The Standup

Thank You! https://blacksmith.sh our sponsor today! Speed up your GitHub Actions AND pay less!https://tailwindcss.com/sponsor Love Tailwind? Consider Sponsoring!If you want delicious coffee sold only over SSH:ssh terminal.shop🎙️ Hosts:- TJ @teej_dv- Trash Dev @trash_dev- Prime @ThePrimeagen🎯 Guest:Adam Wathan - Creator of Tailwind CSShttps://adamwathan.mehttps://x.com/adamwathanhttps://tailwindcss.com/📌 Chapters:00:00:00 - Intro00:01:04 - "Open Source is Pain" - Tailwind Creator00:04:37 - Sponsor: Blacksmith - Faster GitHub Actions #ad00:05:15 - The Reality of Open Source at Scale00:10:55 - Cost of Full-Time Open Source00:13:06 - Rust Rewrite & Performance Gains00:16:29 - Sponsorship vs Business Models00:22:48 - The Emotional Side of Open Source00:30:15 - The Courage to Fire Users00:37:46 - How Tailwind Spends Money00:44:04 - How to Champion Open Source while making money00:54:06 - Licenses in Open Source00:58:00 - Tailwind is a hard business01:00:14 - VC vs Lifestyle Open Source Projects01:07:50 - Replication in Open Source01:11:00 - Tailwind Fortnite Skins01:16:00 - We agree on the words finally01:18:00 - Thanks & Wrap UpKey topics include:- The reality of maintaining open source at massive scale- Why sponsorship models often fail and what works instead- The psychological challenges of community management- How to build sustainable businesses around open source- The future of developer tooling and AI's impact🐬 Bonus Section 🐬┆　┆　┆　┆　┆┆　┆ ࣪ ˖☆ ࣪⭑┆ ݁˖ .☆ . ݁ ˖☆⊹ ࣪ ┆ ˖ ࣪　⊹ ࣪ ★ ⋆.˚ ⊹ ࣪　.࣪ ˖⋆˚★ ₊ ⊹　 ࣪˖ ࣪ ₊ ࣪ ˖　　. 　 ˚　.. ݁　⊹ ࣪ ˖　　　 ࣪ ˖　　　　. 　 ˚　.　　　* 　　.. ݁　　　 ݁　　　. 　 ˚　　　* 　　.. 　　. 　 ˚　.　　* 　　.　*　　* 　　.　* 　　.　　　* 　　.Did you actually read this description?　　　. 　 ˚　.　　 *　　.Was it useful?　　* 　. 　 ˚　.　˚　　.　* 　　.　　* 　　.　　* 　　.Did it have everything you were looking for?　　　. 　 　.　　.　* 　　.If you wanted to see something different, what would that be?　. 　 　.　.　*Do you think Tailwind would have been as popular if it was named Headwind?　. 　 ˚　.How much Tailwind do you think Prime really knows?　　. 　 ˚　.　　　* 　　.Who do you want to see on The Standup next?　　　. 　 ˚　　　* 　　.　* 　　.. 　 ˚　.　　 *　　. 　 ˚　.　˚　　. 　 　.　　. 　 　.　.　*　　. 　 ˚　.　　.　　. 　 ˚　.　　. 　 ˚　　　* 　　.　* 　　.　　* 　　.　　* 　　.　　* 　　.　　* 　　.　　* 　　.　　* 　　.　　* 　　.

Casey Muratori, a software engineer and performance expert, dives into the evolution of performance standards in tech. He shares nostalgic tales of dial-up internet contrasting with today’s sluggish experiences, emphasizing how our expectations have changed. The discussion highlights inefficiencies in modern software practices and critiques over-dependence on AI. Casey calls for a focus on quality coding to keep pace with hardware advancements, urging developers to prioritize user experience through care and craftsmanship.

