

She Said Privacy/He Said Security
Jodi and Justin Daniels
This is the She Said Privacy / He Said Security podcast with Jodi and Justin Daniels. Like any good marriage, Jodi and Justin will debate, evaluate, and sometimes quarrel about how privacy and security impact business in the 21st century.
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Feb 1, 2024 • 32min
How Levi’s Values Influences its Privacy Program With Karen McGee
Karen McGee is the Chief Privacy Officer at Levi Strauss & Co., overseeing its privacy program and upholding the company’s principles. She specializes in translating intricate legal frameworks into manageable and legible systems. Karen’s preceding career includes Managing Privacy Counsel at Intel, CPO at LifeLock and General Counsel at ID Analytics. She was honored with the In-House Legal Adviser of the Year Award at the Women in Law Awards by Lawyer Monthly. In this episode… Company values can be taken for granted, but they hold the potential for so much more. When followed and honored correctly, corporate values can define a business. It can bring respect, trust, and even success by maintaining internal and external consistency. Few corporate sectors are as strongly influenced by company values as privacy and security. There is a long history of brands breaking consumer trust and suffering the consequences. It’s a complex topic, requiring agile changes and rigorous supervision. It can be illuminating to look toward companies that have paved the way and set a good example. In this episode of She Said Privacy/He Said Security, Justin and Jodi Daniels are joined by Karen McGee, the Chief Privacy Officer of Levi Strauss & Co., to discuss how Levi’s corporate values apply to its privacy program. They go over AI use cases, new SEC rules on cybersecurity, privacy policy, and how to develop a quality program. They also talk about Karen’s career journey and her advice for other practitioners.

Jan 25, 2024 • 36min
Breaking Down the Washington State My Health, My Data Act With Mike Hintze
Mike Hintze is a recognized expert in privacy and data protection with more than 20 years of experience in the field. He is a Member Partner at Hintze Law, a boutique firm that specializes in privacy and cybersecurity. Previously, Mike was the Chief Privacy Counsel at Microsoft, developing his expertise in data protection and privacy policy for over 18 years. He shares his knowledge as an Affiliate Instructor of Law at the University of Washington School of Law and a Senior Fellow of The Future of Privacy Forum. In this episode… Health data remains a pressing issue in the legal space, especially with the rapid advancement of cloud technology. Physical location is becoming less and less relevant as more data is stored away from the patients. Since Washington hosts such massive servers, they have found themselves in the sights of legislative action. The Washington My Health, My Data Act seeks to protect consumers both in the state and those whose data is collected there. Due to the scope of the Act, businesses and legal professionals are still working to understand the resulting nuances. How does this affect businesses and healthcare facilities? Which consents and requirements will be required? Most importantly, how does this tangibly help consumer privacy? In this episode of She Said Privacy/He Said Security Podcast, Justin and Jodi Daniels sit down with Mike Hintze to break down the Washington My Health, My Data Act. They define consumer health data, how it is designed to be protected, and the ramifications for institutions. They also walk through the most vital tips and advice to navigate the new legal parameters.

Jan 18, 2024 • 35min
Updates and Changes in US State Privacy Laws for 2024 With Andrew Kingman
Andrew Kingman is the President of Mariner Strategies, a premier law firm where he specializes in privacy technology and cybersecurity issues in all 50 states at the legislative and Attorney General levels. As a public policy advocate with experience in compliance, Andrew brings a unique and substantive perspective to discussions on how to best increase consumer privacy protections while maintaining operational workability and cybersecurity protections for businesses. He is a nationally recognized thought leader in the field — in 2020, Andrew was one of 25 attorneys named to Massachusetts Lawyers Weekly Up & Coming Lawyers list. In this episode… The bustling year of 2023 saw the introduction, passage, and signing of various laws — many of which vary from US state to state. What were some of the year’s most significant regulations? Beyond the passage of privacy bills in seven red states, the passage of Washington state’s My Health, My Data Act was the most astonishing event for privacy lawyer Andrew Kingman. This act is the nation’s first privacy-focused law safeguarding personal health data not already covered by HIPAA. Because of this, Andrew warns that companies doing business with Washington state establishments should consider additional data compliance requirements, security measures, and consumer consent and rights. Since robust security measures are required to protect health and data, companies should be aware of the security standards and protocols outlined in the legislation and implement measures to prevent unauthorized access or breaches — all while respecting individual rights and ensuring transparent practices in obtaining and managing such consent. In today’s episode of the She Said Privacy/He Said Security Podcast, Justin and Jodi Daniels welcome Andrew Kingman to discuss integral changes in US State privacy law taking place in 2024. Andrew gives insight into the My Health, My Data Act, state legislature criteria for prioritizing certain bills, and why he’s a proponent of companies implementing data protection assessments.

