
She Said Privacy/He Said Security
This is the She Said Privacy / He Said Security podcast with Jodi and Justin Daniels. Like any good marriage, Jodi and Justin will debate, evaluate, and sometimes quarrel about how privacy and security impact business in the 21st century.
Latest episodes

Oct 21, 2021 • 30min
The Trifecta of Vendor Due Diligence With Caroline McCaffery
Caroline McCaffery is the Co-founder and CEO of ClearOPS, a privacy technology company. The team at ClearOPS dedicates themselves to bridging the gap between privacy and security. Caroline co-founded the business in 2018 after realizing businesses could use help with lengthy security questionnaires. Caroline has over 20 years of experience in law, privacy, and cybersecurity. She frequently speaks on topics covering privacy, information security, and ethics. Caroline is also a Founding Member of Chief, where she is a speaker, advisor, and writer on a variety of issues affecting technology startups. In this episode… When two companies want to do business, especially if one is a service provider, they will send a due diligence request regarding respecting privacy laws. These questionnaires can be 50 questions to over 1,000. Is there any way to help businesses with these astonishingly long surveys? Caroline McCaffery and her team at ClearOPS are dedicated to helping you navigate this process efficiently. Caroline noticed there was a significant communication gap between a client’s lawyers, privacy professionals, and the security team. Factor in the sales team, and you have an even broader gap. She realized that maybe there’s a way to answer all the questions without requiring so much valuable time and resources. Caroline and her business partner started collecting public data for companies first, then utilized her previous AI experience so companies could use their private data to fill in answers from previous questionnaires automatically. The result? Much faster results for lengthy questionnaires. In this episode of She Said Privacy/He Said Security, Jodi and Justin Daniels sit down with Caroline McCaffery, Founder and CEO of ClearOPS, to discuss bridging the gap between your privacy and security departments. Caroline talks about the solutions ClearOPS can offer your company, how sales teams are working with security questionnaires, and a new approach to corporate governance. Stay tuned to hear Caroline’s insights.

Oct 14, 2021 • 31min
Strategies for Disrupting Cybercrime Threats in the Corporate World
Victoria Beckman is the Lead in the Digital Crimes Unit for the Americas Region and Principal Corporate Counsel at Microsoft. Her team is responsible for implementing strategies for disrupting cybercrime and advancing policy and legislation to deter cybercriminals. They use their expertise and a unique view of online criminal networks to uncover evidence to make criminal referrals to appropriate law enforcement agencies worldwide. Victoria graduated from the Sandra Day O’Connor College of Law at Arizona State University. From there, she spent time as an attorney for companies like The Gnoêsis Group and James E. Arnold and Associates before venturing into the world of cybersecurity. Before joining the team at Microsoft, Victoria was a Member and Co-chair of Privacy and Data Security and a Chair of the Latin America Desk at Frost Brown Todd. In this episode… More and more companies realize how badly they need to update their cybersecurity practices. In the struggle to avoid a ransomware attack, what strategies are actually working? Victoria Beckman has seen it all. Some companies panic about new cybersecurity laws and implement software they aren’t sure how to use without understanding if the law actually applies to them. Others check the boxes of security presentations and hours spent training, but employees still aren’t entirely on board. How can you protect your company’s data to the full extent? In this episode of She Said Privacy/He Said Security, Jodi and Justin Daniels sit down with Victoria Beckman to discuss cybersecurity strategies in the corporate world. Victoria talks about why multi-factor authorization is essential, common mistakes companies make when implementing security software, and how to make cybersecurity training sink in across your whole company.

