

Class Disrupted
Diane Tavenner and Michael Horn
with Diane Tavenner and Michael Horn
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Feb 21, 2025 • 0sec
Why AI Doesn’t Think Like Us
Techno-optimists have high hopes for how AI will improve learning. But what’s the merit of the “bull case”, and what are the technology’s risks? To think through those questions, Michael and Diane sit down with Ben Riley of Cognitive Resonance, a “think and do” tank dedicated to improving decisions using cognitive science. They evaluate the cases made for AI, unpack its potential hazards, and discuss how schools can prepare for it.
https://archive.org/download/ben-riley-ai-audio/Ben%20Riley%20AI%20-%20Audio.mp3
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Feb 6, 2025 • 0sec
Democratizing Access to Expertise: AI in Education
On this episode, John Bailey, who advises on AI and innovation at a number of organizations, including the American Enterprise Institute, Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, and more, joins Michael and Diane. They discuss AI’s potential to democratize access to expertise, weigh the costs and benefits of its efficiency-boosting applications, and consider how it will change skills required for the workforce of the future.
https://archive.org/download/john-bailey-audio/John%20Bailey%20-%20Audio.mp3
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Jan 22, 2025 • 0sec
Our ‘Biases’ About AI
At the outset of an AI-themed season, our hosts take stock of their prior assumptions, hopes, and concerns about the technology’s applications in education. They dive into where they see it being used to make adjustments to the current educational model and envision how it could be applied to revolutionize learning.
https://archive.org/download/our-biases-about-ai-audio/Our%20%27Biases%27%20about%20AI%20-%20Audio.mp3
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Dec 3, 2024 • 0sec
We’re Back—with Job Moves
As Diane and Michael launch a sixth season of Class Disrupted, they talk through Michael’s newest book, the bestseller Job Moves: 9 Steps for Making Progress in Your Career, and map its implications back to K12 schools and students through Diane’s startup, Futre.me.
https://archive.org/download/class-disrupted-s-6-e-1-final/Class%20Disrupted%20S6%20E1%20final.mp3
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Aug 6, 2024 • 0sec
What the Science Shows a Mentorship Mindset Can Do for Student Motivation
David Yeager, a psychology professor at the University of Texas Austin and author focusing on youth development, dives into the impact of mentorship on student motivation. He shares insights from his new book on how to foster a mentorship mindset that balances high expectations with strong support. The discussion highlights the importance of transparency and reframing stress as a growth opportunity. Yeager emphasizes cultivating purpose and belonging in education, showcasing how effective mentorship can transform challenges into motivation.

Jun 10, 2024 • 0sec
Concerning Trends in Philanthropy for Education Reform
Michael and Diane welcome Stacey Childress, Senior Education Advisor at McKinsey & Co., back to the show to discuss the world of education philanthropy. Stacey draws from her previous experience at New Schools Venture Fund and the Gates Foundation to analyze troubling trends in the sector. The three discuss what funders and operators can do to grow philanthropic investment in education and better deploy those funds.
https://archive.org/download/76806-future-of-education-concerning-trends-in-philanthropy-for-education-reform/76806_Future%20of%20Education_Concerning%20Trends%20in%20Philanthropy%20for%20Education%20Reform.mp3
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May 31, 2024 • 0sec
Tackling All That K12 Schools Try to Do: The Solutions (Part 2)
Michael and Diane welcome back Stacey Childress, Senior Education Advisor at McKinsey & Co., for the second episode of a two-part series on the challenges facing K-12 education and promising strategies for addressing them. In this episode, each of them makes the case for one high-impact reform to address the challenges laid out in the previous episode. They discuss reforming how schools evaluate and recommend students, unbundling the core education experience, and doing more to instill character in values through education.
https://archive.org/download/future-of-education-k-12-solutions-part-2-audio/Future%20of%20Education%20-%20K12%20solutions%20part%202%20-Audio.mp3
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May 16, 2024 • 0sec
Tackling All That K12 Schools Try to Do: The Challenges (Part 1)
Michael and Diane welcome back Stacey Childress, Senior Education Advisor at McKinsey & Co., for the first of a two-part series on the challenges facing K-12 education and promising strategies for addressing them. In this episode, they outline the nine roles of K–12 education systems in the U.S. and the problems they face in playing each. They highlight the disconnect between current teaching models and the latest learning sciences, unravel the operational challenges schools face, stress the importance of intentionally teaching character and values, and more.
https://archive.org/download/75340-future-of-education-what-k-12-education-tries-to-do-and-where-it-misses/75340_Future%20of%20Education_What%20K12%20Education%20Tries%20To%20Do%20and%20Where%20it%20Misses.mp3
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Mar 16, 2024 • 0sec
In Conversation on College: Weighing in on Two Investors’ Diagnoses and Proposals for Higher Ed Part II
Stacey Childress, Senior Advisor on Education at McKinsey, joins Michael and Diane for the second episode of a two-part series weighing in on Marc Andreseen and Ben Horowitz’s recent analysis of higher education. In this second episode, they react to the venture capitalists’ proposed solutions for higher education. They evaluate the investors’ recommendations and added their own prescriptions along the way.
https://archive.org/download/in-conversation-on-college-part-ii/In%20Conversation%20on%20College%20Part%20II.mp3
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Mar 16, 2024 • 0sec
In Conversation on College: Weighing in on Two Investors’ Diagnoses and Proposals for Higher Ed Part I
Michael and Diane welcome Stacey Childress, Senior Advisor on Education at McKinsey, to the podcast for a two-part series weighing in on Marc Andreseen and Ben Horowitz’s recent analysis of higher education. In this first episode, they react to the venture capitalists’ diagnosis of the problems with higher education. They give their vote of where the investors got it right, called out points of disagreement, and added their own insights along the way.
https://archive.org/download/in-conversation-on-college-part-i/In%20Conversation%20on%20College%20Part%20I.mp3
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