Jan 11, 2024 • 37min
Navigating Privacy Landscapes: US State Privacy Laws, UK Data Protection, and Cross-Border Transfers
Robert Bateman is a freelance writer who creates privacy and data protection content for blogs, emails, articles, websites, reports, and white papers. He’s been an industry advocate since 2017 and has interviewed leading figures in the privacy field, including Max Schrems and Johnny Ryan. As a thought leader, Robert is a sought-after speaker and panelist for online and in-person privacy conferences, events, and webinars. Because of his thirst for knowledge and passion for privacy, Robert began providing training and consultancy work in 2023. In this episode… The United States and the United Kingdom have different approaches to privacy and data protection. The US has a patchwork of state privacy laws, while the UK has one unified national data protection law. So how can US companies comply with UK data protection laws when transferring data to the UK? Data privacy and protection thought leader Robert Bateman explains that one of the main challenges is understanding the different requirements of US state privacy laws and UK data protection laws. For example, some US states mandate that companies obtain consent from people before collecting their personal information. In contrast, the UK data protection law does not require consent for all types of data collection. To mitigate the risk of fines and other penalties, US companies should examine their data collection and processing procedures to comply with both US state privacy and UK data protection laws. Companies should also seek the counsel of an experienced data privacy attorney to assist them in understanding their obligations and developing a compliance plan. Join Justin and Jodi Daniels in this episode of the She Said Privacy/He Said Security Podcast as privacy and data protection content creator Robert Bateman joins the show. Robert explains the challenges UK data privacy professionals face, the difficulties US companies encounter in understanding UK data transfer rules, and why ICO regulators should adhere to cookie compliance.

Jan 4, 2024 • 33min
Decoding Quebec’s Law 25: What Companies Need To Know With Sharon Bauer
Sharon Bauer is a Lawyer and the Founder of Bamboo Data Consulting, a team of privacy consultants specializing in privacy, security, data strategy, and cutting-edge technology ethics work. As a consultant, she provides privacy solutions for various entities including retail, fintech, health, and education. Sharon is an expert in designing creative privacy programs solving hidden challenges for startups and international corporations. In addition to acting as a virtual chief privacy officer, IT World Canada named Sharon one of the Top 20 Women in Cybersecurity in 2022. In this episode… Quebec Law 25 is Quebec's privacy legislation, which applies to businesses or businesses collecting Quebec data. As a relatively new law, many companies need to know its governance framework. What are the critical concepts of Law 25, and how does it apply to company compliance? Privacy lawyer and consultant Sharon Bauer explains that companies should understand Law 25’s key components: governance, privacy officer, transfer impact assessment, transparency, and employment. However, this privacy legislation does not apply to B2B businesses. Regarding privacy officers, Quebecian CEOs must either appoint a PO or hold themselves accountable for compliance with Law 25. Additionally, companies must adhere to the transfer impact assessment or privacy impact assessment when data is transferred outside of Quebec, when acquiring personal information, or when overhauling electronic service delivery systems involving destroying personal information. Sharon warns that companies that fail to comply with Quebec’s Law 25 are subject to a $25 million fine. In this episode of the She Said Privacy/He Said Security Podcast, Jodi and Justin Daniels welcome Sharon Bauer, Founder of Bamboo Data Consulting, to examine Quebec’s Law 25. Sharon reflects on her career background, discusses the intersection of Law 25 and the GDPR, and Canada’s basis for Personal Information Protection and Electronics Data Act (PIPEDA).

