

No Way Out
Mark McGrath and Brian "Ponch" Rivera
Welcome to the No Way Out podcast where we examine the variety of domains and disciplines behind John R. Boyd’s OODA sketch and why, today, more than ever, it is an imperative to understand Boyd’s axiomatic sketch of how organisms, individuals, teams, corporations, and governments comprehend, shape, and adapt in our VUCA world.
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Nov 12, 2025 • 1h 10min
Polynon Theory: Tib Roibu on Cognitive Gravity & Boyd's OODA Loop
Join Romanian researcher Tib Roibu, the mind behind Polynon Theory, as he delves into the geometric framework of cognition. Tib explores how thought shapes our perceptions and decisions, framing consciousness as a structural entity. Discover the concept of cognitive gravity and its impact on attention pathways, drawing connections to John Boyd's OODA Loop. He also ties geometry to meditative practices and psychedelic experiences, suggesting new paradigms for understanding consciousness and our decision-making processes.

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Nov 5, 2025 • 1h 10min
OODA in Sports Coaching: Constraints-Led Approach (CLA) Insights
Rob Gray, PhD, an expert in ecological dynamics and skill acquisition at Arizona State University, dives into the Constraints-Led Approach in coaching. He emphasizes transforming rigid training into game-like environments that enhance adaptability and performance. With striking examples from basketball and baseball, Rob discusses how to effectively integrate failure as a learning tool, the importance of perceptual-motor coupling, and the cultural influences on coaching methods. He also explores how principles-based play is reshaping the NBA and offers insights on coaching styles that prioritize guidance over control.

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Oct 29, 2025 • 1h 18min
Agentic AI Thinks Like Boyd: The OODA Upgrade LLMs Can’t Touch
Ben Ford, a Royal Marine Commando turned software engineer with expertise in Haskell and category theory, dives deep into agentic AI and the myth of the OODA loop. He argues that traditional AI models are static and inefficient, while active inference offers a more dynamic and energy-efficient approach. Ford explains how real-time model updates allow for continuous destruction and creation, substantially enhancing decision-making. With insights on category theory and its relevance, he challenges conventional thinking about knowledge acquisition and the limitations of current LLMs.

Oct 21, 2025 • 1h 20min
Real-Time Policing in Chicagoland: Real OODA With Lou Hayes, Jr
Lou Hayes Jr., a seasoned Chicagoland law enforcement expert, discusses the innovation of real-time crime centers and the use of drones in policing. He explains how integration with tech improves response times and situational awareness across jurisdictions. Lou highlights the challenges of maintaining transparency while protecting tradecraft and the impact of technology on policing skills. He also dives into the complexities of scams targeting older adults, the realities of human trafficking, and the evolving tactics of criminals adapting to new tech.

Oct 17, 2025 • 1h 26min
Naval Power in Action with CAPT Brent Sadler, USN (Ret.)
CAPT Brent Sadler, a retired U.S. Navy Captain and Senior Fellow at the Heritage Foundation, dives into maritime strategy and U.S.-China relations. He discusses the transition from linear to adaptive military planning, critiques current U.S. shipbuilding deficiencies, and emphasizes the need for a modern Naval Act. Sadler highlights China's maritime insurgency tactics, the significance of historical grievances in their strategy, and urgent timelines regarding Taiwan. His insights draw from extensive personal and professional experiences in the Asia-Pacific.

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Oct 14, 2025 • 1h 7min
Spatial Web + Active Inference: Beyond LLMs | Dan Mapes
Dan Mapes, Director of the Spatial Web Foundation and founder of Verses AI, dives into a revolutionary vision of the internet as a 3D web of intelligence. He discusses how digital twins and Active Inference could enhance smart cities and supply chains. Mapes emphasizes the importance of decentralized systems over monolithic models, tapping into biological principles for AI. The conversation also touches on the evolving nature of world models, the role of meditation in creativity, and a hopeful outlook for future technologies to foster global prosperity.

Oct 10, 2025 • 2h 35min
Warriors over Fobbits: LtCol Asad "Genghis" Khan, USMC (Ret.)
LtCol Asad "Genghis" Khan, a retired Marine with deep combat experience in Afghanistan, shares his unfiltered insights on war and leadership. He emphasizes the importance of cultural understanding over mere observation, arguing that context is vital for effective decision-making. Khan critiques senior leadership's disconnect and highlights how misapplied strategies can lead to disastrous outcomes. He advocates for practical local solutions and stresses moral courage and accountability in military leadership, urging a transformative approach to command and training.

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Oct 8, 2025 • 1h 29min
Bad Boyd, Good Receipts: Inside Snowmobiles & Grand Ideals with Ian Brown
Ian Brown, a senior researcher and expert on John Boyd's work, joins the discussion to shed light on Boyd's innovative ideas through his latest publication. They dive into the fascinating process of transcribing Boyd's presentations, highlighting how context enhances understanding. The conversation reveals Boyd's emphasis on implicit guidance and the importance of orientation over speed. With humor and engaging anecdotes, they explore how Boyd's principles apply to modern media and team dynamics, peeling back layers of folklore to expose his groundbreaking insights.

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Oct 1, 2025 • 1h 32min
Military Hardware to Mental Health: Perceptual Control Theory with Warren Mansell, PhD
Warren Mansell, PhD, a clinical psychologist and professor at the Enable Institute, dives deep into Perceptual Control Theory (PCT). He reveals how our behaviors reflect an ongoing control of perceptions, rather than simple reactions. Mansell explores psychological conflicts arising from competing goals, the role of consciousness in reorganizing these conflicts, and how PCT offers insights into leadership dynamics. He even discusses the transformative effects of meditation and psychedelics in down-regulating habitual patterns, sparking profound insights.

Sep 25, 2025 • 1h 8min
Autism, Telepathy and New "Outside" Information with Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Dr. Julia Mossbridge, a cognitive neuroscientist exploring precognition and telepathy, shares groundbreaking insights on how human physiology can anticipate future events. She introduces the concept of the 'informational substrate,' which proposes that reality may be rooted in information rather than matter. Joining her is Sarah Kernion, a parent of two non-speaking autistic children, who discusses their unique ability to absorb multiple streams of information. Together, they challenge traditional notions of consciousness, time, and the capabilities of neurodiverse individuals.