🔗 Sponsored by Sentry https://sentry.io | Code breaks, fix it faster#sponsoredssh terminal.shophttps://lowlevel.academy/📌 Chapters:00:00:00 - Intro00:02:04 - Low level explains what we know00:05:32 - How does this compare to the CrowdStrike outage?00:07:13 - What is a memory fuzzer?00:10:17 - What was the impact of the outage?00:12:22 - Movie talk sidebar00:14:58 - AUTH, choices and risk managment00:19:33 - Cloudflare also went down00:21:14 - Knowledge management00:23:07 - Chaos at Netflix00:32:00 - DHH's response00:33:21- Personally effected00:34:15 - Internet Of Things Devices00:39:38 - Personal Network Security vs Faith in Humanity00:42:27 - More on IOT devices00:48:10 - Car talk and internet connected failures00:51:17 - Fail open00:55:30 - Could Rust have prevented this?00:57:45 - Wrap up and outroCould Your Company Survive a Google Outage?Last week, Google Cloud went down—and with it, a massive chunk of the internet. In this episode of Standup, we’re joined by security expert Low Level Learning to break down what actually happened, how a single null pointer crashed Google’s management plane, and why Cloudflare and other services followed. We also go deep on software fuzzing, dependency risk, fail-open systems, and the absurd reality of internet-connected lamps.Featuring:Prime: https://x.com/ThePrimeagenCasey Muratori: https://x.com/cmuratoriTrash Dev: https://x.com/trashh_devLow Level Learning: https://x.com/LowLevelTweetsBonus topics include: automated cat feeders, Teslas on fire, and Baby Shark as a disaster protocol.

Watch the https://bolt.new Reward Ceremony Live!July 26th 10AM PST on https://www.twitch.tv/theprimeagen#sponsored https://balls.yoga📌 Chapters:00:00:00 - balls.yoga, drama & intro00:02:00 - Building OpenCode: terminal AI agents00:03:00 - Bolt.new Reward Ceremony - July 26 10AM PST00:03:18 - Agent architecture basics explained00:04:08 - What is an AI Agent?00:05:00 - Prompt engineering and tool calling00:06:10 - OpenCode UX and mobile plans00:07:27 - Why OpenCode runs agents locally00:08:34 - Vision for mobile remote dev workflows00:09:15 - The reality of build opencode00:10:10 - Claude vs Opus vs others00:13:32 - Tool usage & LSP integration00:14:20 - LSP tool feedback loop00:17:00 - Claude is best at calling tools00:18:10 - Prompt tuning limitations and expectations00:22:20 - Modeling agent loops with tool calls00:24:40 - Why building a real agent isn’t just weekend work00:26:20 - Security tradeoffs in early development00:28:30 - Loop management & lossy compression00:29:40 - Session design & managing context00:30:40 - Parallel sessions and subagents00:33:20 - Adam banned from Twitch by his cofounder00:34:20 - OpenCode & Terminal.Shop development connection00:35:00 - What surprised them building an agent00:36:30 - Why TUIs are hard compared to web00:37:30 - Layering, pixel constraints, UI struggles00:38:30 - Final laughs & wrap-up00:39:00 - Plug for OpenCode: sst.dev/opencode00:40:00 - Outro: still no clue how agents work, but fun ride⸻Topics Covered:• AI agents in terminal environments• OpenCode’s CLI-first agent approach• Loop-based tool calling in LLMs• Integrating LSP feedback into agents• Prompt engineering & model tool awareness• Evaluating agents: benchmarks & metrics• Local vs remote dev environments• Designing for low-friction agent UX• Safety, permission models & sandboxing• The tradeoffs of TUIs vs web UIs• Session design, compression & memory limits• Humor, Twitch drama & voice AI characters

