
DePINed podcast
DePINed is a podcast focused on the ecosystem of decentralized physical networks. DePIN companies and protocols crowdsource infrastructure such as WiFi hot spots, computer servers and even cars and, using crypto incentives, create cohesive, global networks from thousands of different providers. This podcast explores all of the use cases launching in this sector as well as the key players in financing and explaining this growing sector which will reshape a broad array of industries. Hosted by Tom Trowbridge, co-founder of Fluence, previously co-founder and president at Hedera Hashgraph.
Latest episodes

Jun 5, 2025 • 39min
The DePIN Storage Layer Powering AI & Media Workloads | Colby Winegar, Storj (#56)
In this episode of the #DePINedPodcast, Tom Trowbridge speaks with Colby Winegar, CEO of Storj, a decentralized cloud storage protocol with nearly a decade of evolution behind it.We cover how Storj is bridging the gap between traditional cloud performance and decentralized architecture — through measurable value for real customers across AI, media, healthcare and academia🧠 In this episode:– How Storj achieves up to 80% lower storage and egress costs than AWS– Why some customers report Storj is 2–3x faster than Amazon for global data access– The economics behind fixed-price storage across 20,000+ decentralized nodes– How the protocol handles operator payments in token, with a roadmap toward market-driven token demand– Challenges in go-to-market, vertical focus, and customer education in the DePIN spaceListen now for an in-depth look at the real-world mechanics, tradeoffs, and opportunities behind decentralized storage at scale🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution. Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

May 29, 2025 • 50min
Decentralized RPC, Real Revenue & LLM Access | Arthur Sabintsev: POKT Network (#55)
🎙️ In this episode of the DePINedPodcast, Tom Trowbridge sits down with Arthur Sabintsev, CEO of POKT, one of the earliest DePIN projects and a cornerstone of decentralized infrastructure since 2019.What started as a decentralized gateway to blockchain data has now expanded far beyond crypto: Pocket is evolving into a generalized data transport layer.Watch to learn:- How Pocket provides decentralized, censorship-resistant access to 60+ blockchains and open networks- What it takes to run high-performance infrastructure in a DePIN protocol- Why most Pocket nodes are now hosted in professional data centers- The role of RPC gateways and sovereign access providers in Pocket’s new architecture- How Grove (the team behind Pocket) thinks about pricing, competition, and revenueThis episode dives deep into the architecture, economics, and strategy behind one of the longest-running DePIN protocols — and why the future of infrastructure might belong to agents, not users.🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution. Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

May 22, 2025 • 28min
Decentralized Storage, Real Revenue & the Rise of Subnets | Juan Benet: Filecoin (#54)
Juan Benet, the inventor of IPFS and founder of Protocol Labs, delves into the evolution of Filecoin beyond just storage. He discusses the advent of subnets and a Filecoin-backed stablecoin that enhances decentralized finance. The conversation covers how emerging markets can drive growth in Decentralized Physical Infrastructure Networks and offers insights into navigating challenges in a bear market. Benet also shares tactical advice on adapting decentralized storage productization to meet diverse needs, from small developers to large projects.

May 15, 2025 • 47min
Web3 Hot Storage That Actually Works for Enterprises | Stefaan Vervaet: Akave (#53)
In this episode of the #DePINed Podcast, Tom Trowbridge sits down with Stefaan Vervaet, founder of Akave, to explore how decentralized storage is finally enterprise-ready.Born out of Protocol Labs, Akave combines S3 compatibility, high durability, and on-chain verifiability — offering a real alternative to AWS, Glacier, and traditional storage models. Stefaan shares insights from his $355M+ startup exits and dives deep into why data egress costs are the next big pain point, how AI workloads are driving demand, and how Akave plans to scale toward $100M+ ARR with real enterprise contracts.🧠 In this episode, we cover:- Why enterprises are fed up with egress fees- How Agave integrates with Filecoin, Snowflake and AI pipelines- The power of verifiable, decentralized hot storage- Akave’s unique subnet model and revenue-first approach- Token incentives, staking, slashing and enterprise-grade SLAs- Lessons from building $355M in storage startupsHot storage, snowflake integrations, DePIN-native token economics — this episode is packed with real-world traction, use cases, and strategy.🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution. Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

May 8, 2025 • 51min
Startup Turns Phones into a Decentralized Compute Network | Alessandro De Carli: Acurast (#52)
What If Your Old Phone Could Power the Next AI Model?In this episode of the DePINed podcast, host Tom Trowbridge speaks with Alessandro De Carli, co-founder of Acurast — a decentralized confidential compute network built entirely on mobile devices. Alessandro shares his journey from mobile security at Credit Suisse to launching Acurast, and explains why smartphones are underutilized powerhouses perfect for distributed computation. They dive into topics like trusted execution environments (TEEs), real-world DePIN use cases, token economics and why mobile-first infrastructure could rival hyperscalers like AWS.In this episode, we cover:- Why mobile phones are the future of decentralized compute- How Acurast transforms smartphones into secure compute nodes- Trusted Execution Environments (TEE) explained- The role of token economics in scaling decentralized infrastructure- Why hyperscalers like AWS should pay attention to mobile-first networksWhether you’re into Web3, edge computing or the future of AI infrastructure — this episode is not to be missed 🚀🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution. Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

