
#SistersInLaw
Politicon brings the brilliant team of political and legal masterminds together for Politicon's #SistersInLaw.
Joyce Vance, Jill Wine-Banks, Barb McQuade, and Kimberly Atkins Stohr will pull back the curtain on how our government actually works, take on the corrupt, share their wisdom and give us their rulings on the latest in politics, law, and culture.
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Mar 25, 2023 • 55min
122: Make It So
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#SistersInLaw discuss the latest news coming from the Manhattan DA regarding the Stormy Daniels related case that might get Donald indicted. Then, they look at recent developments in the special councel’s classified documents investigation against him, and the significance of his choice of Waco, TX for his upcoming rally and the events that made that city a touchstone of the alt-right.
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Mar 18, 2023 • 1h 6min
121: What To Expect When You’re Expecting…An Indictment
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#SistersInLaw discuss the threat to women’s rights coming from big corporations like Walgreen’s and our power as consumers to boycott and make our voices heard. Then, they break down the multiple possibilities for indictment facing Donald in the states and from the federal government, before examining the perils of Tucker being able to control the J6 narrative at Fox.
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Mar 11, 2023 • 1h 3min
120: Gone Fishin
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#SistersInLaw lay out the ramifications of the Dominion lawsuit against Fox News and what it means for the future of their analysis and reporting, before covering the latest developments in the abortion war– including how Walgreens has shied away from protecting women’s access to the pill, and the possible legal remedies. Then, they examine policing practices in the wake of events in Louisville.
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From #SistersInLaw
From Jill
NY Times article about “Birthright”
You can watch “Birthright” on PlutoTV
From Kim
On the latest in the abortion wars
From Barb
On recent J6 developments
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Jill Wine-Banks: Twitter | Facebook | Website | Author of The Watergate Girl: My Fight For Truth & Justice Against A Criminal President
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Barb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

Mar 4, 2023 • 55min
119: Bad Things Are Gonna Happen!
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#SistersInLaw explain the two cases before the SCOTUS seeking to undermine President Biden’s student loan relief and how they might be decided. They also discuss the DOJ’s consideration of civil suits targeting Trump’s actions that resulted in injuries during the J6 insurrection, before taking on Governor DeSantis’ authoritarian war on Disney and the 1st Amendment.
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From #SistersInLaw
From Kim
On SCOTUS Chief Justice Roberts’ Most Recent Actions
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Barb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

Feb 25, 2023 • 1h 2min
118: Trump Investigations, Legal Lies & The Internet
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#SistersInLaw break down the latest subpoenas and investigation developments involving Trump– including the targeting of Jared and Ivanka and the grand juror’s ill-advised media tour. Then, they look at the lies of Mark Brnovich relating to important 2020 election information, before discussing Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act and anti-terrorism law.
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From #SistersInLaw
From Barb
On grand juror Emily Kors going on a media tour
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Jill Wine-Banks: Twitter | Facebook | Website | Author of The Watergate Girl: My Fight For Truth & Justice Against A Criminal President
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Barb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

Feb 18, 2023 • 1h 3min
117: Well…We’re Waiting!
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#SistersInLaw assemble to discuss the ongoing cases against Trump, what to expect from possible witnesses, and the progress being made by Jack Smith. Then, they break down the cruelty of regressive laws in multiple states targeting drag performers and other minorities before looking at the Georgia Grand Jury report and what it means for what comes next.
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From #SistersInLaw
From Kim
On Pence’s attempts to avoid testimony
From Joyce
Abortion rights & conservative hypocrisy
Reports trump will litigate Executive Privilege
Pence and the Speech or Debate Clause
On Meadows & Corcoran as Trump witnesses
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Jill Wine-Banks: Twitter | Facebook | Website | Author of The Watergate Girl: My Fight For Truth & Justice Against A Criminal President
Kimberly Atkins Stohr: Twitter | Boston Globe | WBUR | Unbound Newsletter
Barb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

Feb 11, 2023 • 1h 2min
116: Elephant In A Mouse Hole
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#SistersInLaw convene this week to discuss the Grand Jury subpoena of Mike Pence in relation to the events of J6 and how it might deliver the crucial information needed to indict Trump. Then, they look at how the 13th amendment could defend against recent abortion restrictions, and the link between terrorism and hate crimes demonstrated by recent attacks by extremists on the power grid.
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From #SistersInLaw
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Barb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

Feb 4, 2023 • 1h 1min
115: Sisters On The Road!
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The #SistersInLaw come together to analyze the perils and pitfalls of the growing momentum towards investigating the DOJ in the Republican congress, and compare and contrast the legally fraught actions of SCOTUS partners Ginni Thomas and Jane Roberts. Then, they discuss the latest front in the abortion wars over the pill, and why there might be protections granted by Federal preemption doctrine.
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From The #Sisters
A comparison of Jane Roberts vs. Ginni Thomas
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Jill Wine-Banks: Twitter | Facebook | Website | Author of The Watergate Girl: My Fight For Truth & Justice Against A Criminal President
Kimberly Atkins Stohr: Twitter | Boston Globe | WBUR | Unbound Newsletter
Barb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