Trash presents his Typescript presentation from Render ATL (Sorry if you are audio only listener)🔗 Sponsored by Sentry https://sentry.io | Code breaks, fix it faster📌 Chapters:00:00:00 - Intro00:00:42 - Who’s actually a “web developer”?00:02:31 - Trash’s live intro & TypeScript presentation setup00:03:59 - Sentry #ad00:04:38 - Excess property checks in TS00:09:42 - WTF: Object spreads silence type errors00:14:30 - React prop spreading madness00:18:22 - Structural vs duck typing debate00:24:00 - WTF: Enums and why everyone hates them00:27:45 - Enum strings vs numbers behavior00:33:10 - Why enums in Node are cursed00:36:55 - Safer enum alternatives using const objects00:43:10 - TS quirks: Boolean filter keeps undefined in types00:46:40 - TSReset: The “CSS reset” for TypeScript00:49:01 - WTF: Empty object {} lets everything through00:52:32 - Doom rendered in TypeScript type system00:54:00 - Type-level math in TS (it’s real)00:56:33 - Scaling hell: TS performance bottlenecks01:00:01 - Flamegraphs and fighting TS perf without docs01:04:55 - TS inference vs explicit typing in large codebases01:09:30 - Prime’s favorite TS bug strikes again01:14:01 - Casey breaks down the compiler logic01:17:50 - Is this a TypeScript bug or a feature?01:22:44 - Final thoughts and community love---**Topics Covered:**• TypeScript excess property checks• Enums vs object literals• Structural vs duck typing• TS compiler edge cases• WTFs that break your mental model• Type-level math• Performance debugging hell• Massive monorepo pain points• The one TypeScript bug Prime can’t let go

ssh terminal.shopOpencodehttps://github.com/sst/opencode📌 Chapters:00:00:00 - Intro & Chess Talk00:01:55 - Who uses AI00:02:49 - ssh terminal.shop ad00:03:22 - Dax developing opencode00:11:00 - ssh terminal.shop TOS00:13:32 - Casey's take on AI00:31:22 - Teej's take on AI00:35:55 - Prime's take on AI00:40:40 - Zero to One development being prioritized00:48:00 - Begging Dax to teach us to build an agent---**Topics Covered:**- AI agents in programming workflows - Using LLMs for 0-to-1 product development - Prototyping with AI tools - Maintaining vs generating code - When AI fails in complex codebases - Developer productivity tools - Code quality and long-term maintainability - API stability and tech stack evolution - Vibe coding vs structured design - Frontend frustration: CSS, layout, and abstractions - Real-world use cases for AI-assisted coding - Opinions on OpenCode and agent tooling - The future of software automation

🔗 Sponsored by Code Rabbithttps://coderabbit.link/primeagen-vscode⸻🎹 Finding the Right KeyboardWelcome to The Standup – where developers, creators, and founders debate the big questions. In this episode, we talk about all things Keyboards.We dive deep into:- Keyboard Obsession Origins- Mechanical Keyboards 101: Switch types, thock vs. clicky, creamy vs. crispy- Keychron, GMMK Pro, Dactyl Manuform & Voyager Reviews- Box Switches & Keycap Profiles (Cherry, DSA, OEM)- Silent Switches vs. Clicky Switches Debate- Typing Ergonomics & Wrist Pain Fixes- Split Keyboards, Thumb Clusters, and Concavity Explained- Custom Keyboards with RGB & Anime Keycaps- Keyboard Lubing- ZMK vs. QMK Keyboard Programming- Typing Competitions & Internet Speed Typing Lore- Casey’s Journey: From Amiga to Custom Builds- ASMR & Key Sounds Showcase- Trash’s Keyboard Garage Sale Finds- Ergonomic vs. Aesthetic Keyboards- How Much is Too Much for a Keyboard?⸻📌 Chapters:0:00 - intro + banter2:13 - the only coffee to drink3:50 - who are the keyboard fiends5:22 - sponsor: CodeRabbit 6:03 - Casey learns about Keyboards2:05 - is college still worth it in 2025? 5:48 - the cost of college in the U.S. vs Europe 10:24 - What is Thock?15:45 - What are Box Switches?17:08 - Trashes Keyboard24:00 - Primes insane keyboard25:45 - Caseys keyboard27:00 - Programming your Keyboard29:25 - Touch Typing and the Home-Row33:30 Teej's keyboard36:38 - Trash's AOL Dragonball Z Battles37:55 - More Prime Keyboards42:18 - How much is too much money on a Keyboard45:00 - Lube talk47:05 - Mice suck50:05 - Casey's Keycaps53:56 - Pressure58:55 - Prime is NOT in charge of the Airbnb1:00:40 - Outro and Inspiration⸻📢 Subscribe for more honest convos about dev life, startups, and tech culture.🧠 Hit the bell so you don’t miss the next one.