Apr 24, 2025 • 45min
Decentralizing HD Maps for Autonomous Vehicles & AI | Guang Ling: Rovr Network (#51)
Is DePIN the key to scaling real-time 3D mapping for AI & AVs?In this episode of The DePINed Podcast, we sit down with Guang Ling, founder of Rovr Network, to explore how crowdsourced 3D data and LiDAR-powered devices could unlock a new layer of spatial intelligence for the real world🧠 The project uses both smartphone-based setups and professional-grade LiDAR rigs — with ambitious plans to collect 100M+ kilometers of street-level data and offer weekly refresh rates at a fraction of the cost of traditional HD maps.In this episode, we cover:- Why HD maps are critical for autonomous driving & AI- Rovr’s dual-hardware strategy (TX & LC devices)- Cutting map costs by 80% with better refresh rates- Token economics, point system, and plans for TGE- Real market insights from a LIDAR and telecom expert- Building toward millions in revenue and Tier 1 clients- The future of spatial AI and 3D training datasetsWhether you’re into DePIN, AI or geospatial tech, this episode is a must-listen 🚀Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution! Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

Apr 17, 2025 • 48min
Cyber-Resilient Storage and Real Yield: Protocol Deep Dive | Patrick Dunlop: Jackal Labs (#50)
Can decentralized storage compete with enterprise-grade SLAs? 🧠 In this episode of The DePINed Podcast, we sit down with Patrick Dunlop, co-founder of Jackal Protocol, to explore what it takes to build a decentralized storage network that’s fast, secure, and enterprise-readyWhile most DePINs race for cheaper infrastructure, Jackal is doing something different: delivering cyber-resilient, hot storage with on-chain SLAs. Designed for both individuals and enterprises, Jackal provides encrypted storage with auto-healing, multi-node redundancy, and privacy baked into the protocol🌐 With over 1,000 users and growing, Patrick shares how Jackal is moving beyond speculation and toward real yield by targeting B2B use cases, onboarding clients through enterprise sales, and offering competitive storage solutions that can rival centralized giantsIn this episode, we cover:- The mechanics behind Jackal’s auto-healing and SLA guarantees- Why decentralized storage must evolve beyond the Web3 dev niche- What sets Jackal apart from Filecoin, Arweave, and others- The shift from inflationary tokenomics to real demand-driven yield- How Jackal plans to scale toward $100M+ revenue- Where decentralization and cybersecurity meet in storage- Patrick’s journey from digital forensics to building mission-critical infrastructure🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution! Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

Apr 10, 2025 • 43min
Crowdsourced Location, Verified Data & DePIN at Scale | Markus Levin: XYO (#49)
What if the first DePIN was launched years before the term even existed? ⏰In this episode, we sit down with Markus Levin, co-founder of XYO, the original DePIN protocol powering real-world data validation through a global network of 8M+ devices and earning over $10M in revenue.From cryptographic location proofs to on-demand data requests, XYO has been quietly building one of the most active decentralized infrastructure networks in the world.We discuss:- How XYO scales data validation with mobile devices- Why apps are essential for onboarding non-crypto users- XYO’s crowdsourced model and token incentives- The real economics behind $10M+ in protocol revenue- Insights on token buy & burn mechanics- Why XYO is still a unique player in the DePIN space- Future use cases in AI, underserved regions, and beyondA must-listen for anyone curious about the real-world adoption of DePIN, and what it takes to build through multiple market cycles.🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution. Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

Apr 3, 2025 • 50min
DePIN for TikTok, $1M Revenue & 550K Devices | Konstantin Tkachuk: Titan Network (#48)
Real Revenue, Real Devices, Real DePINIn this episode, we sit down with Konstantin Tkachuk, CEO and co-founder of Titan Network, a decentralized infrastructure protocol building edge-native web services using idle bandwidth, storage, and compute from over 550,000 devices worldwide🟢 Titan is already powering real-world use cases — including CDN services for TikTok — and taking a customer-first approach that challenges the norms of crypto-native infrastructureWe cover:- Titan’s shift from resource-first to demand-first growth- How the network rewards contributors dynamically- Real usage in 140+ countries with $1M+ in protocol revenue- Titan’s edge CDN architecture and testnet rollout- The road to mainnet and upcoming token launchA must-listen for anyone interested in the future of decentralized cloud services and how DePIN protocols are winning with real-world adoption🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolutionSubscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

Mar 27, 2025 • 59min
The Future of Machine Intelligence & The DePIN Compute Revolution | Ben Fielding: Harry Grieve: Gensyn (#47)
Can decentralized machine learning unlock the next frontier of AI infrastructure? 🤖In this episode, we sit down with Ben Fielding and Harry Grieve, co-founders of Gensyn, the decentralized protocol for machine intelligence. The protocol allows any ML-capable hardware — eg GPUs, CPUs, ASICs — to peer together and contribute to the trustless training and deployment of hyperscale AI systems, all without relying on cloud providers🔥 What’s inside?- Why machine learning operations (not GPUs) are the true unit of value- How Gensyn enables scalable, verifiable compute across global hardware- The role of trust, consensus, and open source in AI’s future- Token economics, demand-side revenue, and the end of supply-first DePINs- How Gensyn will create a truly competitive market for AI infrastructure — and compete with OpenAI🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolutionSubscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