Jan 28, 2023 • 1h 17min
114: Another Bombshell
The #SistersInLaw meet this week to pick apart the weaknesses of the Durham investigations, exploring who’s complicit, and who is pushing back. Then, they discuss the traitorous activities involving Russian oligarchs committed by FBI counterintelligence agent Charles McGonigal, and dive into the facts surrounding the tragic police killing of a suspect in Memphis.
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From The #Sisters:
New York Times article
Charges against McGonigal
Charles McGonigal’s double life
From Joyce on the DOJ’s response to the police involved killing in Memphis
Get More From The #Sisters In Law
Joyce Vance: Twitter | University of Alabama Law | MSNBC | Civil Discourse Substack
Jill Wine-Banks: Twitter | Facebook | Website | Author of The Watergate Girl: My Fight For Truth & Justice Against A Criminal President
Kimberly Atkins Stohr: Twitter | Boston Globe | WBUR | Unbound Newsletter
Barb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC

Jan 21, 2023 • 1h 1min
113: The Leaker
The #SistersInLaw come together to analyze the involuntary manslaughter charges facing Alec Baldwin stemming from the shooting on the Rust set, and how gun enhancements have a role. Then they look at how the SCOTUS search for the Dobbs leaker has been handled and it’s relative weaknesses before diving into the case Elon’s shareholders have against him stemming from his reckless actions.
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From The #Sisters This Week:
Support The ERA:
Flood President Biden’s office and that of Jennifer Klein, head of the White House Gender Policy Council, with emails, letters, and phone calls. Or Click here to send a note: LINK: White House.
Contact your Congressional Representatives and U.S. Senators and ask them to take action to persuade President Biden to do this or to make sure that Congress passes a resolution like the ones Representatives Speier and Maloney sponsored in the last Congress or the one Senator Cardin is now sponsoring.
Write letters to the editor or opinion pieces - and share them. You can also share this piece and the posts of ERA advocates on social media. LINKS
Join groups actively advocating for the ERA - such as Vote Equality, the ERA Coalition, NOW, AAUW, Zonta, and the League of Women Voters.
Ask your State legislatures to pass resolutions like the one in the Illinois General Assembly filed by State Rep Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz. It affirms the ERA and asks the various branches of the national government to take action to do the same.
Jill’s Cauliflower Soup Recipe:
EASY CAULIFLOWER SOUP
INGREDIENTS
1 head cauliflower, about 2 lbs.
Salt
Pepper
Unsalted butter (optional, recommended) - you can sub olive oil or a high quality vegan butter like Earth Balance, if you like
OPTIONAL TOPPING IDEAS:
Drizzle of olive oil or sesame oil, crumbled blue cheese, parmesan, za'atar
YOU WILL ALSO NEED:
Medium saucepan, blender
Total Time: 10 Minutes
Servings: 4 servings
Kosher Key: Pareve or Dairy
Remove the leaves and tough core from the cauliflower. Chop into small florets and carefully clean them.
In a medium saucepan, bring 1 quart (4 cups) of water to a boil. Stir in 2 tsp of salt till dissolved. Pour in the cauliflower florets. Bring the water back to a boil and cover. Let the cauliflower cook for about 5 minutes till very soft and tender.
Remove the florets from their cooking water using a slotted spoon; reserve the salted cooking water.
Place the cooked cauliflower into a blender, filling it halfway. Carefully pour in cooking water, adding till it reaches about halfway up the cooked cauliflower.
Cover the blender carefully and blend, scraping the sides as needed, until the soup becomes a smooth puree. You may need to add more cooking water to achieve a soup-like texture. The longer you blend, the more silky and smooth the soup becomes. Add salt, pepper, and butter to taste. I use about 1 tbsp butter (or I’ve used up to 2 Tbsp) for a whole head of cauliflower (1/2 tbsp per batch). Salt is your friend here, if the soup is tasting bland don't be afraid to add more. You can also add some good quality olive oil or Earth Balance instead of butter if you'd like a richer flavor without dairy. Also add ground fennel.
Repeat process with the remaining batch of cauliflower. Serve soup hot. Leftovers will keep for 1-2 days in a covered tupperware container; soup will need to be stirred after reheating.
Get More From The #Sisters In Law
Joyce Vance: Twitter | University of Alabama Law | MSNBC | Civil Discourse Substack
Jill Wine-Banks: Twitter | Facebook | Website | Author of The Watergate Girl: My Fight For Truth & Justice Against A Criminal President
Kimberly Atkins Stohr: Twitter | Boston Globe | WBUR | Unbound Newsletter
Barb McQuade: Twitter | University of Michigan Law | Just Security | MSNBC