Money Maze Podcast

To mark two years since the show's inception, we're pleased to present this update of how the podcast is progressing and evolving to further serve our fantastic community.  From the very beginning, we set out to share insightful and engaging conversations with leaders in both the investment and business worlds, backed by high quality research and first-hand experience in finance.  Have a listen to this quick message here to learn about our mission and plans.  Sign up to our newsletter for more in-depth insights | Follow us on LinkedIn  

Billionaire hedge fund manager and philanthropist, Sir Chris Hohn, discusses his journey from immigrant roots to Harvard Business School, his charity work, and his 'say on climate' initiative targeting corporations lacking climate transition plans. He emphasizes the impact of climate change on poverty, child destitution, and the planet, pushing for corporate accountability and emissions disclosure.

To celebrate our two year anniversary, we're resharing some of the most popular episodes of 2021. In this episode, we welcomed Nicolai Tangen onto the show. Nicolai is the CEO of Norges Bank Investment Management (NBIM), which administers Norway's sovereign wealth fund, the world's largest. This episode was originally released in June 2021.  In this podcast, we have an enlightening conversation with Nicolai Tangen, CEO of the Norwegian Sovereign Wealth Fund and seasoned and successful investor. Norway’s great wealth is in large part courtesy of its oil riches, discovered in 1969. With great vision, the Government’s response to the discovery was the decision to create a separate, segregated fund, away from politicians’ grasp, to serve Norway’s current and future citizens. Nicolai describes his education and early investing experiences at Cazenove and Egerton, before starting the extremely successful hedge fund AKO. He talks about his education, refreshed throughout his career, and his decision to become the CEO of Norway’s SWF, otherwise known as Pension Fund Global. Nicolai talks about his immense delight in being appointed CEO, and how the investment strategy is evolving under his stewardship. He speaks about his wish to use risk in a slightly more productive way, how private assets are assessed and incorporated going forward, and how deep forensic analysis such as that undertaken in the case of Wirecard will lead them to exclude companies that might otherwise be owned as part of their ownership of 9,000 globally. The conversation encompasses a discussion about the lofty valuations exhibited within ESG assets, the stocks excluded from their investment portfolio and shown on the website, and the tension between divesting and remaining a shareholder of companies in transition. Nicolai explains why techniques drawn from behavioural analysis can help them assess the risks embedded within potential investments; the resilience that can be learned from top athletes, the dangers of inflation returning and the long term challenges facing investors and the world more generally. Finally he offers some pithy Norwegian advice on cooking, sailing, endurance, charity and why introverts are such an underutilised asset.

Sign up to our newsletter for more in-depth insights | Follow us on LinkedIn In this special episode of the Money Maze Podcast, we are extraordinarily fortunate to have General Sir Nick Carter talk to us. If the world was already becoming more fractured, divided, uncertain and worrisome- the Russian invasion of Ukraine has made that landscape vastly more troubled. Sir Nick has sat at the top table of global military and security issues both real and strategized, fathoming these complexities, and begins with a detailed evaluation of the current Ukraine war. Sir Nick offers his insights into the background and future of this situation, and then moves onto the wider geopolitical landscape, with insights on China, the Middle East, Cyber, threats to democracy, how the UK can use its strengths in this world and the evolving nature of war. A tour de force!

Sign up to our newsletter for more in-depth insights | Follow us on LinkedIn The combination of trust, experience, neutrality and secrecy were the foundations of Switzerland’s reputation as a centre for private banking, and despite globalisation, regulation, and competition from all quarters, Swiss financial institutions have maintained their position of influence, with three Swiss firms in the top ten of global wealth managers. To help explore this landscape, we welcome one of these top ten firms, and the CEO of its UK business, David Durlacher. David discusses how wealthy clients have very different goals from earlier periods, their changing priorities, how Julius Baer manages the challenge of serving different international markets, and the contrasting styles of those clients. He discusses the debate in families between selling versus retaining a family business, why a client might seek out Julius Baer as its chosen partner, and how they differentiate themselves within a crowded field. He covers the lending component of their business, why they seek to be a “sparring partner” for their clients, and why the UK represents a compelling growth opportunity for their business. Finally, in an unusual exchange, Davis discusses the role religion plays in framing his thinking about investing and the future.

Sign up to our newsletter for more in-depth insights | Follow us on LinkedIn   Gavyn Davies has more on his CV than most can imagine. In his varied career, he’s been advisor to the Labour government of Jim Callaghan, the Chief Economist at Goldman Sachs, Chair of the BBC, founder of Active Private Equity, and now Chairman of Fulcrum Asset Management. He’s also an active writer for the FT and Guardian. Gavyn starts by describing his early work as an economic advisor to the Labour governments of 1974-79, the inflation challenges they faced, and remedies implemented. He describes the emergence of Goldman Sachs on the international stage, the evolution of macro thinking, and serving as one of the “wise men” for two UK Chancellors. He then describes the challenge and opportunity for the BBC, the subsequent decision to launch Fulcrum Asset Management and their more defensive approach to managing capital. In particular, he discusses the rationale for allocating to hedge funds - and other assets - but why lower returns should be expected. Gavyn then compares the inflationary headwinds of the 1970/80s with today, why the Fed’s response is needed and should be taken seriously, fiscal policy and the withdrawal of the turbo-charged COVID responses, and which currencies he prefers. He goes on to discuss the challenges of excessive flows into the world of private equity, the attributes he looks for in allocating capital to venture PE and then in a series of rapid fire questions, he reveals his views on golf, the next PM, education, and why he loves to come to work on the London buses.