Dec 14, 2023 • 33min
The Paradigm of Adtech Privacy: Using Data Clean Rooms and Opt-In/Opt-Outs To Achieve Compliance
Noga Rosenthal is the Chief Privacy Officer and General Counsel at Ampersand, a data-driven TV advertising sales technology company. Noga possesses extensive expertise in developing and implementing comprehensive privacy programs and oversees the company’s privacy and legal initiatives. Before Ampersand, she served as Chief Privacy Officer at Epsilon, overseeing the company’s worldwide privacy, compliance, and regulatory activities. She also worked as General Counsel and Vice President for Compliance and Policy for the Network Advertising Initiative, where she managed the NAI’s compliance program and ensured that member companies upheld the promise of self-regulation for interest-based advertising. Noga is a member of the Women Leading Privacy Advisory Board of the International Association of Privacy Professionals and the IAB Federal Privacy Working Group. In this episode… The emergence of the adtech ecosystem has created a data-as-a-commodity paradigm that has given rise to privacy laws and regulations restricting targeted advertising and cookie usage. To integrate evolving technology tools with adtech privacy laws, what are some strategies to employ? Noga Rosenthal, an expert in adtech privacy law, asserts that alliances should be formed within the adtech industry. When teams learn from and communicate with each other, it helps to create transparency about data collection. Therefore, it becomes instinct to share information, obtain consumer consent or opt-outs, and collaborate with the Interactive Advertising Bureau and National Advertising Initiative. Another helpful source is the use of data clean rooms — a secure environment that enables organizations to merge data from multiple sources in order to analyze and share data while controlling how, where, and when it is used. Join Justin and Jodi Daniels on today’s episode of the She Said Privacy/He Said Security Podcast, where they welcome Noga Rosenthal, Chief Privacy Officer and General Counsel at Ampersand to discuss adtech privacy laws. Noga shares strategies for integrating adtech privacy laws with evolving technology tools, explains the significance of data clean rooms, and advises how companies can manage privacy risks concerning AI technologies.

Dec 7, 2023 • 26min
How Reliance on AI Technologies Places Smaller Businesses at Risk of Ransomware Attacks With Taylor Hersom
Taylor Hersom is the Founder and CEO of Eden Data, a cybersecurity firm focusing on the next generation of businesses primed to build security and privacy into their DNA. A self-described cybersecurity compliance nerd, he’s passionate about building world-class cybersecurity programs for startups and beyond. Taylor began his career advising Fortune 500 companies on compliance and security at Deloitte before moving on to Renaissance Systems Inc. at RSI, where he was one of the youngest CISOs in the industry. There, he developed an entire security program from the ground up. He’s also a sought-after thought leader who speaks at multiple global organizations, writes blog content on cybersecurity, and serves as a CompTIA Cybersecurity Advisory Council board member. In this episode… Data protection is essential for all companies, including protecting intellectual property and customer data. Once a data breach has occurred, criminals use information like credit card numbers, patents, and trade secrets to engage in multitudes of cyber crimes. What should companies be aware of to protect their data? Due to limited resources and budgets, small businesses and startups are more susceptible to data breaches. This is why many small companies rely on AI technologies to support automated business processes, data analysis insights, and customer engagement. Cybersecurity expert Taylor Hersom explains that AI reliance exposes them to dangers like phishing attacks, deep fake accounts, and AI-powered ransomware. SIM swapping and nation-state cyberattacks, particularly those sponsored by Russia and China, are other threats that put companies at risk of ransomware. Taylor proposes that startups can make a significant impact on security — reducing their breach risk — by allying with legal and security teams. In this episode of the She Said Privacy/He Said Security Podcast, Jodi and Justin Daniels welcome Taylor Hersom, Founder and CEO of Eden Data, to the show. Taylor discusses the common mistakes companies make concerning data protection, various cyber threats, and why companies should be weary of GRC platforms.

