
Vertical Playpen
Want to learn more about Adventure and Experiential Education? Then this podcast is for you!
Listeners of this podcast will get;
- Adventure Programming Theory
- Facilitation Tips
- Activity Ideas
- Industry Career Advice
- Interviews from Industry Professionals
High 5 Adventure Learning Center is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to helping individuals, teams, schools, communities and businesses improve the way they live, learn and work together. Connect with us at high5adventure.org
Latest episodes

Apr 30, 2024 • 24min
The Importance of SEL for Educators | Tre Gammage
Tre Gamage shares his journey into social-emotional learning (SEL) and the importance of SEL in education. He discusses the need for SEL programs for both students and adults, bridging the gap between generations, and the impact of every decision in life. He emphasizes that now is the time for SEL to shine, especially in the current climate of COVID-19 and discussions around equity. Tre provides resources for further learning and skill-building in SEL. Takeaways; SEL is essential in education and should be a part of school plans SEL programs should be implemented for both students and adults Bridging the gap between generations is crucial for understanding and connection Every decision in life matters and contributes to one's legacy Now is the time for SEL to shine, especially in the current climate Resources for further learning and skill-building in SEL are available Connect with Tre - https://www.tregammage.com/ Contact the podcast - email - podcast@high5adventure.org instagram - @verticalplaypen music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Apr 23, 2024 • 26min
High 5 Executive Director and Founding Director | Jen Ottinger and Jim Grout
In this conversation, Phil Brown interviews Jim Grout and Jen Ottinger about their roles at High 5 Adventure Learning Center and the past, present, and future of the organization. Jen shares how she was drawn to High 5 and the adventure education field, while Jim reflects on the early days of High 5 and the growth of the organization. They discuss their complementary leadership styles and the importance of trust and collaboration. They also talk about the future of High 5, including exploring the concept of social enterprise, promoting career building in the industry, and supporting professional development through a scholarship fund. Takeaways; Jen was drawn to High 5 because of the opportunity to work with an amazing group of people and the excitement and passion she saw in the organization and its customers. Jim and Jen have complementary leadership styles, with Jim being the visionary and Jen being the integrator, which has been a successful partnership for High 5. Trust and collaboration are key elements of their leadership approach, and they prioritize putting people first and supporting the team. The future of High 5 includes exploring the concept of social enterprise, promoting career building in the adventure education industry, and supporting professional development through a scholarship fund. high5adventure.org Contact the podcast - email - podcast@high5adventure.org instagram - @verticalplaypen music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Apr 16, 2024 • 25min
Poles, Zip Line Brakes and Facilitation Techniques | High 5 Trivia
High 5 Trivia is a quiz show about the challenge course industry. The host, Jamie Thibodeau, asks questions from different categories such as gear, facilitation, construction, history, and general knowledge. The participants compete to answer the questions correctly and earn points. The show covers topics like wooden utility poles, passive zip line braking systems, facilitation techniques, gear terminology, and challenge course elements. Takeaways; High 5 Trivia is a quiz show about the challenge course industry The show covers various topics related to gear, facilitation, construction, history, and general knowledge Participants compete to answer questions correctly and earn points The show provides insights into the challenge course industry and promotes learning and knowledge sharing Submit your questions; Email - podcast@high5adventure.org Instagram - @verticalplaypen Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Apr 9, 2024 • 9min
Think Back | Jim Grout
This conversation explores the theme of leadership and the importance of building relationships in effective leadership. The discussion highlights examples of leadership from the movie Saving Private Ryan and the director of professional development (at the time the article was written) for the National Association of Independent Schools, Dave Mallory. The conversation also includes an exercise to reflect on positive and negative experiences with leaders and the impact of relationships in leadership. Takeaways; Effective leadership is never without the attribute of building relationships. Leadership is about caring and forming connections with others. Positive leadership experiences leave a lasting impact and evoke feelings of respect, value, and happiness. Poor leadership can have negative effects and create a sense of discomfort or fear. Building relationships is a powerful tool in leadership and can create a safe and trusting environment. Understanding oneself and one's relationship with others is essential in effective leadership. High 5 Symposium - https://store.high5adventure.org/products/adventure-practitioners-symposium-1-day?utm_source=copyToPasteBoard&utm_medium=product-links&utm_content=web&_ga=2.244240269.92209463.1712521573-69781410.1683822041 Contact the podcast - Email - podcast@high5adventure.org Instagram - @verticalplaypen Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Apr 2, 2024 • 25min
Questions and Trivia | ACCT Conference 2024
At the recent ACCT (Association for Challenge Course Technology) Conference in Oklahoma City, OK, Phil and Jamie had the pleasure of recording an episode with an in-person audience. The structure of the time was split between audience questions and a trivia show based on the Challenge Course industry. Play along and let us know how you did! Submit your questions - Email - podcast@high5adventure.org Instagram - @verticalplaypen Learn more and register for the High 5 Symposium - https://store.high5adventure.org/products/adventure-practitioners-symposium-1-day?utm_source=copyToPasteBoard&utm_medium=product-links&utm_content=web&_ga=2.7451954.1611139391.1712014415-69781410.1683822041 Learn more about Catchbox - catchbox.com Music and Sound Effects - epidemicsound.com

Mar 26, 2024 • 31min
The Bear TV Series - Season 3 Predictions