Oct 7, 2021 • 29min
Revolutionizing Cybersecurity Training
Zack Schuler is the Founder and CEO of NINJIO, a cybersecurity training company. NINJIO uses short, engaging Hollywood-style videos to teach organizations, employees, and families how to protect themselves against cyber threats and cyber scams. Zack and his team guide and empower workers at some of the world's largest organizations to prevent cyber attacks. They focus on creatively engaging and educating users to protect their organizations and those around them. Zack graduated from California State University Northridge with a degree in marketing. During college, he founded Cal Net Technology Group, the largest IT Services provider to small and medium-sized businesses in Los Angeles. It was later acquired by Olympic Valley and Boathouse Capital and subsequently by NexusTek, a nationwide IT Service Provider. In this episode… Is your company’s cybersecurity training putting everyone to sleep? Do you wish there was more effective training that wouldn’t be such a snooze-fest? NINJIO is revolutionizing the way companies train employees about cybersecurity. Rather than a boring 45-minute PowerPoint presentation, NINJIO creates short videos with actual Hollywood scriptwriters to teach organizations that online security matters. Regularly scheduled lessons with infographics sink in deeper with every repetition. The training doesn’t stop with the employees either — they have training videos for the whole family so your employees can be secure anywhere. In this episode of She Said Privacy/He Said Security, Jodi and Justin Daniels sit down with Zack Schuler, Founder and CEO of NINJIO, to discuss how to improve your company’s cybersecurity training. Zack talks about the neuroscience that backs up NINJIO’s strategy, why your executives’ attitude about training matters, and how to make cybersecurity practices as automatic as locking your car door. Stay tuned!

Sep 30, 2021 • 35min
Using AI to Protect Children Online
Lisa Thee leads Launch Consulting Group’s Data for Good practice, where she helps the world’s most innovative healthcare and global technology companies improve digital safety using AI and machine learning. Previously, Lisa was the Co-founder and CEO of Minor Guard, an AI software company focused on making children safer online and in real life. She also currently serves as an advisory board member for Humaxa, tCheck, Spectrum Labs, and Marketplace Risk, and as a member of the Board of Directors for 3Strands Global Foundation. Lisa has been named as a top thought leader and woman in business by Thinkers360. Additionally, she is the co-author of Demystifying Artificial Intelligence for the Enterprise and the host of the Navigating Forward podcast. In this episode… We all want to protect our children online — and AI is proving to be an incredibly effective tool for doing just that. So, how exactly can you use AI to eliminate crimes like child pornogrophy and human trafficking? If a child is missing and officials suspect the child is being trafficked, there’s a 75% chance they’re being sold online. But, if the only option detectives have is to scroll through ad after ad, they are wasting valuable time to find the missing child. With AI facial recognition technology, on the other hand, a computer can do a much quicker search and identify the closest matches. Now, police can quickly recover the child and build a case against the trafficker instead of wasting precious time scrolling. In this episode of She Said Privacy/He Said Security, Jodi and Justin Daniels sit down with Lisa Thee, the lead for Launch Consulting Group’s Data for Good practice, to talk about using AI to protect children online. Lisa explains how AI can speed up criminal research, her tips for protecting your children’s privacy and security, and how to better collaborate as a society to combat human trafficking.

Sep 23, 2021 • 30min
Building Atlanta Into a Cybersecurity Empire
Grant Wainscott is the Vice President of Ecosystem Expansion at the Metro Atlanta Chamber. Grant leads a team of professional global economic developers to retain, expand, and attract new jobs and investment to the metro Atlanta region. Grant is a seasoned global executive with over 20 years of experience in economic and community development, organizational development, and cross-border initiatives and partnerships. Previously, Grant was the Director of the Office of Economic Development and Film for the Clayton County Board of Commissioners, the Director of Economic Development for the City of Morrow, and the Vice President of Community and Economic Development for the Clayton County Chamber of Commerce. In this episode… The city of Atlanta is many things to many people, but it’s increasingly becoming known for one thing in the technology world: cybersecurity. So, how has Atlanta grown into the cybersecurity hub it is today? Grant Wainscott, a member of the Metro Atlanta Chamber, says you can’t grow a region without amazing partners. It’s not just the businesses that are forging the city — it’s the market makers, the market movers, and the people that can help tell Atlanta’s story. In order to make a region their hub, companies want transparency from the experts — the good, the bad, and the ugly — and the Metro Atlanta Chamber and other specialists in the cybersecurity space are doing just that. In this episode of She Said Privacy/He Said Security, Jodi and Justin Daniels sit down with Grant Wainscott, Vice President of Ecosystem Expansion for the Metro Atlanta Chamber, to discuss how Atlanta has become a focal point for cybersecurity companies. Grant talks about how the city’s cybersecurity efforts have changed over the last few years, his predictions for its future technology ecosystem, and why community is the key to building better collaboration between the cybersecurity and privacy spaces.

