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Pioneer Institute
Join The Learning Curve every Wednesday for insight and perspective on education, learning trends, school choice, and public policy. Our hosts and guests offer a mix of provocative commentary as they interview school leaders, innovators, bestselling authors, policymakers, and more. Send any suggestions, tips, and fan mail to pioneer@pioneerinstitute.org.Listen to all episodes of The Learning Curve at Ricochet.com.
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Feb 4, 2026 • 48min
Emmy Winner A’Lelia Bundles on Madam C.J. Walker, First U.S. Self-Made Female Millionaire
In this episode of The Learning Curve, we celebrate Black History Month as co-hosts U-Ark Prof. Albert Cheng and Alisha Searcy of the Center for Strong Public Schools speak with A’Lelia Bundles, an accomplished journalist, television producer, and biographer of Madam C. J. Walker, about the life, legacy, and enduring significance of her remarkable great-great-grandmother. Ms. Bundles traces Walker’s journey from her birth as Sarah Breedlove in post–Civil War Louisiana through an orphaned childhood marked by poverty, labor, and faith, and into her formative years in St. Louis, where church, music, and education shaped her ambitions. She explores how Breedlove’s experiences with marriage, motherhood, and economic hardship informed her entrepreneurial drive, leading to the creation of innovative hair-care products and the launch of the Madam C. J. Walker brand. Bundles discusses Walker’s development of a national training network that empowered Black women economically, her rise as America’s first self-made female millionaire, and her philanthropic leadership. She also highlights Madam Walker's Westchester County, NY, mansion estate "Villa Lewaro" as a Harlem Renaissance hub, and explores the cultural impact of Self Made. In closing, Ms. Bundles reads a passage from On Her Own Ground: The Life and Times of Madam C. J. Walker.

Jan 28, 2026 • 52min
Hedgehog Review's Jay Tolson on Walker Percy, Southern Catholic Novelist
Jay Tolson, journalist and editor known for his Walker Percy biography and work at The Hedgehog Review, guides a tour of Percy’s life. He highlights family tragedies that shaped Percy’s voice. He recounts mentorship from William Alexander Percy, Percy’s friendship with Shelby Foote, tuberculosis and conversion to Catholicism, and the themes behind The Moviegoer.

Jan 27, 2026 • 50min
Award-Winner Ruth Franklin on Anne Frank & Holocaust Remembrance
To commemorate Holocaust Remembrance Day, The Learning Curve guest host Andrea Silbert, President of the Eos Foundation, speaks with Ruth Franklin, former editor of The New Republic and author of The Many Lives of Anne Frank. Ms. Franklin reflects on the enduring literary significance of Anne Frank’s diary while providing an overview of her life and the wider historical context of World War II and the Holocaust. Drawing on her extensive research, Franklin discusses her approach to understanding Anne Frank not only as a symbol of Jewish persecution and the Holocaust, but as a young girl whose life offers universal lessons due to being tragically shaped and ultimately destroyed by the Nazi invasion of the Netherlands in 1940. She describes how the Frank family’s daily routines in the Secret Annex were upended and explores the power of Anne’s writing, emphasizing how her personal reflections while in hiding remain a courageous human record of life under Hitler’s antisemitic tyranny. Ms. Franklin also highlights the role Anne’s father played in posthumously editing and publishing the diary, shaping the memoir that would become widely known and honored around the world. Ms. Franklin closes by reading an excerpt from her book, The Many Lives of Anne Frank.

Jan 19, 2026 • 50min
Stanford's Dr. Lerone Martin & NC State's Dr. Jason Miller on MLK's Dream & Langston Hughes’s Poetry
In this Martin Luther King, Jr. Day episode of The Learning Curve, co-hosts U-Ark Prof. Albert Cheng and Alisha Searcy of the Center for Public Schools speak with Dr. Lerone Martin, Martin Luther King, Jr. Centennial Professor at Stanford University, and Dr. Jason Miller, Distinguished Professor of English at North Carolina State University. They explore the religious, literary, and historical foundations of MLK’s thought and rhetoric, highlighting his vision of saving the soul of America and promoting human dignity. Dr. Martin discusses MLK’s early spiritual leadership in Montgomery, AL, the influence of the Old Testament prophets, and the role of largely female-led grassroots activism in the 1955–56 Bus Boycott. Dr. Miller examines Langston Hughes’s poetry, including “Harlem (A Dream Deferred)” and “Mississippi –1955,” and how it shaped King’s sermons, speeches, and approach to civil rights leadership. Their conversation also covers key moments in King’s career, including co-founding of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), the Freedom Rides, the 1963 March on Washington, and his Nobel Peace Prize. In closing, Dr. Miller reads a passage from his book, Origins of the Dream: Hughes’s Poetry and King’s Rhetoric.