🔗 Sponsored by Code Rabbithttps://coderabbit.link/primeagen-vscodessh terminal.shop00:00:00 - Intro00:00:57 - The New Standup Dress Code00:03:38 - What we're gonna talk about00:05:05 - Code Rabbit Ad!00:05:50 - Prime and Begin argue about Botched Rebases00:09:21 - What Source Control *Should* Be 00:20:01 - Casey and Begin agree on the future Source Control00:26:00 - Prime makes Git Branching even more Complicated by comparing it to Quantum Mechanics00:27:56 - The Idiot's Perspective00:34:00 - When Teej deals with Merges00:36:48 - Conway's Law informs Git process00:42:05 - Google Docs Analogy00:45:30 - How Real Developers Ship Code00:47:55 - What Should Version Control be?00:50:54 - Would Casey let a Junior Eng roll their own VCS00:59:25 - Why Prime Rebases and we all Fight01:16:50 - Begin's Law01:17:22 - Git Hooks01:23:48 - Git Koans

💸 $1M+ hackathon is live — https://hackathon.devMicrosoft just open-sourced Copilot Chat for VS Code — but is it a W or a panic move? 👀Prime, Teej, Casey & Trash break it all down:⚔️ Cursor & Windsurf eating VS Code’s lunch🧠 Is MSFT losing the AI dev wars?🌐 Open source or just open copium?💀 Also: mustaches, rats, and corporate trauma📌 Chapters:0:00:00 intro 0:03:25 Trash humiliated by a German Man0:05:23 Prime admits he knows nothing about TMNT0:06:00 Sponsor: Bolt0:06:48 VSCODE Copilot going Open Source 4 Real0:16:11 Inept vs Incapable (semantics)0:25:37 AI Models vs AI Integration0:41:20 Economics and Cheese Puffs0:57:00 Klarna Klarna Klarna!1:08:00 use code "Casey" at check w/ Klarna1:09:42 Vote Teej!

🔗 Sponsored by Code Rabbithttps://coderabbit.link/primeagen-vscode⸻🎓 Is College Still Worth It in 2025?Welcome to The Standup – where developers, creators, and founders debate the big questions. In this episode, we sit down with David Heinemeier Hansson (DHH), the creator of Ruby on Rails and Basecamp co-founder.👉 Is College Worth It in 2025?We dive deep into:⏳ The ROI of college in a post-AI world🇺🇸 Why American higher ed is broken (from a Danish POV)📉 Are CS degrees still worth $250K?💸 The myth of the “four-year luxury cruise”🤖 How AI is disrupting the junior dev job market🔍 Hiring: Is college even a useful signal anymore?🧠 IQ vs wisdom vs vibes – what really matters in hiring🧰 Is programming a trade? Should we move to apprenticeships?👨‍🌾 Why every dev wants to be a farmer (and why that’s delusional)Whether you’re considering college, hiring devs, or already knee-deep in student debt, this conversation pulls no punches and may just change how you think about education, hiring, and the future of software development.⸻📌 Chapters:0:00 intro 2:05 is college still worth it in 2025? 5:48 the cost of college in the U.S. vs Europe 6:57 sponsor: CodeRabbit 7:42 good point9:10 DHH explains the Danish education system 13:02 is college just a luxury cruise? 17:45 what are you actually buying with a degree? 21:20 how companies *really* hire developers 26:11 Casey’s take: programming should be a trade 30:40 is college a filter for IQ or just vibes? 45:50 what skills matter more than a degree 49:20 how to actually learn to code in 2025 53:00 is college redeemable? final thoughts 57:15 wrap-up & what’s next on the podcast#IsCollegeWorthIt #DHH #CaseyMuratori #DeveloperPodcast #SoftwareEngineering #TechPodcast #BootcampVsCollege #ProgrammerLife #TechCareers #TheStartupPodcast