Sep 16, 2021 • 34min
Planning Ahead for a Public Relations Crisis
Dave Oates is an Accredited Public Relations (APR) specialist and the Principal of PR Security Service. Dave helps organizations repair their brand’s reputation in the press and online through any PR situation, including mass layoffs, product recalls, employee misconduct, and cybersecurity breaches. Dave has over 25 years of crisis PR experience. He’s shared his expertise with HuffPost, Washington Business Journal, NBC, and more. He also wrote the book, Manage COVID-19 Crisis PR for Nursing Homes, which is based on his experiences helping over 50 facilities during the pandemic. Additionally, Dave is the producer and instructor for two LinkedIn learning courses on Crisis Communications. In this episode… It’s an unfortunate reality that ransomware attacks are now a regular part of business. No matter how large or small your organization is, the threat of attack is imminent. So, what do you tell your customers if and when it happens? Dave Oates, a crisis public relations specialist, says the time to prepare is now — before the crisis happens. There’s a delicate balance between waiting until you have substantial information to report and being transparent and upfront with your communications. According to Dave, if you don’t say something quickly enough, someone else will set the narrative — and with social media tyrants on the loose, this may only cause more problems for your company. So, what is Dave’s advice for navigating the minefield of media relations tactfully? In this episode of She Said Privacy/He Said Security, Jodi and Justin Daniels sit down with Dave Oates, a crisis PR expert, to discuss how to handle public relations during a cybersecurity breach. Dave talks about why planning ahead is crucial, how to communicate with your customers during a crisis, and the benefits of hiring a PR specialist. Stay tuned.

Sep 9, 2021 • 25min
Cybersecurity: The 21st Century Digital Seatbelt
Tammy Taylor is the President of Advantum Health. Advantum Health’s team helps thousands of healthcare providers manage their revenue cycles to speed reimbursements and patient payments. Tammy is a veteran leader in revenue cycle management and has held senior positions in corporate compliance, hospital and physician revenue cycle, and large-group practice management. Previously, Tammy was the Director and CBO of Revenue Cycle at the Methodist Hospital of Henderson, Kentucky, a Senior Manager of Corporate Compliance and IT Senior Analyst for Inova Health System, and a Hospital Corpsman and Certified OR Tech for the US Navy. In this episode… If you fly frequently, you probably have the pre-takeoff safety check memorized. They always say that in case of an emergency, put the oxygen mask on your child before yourself, right? Wrong. Safety attendants always instruct flyers to put a mask on themselves before helping others — after all, it’s impractical to secure others if your own safety is at risk. The same goes for data privacy and security. As an organization, you’re dedicated to helping as many people as possible. But how can you do that if your data practices aren’t secure? You would never think of getting on a rollercoaster without putting on a seatbelt, so why would you think of collecting data without putting effective cybersecurity practices in place first? In this episode of She Said Privacy/He Said Security, Jodi and Justin Daniels sit down with Tammy Taylor, the President of Advantum Health, to discuss the future of cybersecurity in the healthcare industry. Tammy talks about her tips for preventing security breaches, how HIPAA is falling behind with advancing technology, and why she highly recommends multi-factor authentication.

Sep 2, 2021 • 23min
The Future of Shared Breach and Security Data
Jeff Jockisch is the CEO at PrivacyPlan, a company that offers privacy datasets, consulting, and training. Jeff is a Certified Information Privacy Professional who specializes in data privacy laws, data broker research, data breach reporting, AI regulation, and privacy-enhancing technologies. Jeff also curates a privacy podcast database. Previously, Jeff was the Director of Marketing for CSR Privacy Solutions, Inc., the Content Manager for Treatment Management Company, and the Creative Strategist for Fractl. In this episode… Cybercrime is running rampant throughout this country. However, most companies hesitate to report a problem for fear of a huge PR scandal. There’s a lack of data sharing, reporting standards, and breach alert systems for businesses. But, what if there was one place you could go to manage data breach and security reports? The team at Data Collaboration Alliance is making this a reality with their Cyber Event Self-Reporting (CESR) Collab. The goal of this project is to create a system where companies can report security incidents and breaches using zero-copy technology, thereby sharing the information with the rest of the industry anonymously. By doing this, they can report data safely and securely without taking a PR hit. In this episode of She Said Privacy/He Said Security, Jodi and Justin Daniels sit down with Jeff Jockisch, the CEO of PrivacyPlan, to discuss the future of shared breach and security data. Jeff talks about the inspiration behind Cyber Event Self-Reporting (CESR), how to create a collaborative approach to ransomware, and his top privacy and security tips.