Jan 14, 2026 • 49min
International Bestseller Dr. Jung Chang on Fly, Wild Swans & China's Despotism
In this week's episode of The Learning Curve, co-hosts Center for Strong Public Schools’ Alisha Searcy and Great Hearts Academies’ Dr. Helen Baxendale interview award-winning author and biographer Dr. Jung Chang, whose international bestsellers have illuminated three generations of her family's experiences across 20th- and 21st-century China. Dr. Chang reflects on the powerful lessons drawn from the lives of her grandmother, mother, and herself under Chairman Mao’s tyranny, emphasizing the importance of personal memory in confronting totalitarianism and educating younger generations. She discusses the role of her memoir alongside works by figures such as Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn and Elie Wiesel in exposing the tragic human cost of 20th century’s most murderous regimes. Turning to her co-authored biography, Mao: The Unknown Story, Dr. Chang offers her assessment of Mao’s character, the catastrophic loss of over 70 million lives under his Communist rule, and the enduring myths and lies surrounding his despotic legacy. She explores China’s rich pre-Communist history, including the often misunderstood reign of the Empress Dowager Cixi, the central role of women in shaping modern China, and her motivations for writing Big Sister, Little Sister, Red Sister. She also examines Chairman Deng Xiaoping’s (the “Architect of Modern China”) economic reforms in the late 1970s, President Xi Jinping’s revival of Maoist-style political state control, and concludes with a moving discussion of Fly, Wild Swans, as a tribute to her mother, including the final chapter on why she could not return to China to be at her mother’s deathbed.

Jan 7, 2026 • 54min
Arizona's Katherine Haley on School Choice, Fed Ed, & State-led Reform
In this week's episode of The Learning Curve, co-hosts U-Arkansas Prof. Albert Cheng and Center for Strong Public Schools’ Alisha Searcy discuss state and national K-12 education reform with Katherine Haley, Founder and Partner of the Oak Rose Group and President of the Arizona State Board of Education. Haley shares her remarkable career journey from Capitol Hill—where she served as chief policy advisor to former U.S. House Speaker John Boehner—to leading education reform in Arizona. She discusses founding the Oak Rose Group to advance human flourishing through strategic consulting, and her work on the Arizona State Board of Education, where she addresses the state's academic challenges on NAEP despite robust charter public and school choice programs. Ms. Haley provides an insider's perspective on the political dynamics of federal education lawmaking, the influence of special interests, and the complexities of programs like IDEA, Title I, and the DC voucher program. She examines why American K-12 education struggles to improve despite massive expenditures exceeding $800 billion annually, and offers advice for what governors, legislators, local officials, and parents can do to dramatically transform academic outcomes for America's schoolchildren.

Dec 17, 2025 • 1h 4min
Julie Young, Julie Petersen, & Kay Johnson on Virtual Schools, Actual Learning
In this week’s episode of The Learning Curve, co-hosts U-Ark Prof. Albert Cheng and Alisha Searcy of the Center for Public Schools speak with Julie Young, Julie Petersen, and Kay Johnson, co-editors of Pioneer Institute’s new book, Virtual Schools, Actual Learning: Digital Education in America. They explore the evolution of online education in the U.S., from the founding of Florida Virtual School (FLVS) to the innovations at ASU Prep Digital. Young, Petersen, and Johnson discuss key principles of educational leadership, pivotal historical milestones in virtual schooling, and the early challenges of creating student-centered, technology-driven learning models. The co-editors highlight lessons from states’ high-performing digital programs, the role of state regulations, and strategies for addressing national learning loss, including insights about shortcomings of remote education during the COVID-19 pandemic. They also examine state funding structures, policy best practices, and critiques of online education, including concerns about equity of access. They discuss the book’s policy recommendations, offer a forward-looking vision for “unbound” learning, as well as the future of K-12 digital education across the globe. In closing, Julie Young reads a passage from Virtual Schools, Actual Learning: Digital Education in America.

Dec 10, 2025 • 38min
Florida's Erika Donalds on School Choice, Edu Federalism, & K-12 Reform
In this engaging discussion, Erika Donalds, Chair of Education Opportunity at the America First Policy Institute and founder of numerous classical charter schools, shares her journey into education reform. She emphasizes the importance of high-quality curricula and innovative schooling methods like classical education to boost reading and math scores. Donalds advocates for parent-directed funding and expanding school choice, highlighting Florida's leadership in the movement. She also addresses the decline of civic literacy and the need for empowering states over federal control in education.

Dec 3, 2025 • 37min
Sean Geraghty and Mike Goldstein on ADHD, Technology, & Schools
In this week’s episode of The Learning Curve, co-hosts U-Ark. Professor Albert Cheng and Center for Strong Public Schools’ Alisha Searcy speak with Sean Geraghty & Mike Goldstein, authors of I’ll Do It Later: Surviving School (and Renewing the Love) with Your ADHD Son. Geraghty and Goldstein reflected on the academic and personal experiences that fueled their passion to research ADHD and coauthor their latest book. The authors delve into the rise in ADHD diagnoses among young Americans, weighing in on how social media and technology have contributed to dwindling attention spans. Drawing on four case studies from their book, they share lessons from observing families raising children with ADHD and offer guidance for parents facing similar challenges. As many schools work to meet the needs of ADHD learners, Geraghty and Goldstein also discussed how educators can adapt classroom environments to better support broader academic needs.

Nov 26, 2025 • 46min
U-NM's NYT Bestseller Paul Andrew Hutton on the American Old West
Paul Andrew Hutton, a Distinguished Professor of History Emeritus at the University of New Mexico and author of The Undiscovered Country, dives into the rich tapestry of the American West. He explores iconic figures like Daniel Boone and Sitting Bull, shedding light on their roles and legacies. Hutton discusses Buffalo Bill Cody's Wild West Show and its impact on the cowboy's global image as a symbol of American identity. His insights bridge the past's heroes and the mythos they created, all underscored by poignant narratives from his work.