Sign up to our newsletter for more in-depth insights | Follow us on LinkedIn Hamish Baillie, long term Partner and Investment Director at Ruffer, which is listed on the London Stock Exchange, joins the Money Maze Podcast to discuss their unbenchmarked, differentiated approach to managing portfolios. Hamish explains that over the 26 years since inception, by following their key investment principles, annualised returns have compounded at 9%, with a low level of volatility. Hamish observes that “our clients have typically made money in good markets and been sheltered from market crises”. He explains their desire to build the portfolio with less correlated assets, why capital preservation is at the forefront of their approach and why their portfolios look very different from many others. The discussion drills down into inflation threats and the assets deployed to mitigate that reality, why Ruffer believes the storm clouds are gathering and how “markets will grind lower and lower, punctuated by rallies of prodigious strength”. Finally there a discussion on the merits of gold, why Ruffer has been investing in oil equities, and an explanation of their large overweight to UK index linked debt and equity.

Sign up to our newsletter for more in-depth insights | Follow us on LinkedIn Today we turn to music as an investment theme, and our guest has worked with the greats, from Elton John to Beyonce, and has been in the front row of the music business for nearly 40 years. He is CEO of Hipgnosis Songs Fund Ltd, a FTSE 250 company and the first UK investment company offering a pure play exposure to songs and music IP. Music and back catalogues have seen growing investor interest and a number of vehicles have, and are being developed to offer investors access to long duration income streams, often via listed entities. Merck talks about growing up in Canada, making it to his first Kiss concert, working for Simon Draper and Richard Branson at Virgin records, before spending nearly 2 decades at Sanctuary music, where his client list featured some of the great musicians of all time. He talks about the changing nature of the music business, from the Bowie Bonds to the astonishing development that today over 90 % of US households have a music streaming subscription. From a discretionary purchase to a utility within a decade! Merck explains the current economics of the revenue splits, and why he believes that the artists have often not received a fair deal. He explains how a $12 monthly music subscription is split. He then details how Hipgnosis has acquired 57,000 songs and spent £1.2bn since listing on the London Stock Exchange three years ago, and why buying the highest quality catalogues of proven songs generates current and new revenue opportunities through song management. He talks about the rights once the catalogues are owned that endure 70 years after the artist’s death and whose revenues can accrue to investors. Equally he explains how owning the song allows you to take as an example, Blondie’s Heart of Glass and not just license it to TikTok, but reinvent it with current artists like Miley Cyrus. Merck talks about song selection, helping insert songs into movies and commercials, maximising song potential and how technology is changing the music business.  He explains why London was chosen for the listing, reflects on some of the greats with whom he has worked and concludes that the new world of music makes it compelling for investing and for job prospects. And the show closes with the great line….“If you got the money honey, I got the time, and when you run out of money honey I run out of time”. Originally released in April 2021, we're pleased to be featuring Merck's episode again in light of today's inflationary environment, which has resulted in many investors looking to the world of alternative assets to mitigate their risks and capitalise on fast-growing markets. In October 2021, the firm enjoyed a $1 billion cash injection from Blackstone, who also took a stake in the business.

Sign up to our newsletter for more in-depth insights | Follow us on LinkedIn In this conversation, Vulcan’s C.T. Fitzpatrick explains the skills he acquired during 17 years at South Eastern Asset Management before founding Vulcan Value Partners in 2007. Today the firm manages approximately $20 billion, with a team of 64, all based in Birmingham, Alabama. He explains his approach to identifying and defining “high quality businesses”, the margin of safety he seeks, the goal of avoiding permanent capital loss and the investment similarities and differences with Warren Buffett. He talks about constructing a portfolio of between 20-40 companies and the moat he requires in his investment companies. He discusses his aversion to the wrong types of corporate debt, why he avoids macro judgements, the importance of temperament and discipline in investing, and why he is optimistic about the investment opportunities in his universe.

Sign up to our newsletter for more in-depth insights | Follow us on LinkedIn In today’s conversation Luba Nikulina talks about an upbringing that began in Lithuania, then part of the USSR, and her route to joining Willis Towers Watson (WTW), the leading global advisory firm with 45,000 employees globally, and where she has spent the last 17 years. The discussion begins with WTW’s investment approach,  a perspective on how strategic and tactical asset allocation have evolved and why Luba believes it is increasingly helpful to think more in terms of allocating risks, than portfolio construction via the rear-view mirror. She explains why she feels strongly in the case for more active and less passive, smart beta, the Net Zero Asset Managers Initiative, the process around identifying and selecting managers, and their increasing focus and preference for a team as opposed to star manager approach when selecting investment managers to partner with. She talks about why it is increasingly accepted that investors should not allow the use of external carbon offsets as a significant long-term strategy for decarbonisation, the relevance of neurodiversity, and her perspectives on the future landscape of the investment management industry. Finally she makes the recommendation that senior employees and corporate leaders should think about the value of taking a non-executive position whilst they still are fully engaged in their job instead of waiting until they leave.