks why this wisdom is difficult to practice together
12:50: Michael reads some quotes and John Philip discusses the divine feminine
20:30: Michael and John Philip discuss the intersection between sexuality and spirituality
29:30: Michael asks John Philip what God isn’t
41:00: They discuss distinctions between ego and soul
47:00- Michael asks what the Celtic Christian view of Jesus Christ is

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Jan 27, 2022 • 39min
The Sedona Method
In this episode, Michael speaks with Hale Dwoskin, author of "The Sedona Method: Your Key to Lasting Happiness, Success, Peace and Emotional Well-Being" to discuss his book and the Method as he sees it. The Sedona Method is described as "a simple, powerful, and easy-to-learn technique that shows you how to uncover your natural ability to let go of any painful or unwanted feeling in the moment."
Some helpful timestamps for this episode:
5:30- Hale describes the Sedona Method
10:00- Hale gives you an interactive analogy for letting go
12:00- Hale begins describing the basic questions of the Method
13:20- Hale begins describing the experience of it
18:30- Michael and Hale discuss the conscious permission to constrict
23:15- Michael discusses how these practices have affected his daily practices
26:00- Hale discusses one of the more shocking revelations of the method
28:00- Hale leads a process for embracing opposites
34:20- Michael allows some time for personal meditation

Jan 13, 2022 • 1h 22min
Derek Webb
In the first episode of Season 8, Michael speaks to Derek Webb. Derek Webb is a musician who has always bravely asked the big questions in his music and invited others to do the same. In this episode, Derek and Michael Gungor chat about music, spirituality and why the two have been so intertwined for both of them.
Some helpful timestamps for this episode:
2:30- Derek Webb introduces himself
5:00- Michael and Derek discuss their similar music careers
9:00- Derek talks about meaning
13:00- Michael talks about ambiguity in Christian art
21:30- Michael asks how spirituality and music are intertwined in Derek’s music
31:00- Derek talks about the difficulties of moving between and beyond spirituality
40:30- Derek talks about limitations in art
46:00- Derek tells a story about limits in creation
50:15- Michael asks where Derek’s art is now
57:00- Michael begin interrogating the idea of “belief”
1:06:15- Derek talks about the utility of language without reverence
1:10:00- Derek talks about his philosophical position with his new album “The Jesus Hypothesis”

Dec 31, 2021 • 4min
EVENT ALERT: "Mass" An Existential Meditiation
Join the Liturgists for a conversation immediately following the January 1st, 3pm PST Youtube premiere of "Mass", an existential meditation by Stephen Proctor that features music from Michael Gungor's WEIWU album. You can find the information about "Mass" at massfilm.art, and find the zoom conversation at the usual link below:
Zoom Link: https://zoom.us/j/3271876473
Room Code: 300300
We'll see you there!

Dec 10, 2021 • 1h 7min
Make Believe With Briana Lynn
In this final episode of Season 7, Symposium member Briana Lynn and Michael Gungor have a fun, lighthearted conversation about the belief, play, and why we tried to do what we did in this last season of the podcast.

Nov 4, 2021 • 2h
Let's Disagree Again
Peter Rollins returns to the Liturgists podcast to disagree with Michael about reality being “One” and, of course, to have some good laughs while doing so.

Oct 8, 2021 • 18min
Love More, Suffer Less
As season 7 draws to a close, Michael talks about the mission of the Liturgists and where things are headed.

Sep 30, 2021 • 1h 59min
Let's Disagree
We've lot a lot of listeners and patrons this season. Perhaps not surprisingly, reframing Christianity to be seen as nondual spiritual technologies is not everyone's cup of tea. (Neither is Michael Gungor) But we also want you to know that we hear you and that there's space for you and your disagreement here too. In this episode, Michael talks with an old Christian music buddy (and Liturgists podcast listener), Jimmy Needham, about why they disagree about the content of this season.

Sep 9, 2021 • 57min
Salvation
Does the concept of salvation have any use if we don’t see it as a ticket to some other worldly existence after we die? Does the progressive notion of “freedom” that is so related to morality, justice, money, and power imply that we should all be more like Bezos or Trump? What is enlightenment and does anybody actually get to be enlightened? These are a few of the questions we tackle in this raw and powerful conversation between Michael Gungor, Emily Capshaw, and Mason Smith.

Aug 26, 2021 • 1h 2min
Trinity
The Liturgists forms its first faux ecumenical theological council as Rev. Brianna Lynn, Mason Smith, Emily Capshaw, Latifah Alattas, Chris Davies and Michael Gungor have a fun, lively discussion about the Trinity and what, if any, value it has as a spiritual technology beyond the oppressive patriarchal usages that are so common historically.