

Chief Change Officer
Vince Chan
What’s Stopping You from Outgrowing Yourself?
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Chief Change Officer isn’t just another podcast. It ranks in the Top 3% globally, hit #1 in Careers (US), and cracked the Top 10 in Business (US)—because it offers what others don’t: expansive human intelligence, shared by the world’s most extraordinary thinkers and doers.
This is the space for transformation gurus, bold hearts, black sheep, and unsung visionaries. We go beyond digitized tips and AI-smooth talk. Here, you get real, time-tested, experience-driven wisdom—the kind that blends logic and love, art and science, hindsight and foresight.
For me, this show marks career transition #18. Across 17 transitions, I’ve been mentored by global changemakers who helped me emerge stronger and freer. Now, I’m passing that power forward—through raw, unfiltered conversations with extraordinary people across cultures, industries, and identities.
If you’re a growth progressive, a black horse, a visionary underdog, or someone boldly rewriting the rules—you’re already one of us. Because you are the Chief Change Officer.
Our mission?
To help you become wiser in action, clearer in thought, and more ambitious in motion—so you can outgrow yourself and unlock outcomes beyond imagination or calculation.
A better you is already unfolding.
130,000+ followers are outgrowing.
Join them on LinkedIn, Apple, Spotify, and YouTube @chiefchangeofficer.
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Chief Change Officer isn’t just another podcast. It ranks in the Top 3% globally, hit #1 in Careers (US), and cracked the Top 10 in Business (US)—because it offers what others don’t: expansive human intelligence, shared by the world’s most extraordinary thinkers and doers.
This is the space for transformation gurus, bold hearts, black sheep, and unsung visionaries. We go beyond digitized tips and AI-smooth talk. Here, you get real, time-tested, experience-driven wisdom—the kind that blends logic and love, art and science, hindsight and foresight.
For me, this show marks career transition #18. Across 17 transitions, I’ve been mentored by global changemakers who helped me emerge stronger and freer. Now, I’m passing that power forward—through raw, unfiltered conversations with extraordinary people across cultures, industries, and identities.
If you’re a growth progressive, a black horse, a visionary underdog, or someone boldly rewriting the rules—you’re already one of us. Because you are the Chief Change Officer.
Our mission?
To help you become wiser in action, clearer in thought, and more ambitious in motion—so you can outgrow yourself and unlock outcomes beyond imagination or calculation.
A better you is already unfolding.
130,000+ followers are outgrowing.
Join them on LinkedIn, Apple, Spotify, and YouTube @chiefchangeofficer.
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May 5, 2025 • 34min
#347 May Yeung: Sculpting Impact from Dim Sum to Disability Inclusion
For the first time, the Chief Change Officer podcast returns to its birthplace—Hong Kong—to spotlight local artist and community builder May Yeung.From doodling on walls at age two to sculpting giant dim sum steamers for public exhibitions, May’s journey is anything but typical. She swapped Goldman Sachs for gallery spaces, battled cancer with faith (and clay), and now leads Art of My Family, a charity that brings art, healing, and heritage to underprivileged youth across Hong Kong. Whether it’s mental wellness programs, intergenerational education, or marine-themed installations made from recycled shells, May turns every life experience into a canvas for good. Bonus: her baby son Archer makes a surprise guest appearance—arguably stealing the show.Key Highlights of Our Interview:Draw First, Write Later: A Childhood in Color“I drew on walls before I could write my name… by twelve, I knew I’d be an artist.”When Music Shapes the ClayFrom piano lessons with Hong Kong’s top musicians to dance-sculpture mashups, May’s art listens before it speaks.The Goldman Pivot: Finding Purpose Through CSR“I helped organize community art after Hurricane Sandy. That’s when the impact bug bit.”From Cancer to Conviction: The ALT of Art“Faith, feeling alive, touching lives—cancer gave me a new mission, not just new scars.”Archer Joins the Show: A Toddler-Sized Shift in Artistic Purpose“Motherhood made me realize: my art must nourish the next generation—his and others’.”Dim Sum, Ping Pong, and Bamboo DreamsFrom Chinese checkers to handmade steamers, May’s art honors Hong Kong’s everyday beauty.‘What If’ and ‘Blossom Love’: Sculpting Global Conversations“What If” made her the first Asian sculptor to exhibit at Rockefeller Chapel; “Blossom Love” built a cultural bridge between Hong Kong and the Netherlands.Why ‘Art of My Family’ Isn’t Just a NameMay’s nonprofit uses art to serve mental health, sustainability, and inclusion—with the three C’s: co-design, co-create, co-learn.Mission: Teaching Artists Who Teach From Life“I’m not just instructing—I’m modeling the mess, joy, and resilience of the creative path.”______________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: May Yeung
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