In this conversation, Phil, Lisa and Chris discuss the finale of Season 2 and make predictions for Season 3 of the show. They analyze Carmy's leadership and the potential for growth and development in his character. They also explore the unresolved grief for Mikey and the impact it may have on the team. We also discuss the importance of team development in maintaining success and navigating renewal. The importance of vulnerability in leadership is highlighted, as well as the potential for new team members to join the group. Takeaways: Leadership development and growth are important for individuals in a team. Unresolved grief can impact team dynamics and should be addressed. Imposter syndrome can arise when individuals are promoted or given new responsibilities. Success can bring its own challenges, and team development is crucial for maintaining performance. Renewal and adaptation are necessary for long-term success in any organization. The dynamics of a team can change as a business becomes more successful, and it is important to adapt to these changes. Leadership can come from individuals who do not hold formal titles, and their influence can be crucial to the success of the team. Balancing personal and professional life can be challenging for leaders, and finding ways to be vulnerable and open with the team can lead to better support and understanding. Adding new team members can bring fresh perspectives and skills to the group, but it is important to consider how they will fit into the existing dynamics. An operations manager or similar role may be necessary to support the team and ensure the smooth running of the business. What are your predictions? Let us know; Email - podcast@high5adventure.org Instagram - @verticalplaypen Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Mar 19, 2024 • 35min
The Bear TV Series - The Power of Moments
In this conversation, Phil Brown, Lisa Hunt, and Chris Ortiz discuss the TV show 'The Bear' and its connections to the book 'The Power of Moments' by Chip and Dan Heath. They explore the key concepts of elevation, pride, insight, and connection, and how these concepts are reflected in the show and their work as facilitators. They also discuss the importance of recognizing and valuing others, the power of small gestures, and the role of charisma and sociability in building connections. The four key concepts are summarized below; Elevation: This concept refers to moments that rise above the routine, mundane experiences of everyday life. These are the moments that make us feel lifted, inspired, or transformed. Elevation moments often involve surprise, joy, or awe, leaving a lasting impact on individuals. Pride: Pride moments are those in which individuals feel a sense of accomplishment, recognition, or validation for their efforts. These moments are characterized by a feeling of mastery, competence, or success. They often involve overcoming challenges or obstacles, leading to a boost in self-esteem and motivation. Insight: Insight moments occur when individuals gain a new understanding, perspective, or realization about themselves, others, or the world around them. These moments often come from moments of clarity, reflection, or learning, leading to personal growth, development, or transformation. Connection: Connection moments involve deepening relationships, fostering empathy, or strengthening bonds between individuals. These moments can arise from shared experiences, acts of kindness, or moments of vulnerability, leading to a sense of belonging, trust, and intimacy. Takeaways The TV show 'The Bear' provides examples of powerful moments that can be created intentionally. The concepts of elevation, pride, insight, and connection from 'The Power of Moments' book can be applied to both the show and facilitation work. Recognizing and valuing others is important in creating moments of pride. Breaking the script and creating unexpected experiences can elevate moments and engage participants. Building connections and practicing sociability are essential for effective facilitation. Contact us; Email - podcast@high5adventure.org Instagram - @verticalplaypen Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Mar 12, 2024 • 30min
The Bear TV Series - Exploring Tina's Leadership Evolution
In this conversation, Chris, Phil and Lisa discuss the character of Tina from the show 'The Bear' and explore various themes related to team dynamics and leadership. They highlight Tina's incremental shifts in perspective and the importance of creating buy-in as well as the significance of allowing failure and highlighting mistakes as a means of growth. We emphasize the value of investing in the right tools and professional development to support individual strengths and also touch on the role of informal leaders in driving change within organizations. Takeaways; Creating buy-in is essential for successful team dynamics and implementing change. Allowing individuals to fail and highlighting mistakes can lead to growth and learning. Investing in the right tools and professional development supports individual strengths and benefits the organization. Informal leaders play a crucial role in driving change and influencing team dynamics. Contact us; Email - podcast@high5adventure.org Instagram - @verticalplaypen Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Mar 5, 2024 • 31min
The Bear TV Series - Syd's Impact on Team Dynamics
In this conversation, Phil, Lisa and Chris discuss the character of Syd, the sous chef, in the TV show 'The Bear.' They explore Syd's impact on team dynamics, her impatience and eagerness for change, and the challenges she faces as a young and confident newcomer. We also discuss the importance of transparency and vulnerability in navigating change and building trust within a team. Overall, Syd's character represents the need for balance between confidence and humility in a work environment. Takeaways; The introduction of a new team member can disrupt team dynamics and challenge established routines. Impatience and eagerness for change can create tension and resistance within a team. Transparency and open communication are crucial in navigating change and building trust. Age, gender, and identity can influence how a new team member is perceived and integrated into the team. Confidence can be both a strength and a facade, and vulnerability is essential for growth and connection. Rediscovering the joy in what we do can reignite our passion and purpose. Taking a step back from the daily grind and reflecting on why we do what we do is important. Small moments of positive feedback and enjoyment can have a significant impact. Contact us; Email - podcast@high5adventure.org Instagram - @verticalplaypen Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Feb 27, 2024 • 21min
The Bear TV Series - Carmy and Richie
In this episode, the conversation focuses on the relationship between Carmy and Richie. It explores how their childhood friendship and non-family family dynamic contribute to their connection, the importance of building a strong foundation and trust in organizations is highlighted, as well as the impermanence of conflict and the need for touchstones and norms. The concept of finding purpose and aligning with a mission is discussed, along with the significance of supporting personal discoveries. The episode also delves into the appreciation for behind-the-scenes work and the value of authenticity and inclusion. Finally, it emphasizes that different purposes can still lead in the same direction. Takeaways; Building a strong foundation and trust is crucial in relationships and organizations. Conflict can be impermanent if there is a strong foundation and common purpose. Supporting personal discoveries and allowing organic growth is important in leadership. Appreciating behind-the-scenes work and valuing authenticity and inclusion contribute to a positive organizational culture. Connect with us - Email - podcast@high5adventure.org Instagram - @verticalplaypen Music and Sound effects - epidemicsound.com