Nov 30, 2023 • 28min
Privacy Lawyer Jennifer Mitchell on Employee Data Privacy Under the California Consumer Privacy Act
Jennifer Mitchell is a Partner and the Head of Privacy Governance and Technology Transactions at Baker Hostetler, a law firm specializing in digital risk advisory and cybersecurity, blockchain and digital assets, financial services, and more. Jennifer’s law career spans over 15 years with legal, compliance, and operations expertise. At Baker Hostetler, Jennifer provides business solutions to uphold evolving US state privacy laws in compliance with the General Data Protection Regulation, HIPAA, and California Consumer Privacy Act. In this episode… The amended California Consumer Privacy Act defines employees as consumers. So what does that mean for employee privacy rights? The CCPA affects employee rights by requiring employers to implement security measures to protect employees' personal information. These measures include implementing data security policies and procedures, conducting regular security audits, and training employees on data security best practices. Privacy lawyer Jennifer Mitchell explains that CCPA gives workers the right to request their employers disclose the personal information employers have collected about them. This gives employees the freedom to either opt out of selling their data or have their information deleted from their employer’s records. Additionally, CCPA prohibits companies from discriminating against employees who request their rights. Join Jodi and Justin Daniels in today’s episode of the She Said Privacy/He Said Security Podcast, where they welcome Jennifer Mitchell, Partner at Baker Hostetler, to discuss employee privacy under the California Consumer Privacy Act. Jennifer discusses the difference between “right to know” and “right to delete,” opportunities for employee privacy rights to build relationships between companies and employees, and how company employee monitoring may potentially violate employee privacy rights.

Nov 16, 2023 • 36min
Why Companies Should Outsource CISO Services and How the Role Intersects With Privacy Duties
Olivia Rose is the Founder of Rose CISO Group, which offers virtual chief information security officer services, including assessments, boardroom and leadership communications, and event presentations. She has over 22 years of experience in the industry and has served as the CISO for Amplitude, Mailchimp, and QloudSecure. Before founding Rose CISO Group, Olivia sat on the board of directors at Cyversity, a nonprofit dedicated to increasing diversity in cybersecurity. Olivia has also shared her knowledge and expertise as a faculty member and advisor at IANS, a leading security insights and support provider. In this episode… A chief information security officer is vital to protecting an organization from cyber threats. However, the role has become a watered-down casual term — many people wear the title, but need more training and qualifications. Veteran security professional Olivia Rose asserts that in-house CISOs are expensive resources. Instead, organizations can benefit from outsourcing virtual CISOs, as they are cost-effective, offer an objective viewpoint, and provide higher expertise. In addition to experience and certifications, Olivia maintains that security experts can stay current on trends and jargon by using online educational platforms like Coursera and YouTube. Olivia also recommends taking an introduction to marketing, as it helps them effectively convey messages. In this episode of the She Said Privacy/He Said Security, Jodi and Justin Daniels interview Olivia Rose, Founder of Rose CISO Group, about the role of a virtual chief information security officer. Olivia discusses burnout in the security profession, the qualifications and responsibilities of a vCISO, and who benefits from CISO services.

Nov 9, 2023 • 44min
How Smaller Companies Can Mitigate Cybersecurity Risks and Comply With the New SEC Rules
Brian Haugli is the Co-founder and CEO of SideChannel, a cybersecurity company that provides cyber risk assessment and ensures cybersecurity compliance for mid-sized organizations. He is a 20-year industry veteran who’s led programs for the Department of Defense, the Pentagon, the Intelligence Community, and Fortune 500 companies. With expertise in NIST guidance, threat intelligence implementations, and strategic organization initiatives, Brian is a sought-after speaker and the host of the #CISOlife podcast and YouTube channel. Brian also co-authored Cybersecurity Risk Management: Mastering the Fundamentals Using the NIST Cybersecurity Framework, an analysis of cybersecurity risk planning and management principles. In this episode… Public and private companies should prepare to meet SEC regulations with the new cybersecurity rules set to take effect in December. However, with cybersecurity assessment costs starting at six figures, how can small and mid-sized companies maintain compliance? Organizations that lack the resources of larger corporations can reduce costs by securing an information security consultant. These consultancies develop customized compliance programs to identify specific cybersecurity risks and recommend cost-effective strategies. For companies that adopt this type of service, cybersecurity expert Brian Haugli suggests retaining a CISO for at least 80 hours per month. During this time, a CISO should be able to formulate risk management solutions including acceptance, mitigation, and transfer. In this episode of the She Said Privacy/He Said Security, Jodi and Justin Daniels interview Brian Haugli, CEO of SideChannel, for an in-depth conversation about cybersecurity. Brian discusses the inspiration behind SideChannel and its mission, how mid-size companies can afford to retain a CISO, and procedures for navigating ransomware demands.