May 5, 2025 • 37min
#346 Vince Jeong: Scaling Learning Without Losing Soul
Vince Jeong isn’t your typical edtech founder—and this isn’t your typical training conversation.After immigrating to Canada at 12 and learning English from scratch, Vince chased uncertainty across five continents and a dozen careers—from McKinsey to NGOs in Tanzania to Latin American startups. That winding path led him to one insight: real learning happens when real people engage together, not alone.Now as CEO of Sparkwise, he’s scaling live group learning in ways that mirror the best of Harvard and McKinsey—without the tuition price tag or talent filters. In this episode, we unpack how Vince is reimagining adult learning for corporations, creators, and communities alike. If you’re bored to tears by lifeless courses and stale corporate training, tune in for a vision that makes learning social again.Key Highlights of Our Interview:Immigrant Experience 101: Rebuilding Myself at Age 12“Moving from Korea to Canada without speaking English forced me to rediscover who I was.”Curiosity Beats Certainty: The Career Built by Exploration“I chased the unknown—Tanzania, Colombia, consulting—because experience is the only way to find what matters.”Why Group Learning Beats Solo Slides“Learning isn’t about dumping information. It’s about building shared understanding in real time.”From Stage to Startup: Live Group Dynamics Are in My DNA“I hosted live shows on Korean TV, emceed weddings, and ran workshops—I’ve always brought people together.”Scaling Harvard-Style Learning Without the Harvard Price“We’re making elite-level training experiences accessible to more people—without compromising quality.”Human > Hashtag: Rebuilding Community That’s More Than Skin Deep“Social media gave us networks, not connection. We’re creating the space for meaningful group interaction again.”Partners in Impact: Who Sparkwise Was Built For“Our tools are for those who want richer learning—or want to scale what they offer without losing touch.”The Content Wake-Up Call: AI Can’t Replace Real Dialogue“Content’s getting commoditized. The future lies in how we apply, discuss, and activate it together.”__________________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Vince Jeong
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

May 5, 2025 • 23min
#345 Sienna Jackson: From Hollywood to Hard Metrics — Part Two
Sienna Jackson, the CEO of Nortera.io, walks us through her unexpected shift from entertainment executive to impact strategist. Rather than chasing a title, she followed a thread—registering an LLC, collecting ideas, and finally stepping into work that aligned with her values. Now, she’s helping professionalize the field of social impact by focusing on measurable outcomes, not slogans. From impact modeling to cross-sector coalitions, Sienna shows how complex change starts behind the scenes—with better systems, shared language, and a refusal to settle for surface-level good.Key Highlights of Our Interview:When Pivoting Isn’t a Plan—but a Pattern“I just said, ‘I’m doing social impact now.’ But it was a pattern—an arc I had been on for a while.”She slowly started buying domains, registering an LLC, and collecting ideas. By 2020, she sent one email—“I’m doing social impact now”—and launched into a new chapter that was already quietly in motion. Why ‘Impact’ Needs More Than Good Intentions“Impact is the net positive change rendered as a direct and material result of your actions.”She calls out the performative fluff in corporate social messaging—empty slogans with no metrics behind them. Building the Back-End of Good“I learned about logic models, stakeholder analysis, systems mapping… It’s data modeling, it’s survey design.”Armed with two master’s degrees, Sienna dove deep into IMM—impact management and measurement. She joined Social Value US to help professionalize the field with standards, surveys, and frameworks. Coalitions, Not Silos“The left hand often doesn’t know what the right hand is doing. I see my role as making connections.”Sienna flags a recurring problem: siloed thinking. Her strength lies in speaking both, creating coalitions where collaboration and systems alignment make real change possible.Everyone Has a Piece of the Puzzle “Go find the people who are already doing the work—and support them. That’s where the results come from.”You don’t have to start the movement; just roll up your sleeves and help those already in it. ___________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Sienna Jackson
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