Aug 26, 2021 • 26min
The Truth About Election Security With the General Counsel for the Georgia Secretary of State
Ryan Germany is the General Counsel and Assistant Commissioner of Securities & Charities for the Georgia Secretary of State. Ryan oversees all legal functions for the Secretary of State’s office, including litigation, compliance, and regulatory actions. He also investigates allegations of securities and charities fraud, brings appropriate enforcement action, and helps businesses raise capital through the Invest Georgia Exemption. Previously, Ryan was an Associate with Lightfoot, Franklin & White, where he represented businesses in the financial services, technology, real estate, natural resources, and aviation/aerospace industries. In this episode… These days, a big question on everyone's mind is election security. Each region handles it differently — sometimes the process even varies across a single state. So, how exactly are states addressing election security? What type of planning is involved? Meet Ryan Germany, a lawyer for the Georgia Secretary of State. He says the misconceptions surrounding ballot security have intensified since 2018, and their office is often playing “rumor whack-a-mole.” More and more politicians are claiming voter fraud in an effort to get a re-vote. So, how do you know what to believe on the news? Is voting as insecure as they say? In this episode of She Said Privacy/He Said Security, Jodi and Justin Daniels sit down with Ryan Germany, the General Counsel and Assistant Commission of Security & Charities for the Georgia Secretary of State, to discuss how states are handling security measures for voting. Ryan talks about the misconceptions surrounding elections, the benefits of a uniform voting system across a state, and whether or not absentee ballots are secure.

Aug 19, 2021 • 14min
Jodi & Justin's Top 5 Privacy & Security Trends 2021
Jodi Daniels is the Founder and CEO of Red Clover Advisors, a boutique data privacy consultancy and one of the few certified Women’s Business Enterprises focused solely on privacy. Since its launch, Red Clover Advisors has helped hundreds of companies create privacy programs, achieve GDPR, CCPA, and US privacy law compliance, and establish a secure online data strategy that their customers can count on. Jodi is a Certified Informational Privacy Professional (CIPP/US) with over 20 years of experience helping a range of businesses in privacy, marketing, strategy, and finance roles. She has worked with numerous companies throughout her corporate career, including Deloitte, The Home Depot, Cox Enterprises, Bank of America, and many more. Jodi is also a national keynote speaker, a member of the Forbes Business Council, and the co-host of the She Said Privacy/He Said Security podcast. Justin Daniels is a cybersecurity subject matter expert and business attorney who helps his clients implement strategies to better manage and recover from data breaches. As outsourced general counsel for Baker Donelson, Justin advises executives on how to successfully navigate cyber business and legal concerns related to operations, M&A, incident response, and more. In 2017, Justin founded and led the inaugural Atlanta Cyber Week, where multiple organizations held events that attracted more than 1,000 attendees. Justin is also a TEDx and keynote speaker and the co-host of the She Said Privacy/He Said Security podcast with his wife, Jodi. In this episode… Technology is constantly evolving, and so are data privacy and security policies. So, what has changed in 2021 — and what still needs to happen? Privacy and security experts Jodi and Justin Daniels wish companies would think more about their privacy statements, for starters. When they went shopping for a new mattress, the sales associate was quick to point out how the mattress could track your heart rate, how well you slept, and whether or not you tossed and turned. However, the most crucial information was missing: how did the company plan to use that data? Was there a way to maintain privacy? As Jodi and Justin say, this lack of conversation about privacy and security is just one of several concerning trends. In this episode of She Said Privacy/He Said Security, Jodi and Justin Daniels sit down to discuss the top five privacy and security trends of 2021. Listen in as they talk about why the Colonial Pipeline incident was a game-changer for business cybersecurity, the struggle of balancing convenience vs. privacy, and why it’s important to pay attention to privacy and security notices. Stay tuned.