May 4, 2025 • 31min
#344 Sienna Jackson: From Hollywood to Hard Metrics — Part One
From film sets to SaaS, Sienna Jackson has lived through more than one reinvention. A two-time founder, former entertainment executive, and current tech CEO, she joins Chief Change Officer to break down what it means to build, to create, and to change—on your own terms. In Part 1, she shares what it was really like working in the music and production trenches at the Weinstein Company, how she navigated a high-glamour industry with clear-eyed curiosity, and why she never let a job title define her. But it’s her unfiltered take on generative AI that steals the show. Sienna dismantles the hype, calling it what it is: regurgitated content dressed as intelligence. From energy waste to algorithmic bias, she unpacks the hidden cost of convenience—and why human storytelling still matters.Key Highlights of Our Interview:From Red Carpets to Real Work“All the Quinton Tarantino films, all the Oscar Batty films… Project Runway… I also worked on our internal music catalog… and it would just be usually me and Richard for most of that run.”Curiosity > Career Ladder“I thought I was going to be the rebel… I was doing things during the Arab Spring… I also reported on the honor killing of one of my classmates when I was 16.”AI ≠ Creativity“Some people will say AI-generated art is art. And I think that’s a misnomer… Art is an action. It’s something that you do. It reflects technical skill that you have to develop over time.”The Hidden Cost of ‘Smart’“There are human beings at the other end of the pipeline… being paid pennies on the hour to train chatbots… it uses up 10 to 30 times more energy.”Garbage In, Garbage Out“GenAI will reify or reinforce patterns… there’ve been significant issues with algorithmic bias on the axes of race… who gets an insurance policy or not.”___________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Sienna Jackson
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

May 4, 2025 • 33min
#343 Brian Sims: From State House to Soul Work—Driving Change With Smarter Tools — Part Two
Brian Sims, the CEO of Agenda PAC, walks us through what it was really like inside the halls of power—getting his mic cut on the House floor, confronting closeted anti-LGBTQ colleagues, and learning the limits of both strategy and ego. Now in the private sector, he’s using data to fight back—not with louder voices, but with smarter ones.Key Highlights of Our Interview:When the Mic Goes Dead“I got half a word out. Then it cut. They didn’t even pretend it was technical.”No Friends Across the Aisle“They all voted against us—100% of the time. Colleagues? Yes. Friends? Absolutely not.”Losing the Big Fights“I wrote the Equal Pay Act. I wrote the state’s Marriage Equality bill. Neither passed. And I had to learn: that’s not failure—it’s legacy work.”Arrogance vs. Strategy“I thought just being bold was the answer. It wasn’t.”A New Way to Win“Now I use data to expose the gap—between what voters want and how leaders behave.”Fighting Dirty ≠ Fighting Back“There’s a difference. And it matters. You can run into the fire without lighting yourself on fire.”Change the Decision Makers, Not Just Their Minds“Every single thing I’ve ever cared about gets better when more women, more people of color, and more LGBTQ people hold power.”_______________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Brian Sims
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

May 4, 2025 • 26min
#342 Brian Sims: From State House to Soul Work—Driving Change With Smarter Tools — Part One
From a military childhood to a college football captain, Brian Sims didn’t exactly grow up in activist circles. But a fiercely independent mother and a slow-burning coming-out story set the stage for something bigger. In Part One, Brian, the CEO of Agenda PAC, opens up about finding his voice, leaving law for civil rights work, and eventually winning his first election—becoming the first out gay man elected to Pennsylvania’s state legislature.Key Highlights of Our Interview:Raised by Leaders“Both my parents were lieutenant colonels. I grew up on army bases, but my mom was always the only woman in uniform.”Confidence Is Contagious“She wasn’t arrogant. She just always knew who she was.”Coming Out Through Brotherhood“My football teammates asked if I was gay… and then wrapped me in the most awkward but beautiful kind of love.”A Gay Job and a Day Job“I had a law firm paycheck. But my soul work? LGBTQ civil rights.”Why He Ran“I couldn’t change their minds. So I ran to change the people holding the power.”David vs. Goliath“She’d been in office since I was three years old. I beat her by 233 votes.”_______________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Brian Sims
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

May 3, 2025 • 26min
#341 Jennifer Selby Long: Politics, Power, and the Choice to Stay or Go
In this final installment, Gen X executive coach Jennifer Selby Long goes deep on the real decision behind office politics: should you stay or should you go? Drawing from decades of experience guiding leaders through complex change, she lays out the subtle dynamics that determine whether a culture is salvageable—or just stuck. From the hidden toll of hybrid models to bosses who subtly push out high performers, Jennifer offers tools for cutting through confusion. And with a memorable framework inspired by civil rights leader Clarence Jones, she helps listeners evaluate not just what they want—but whether the system they’re in will ever let them have it. For Gen Xers caught in the gray area between loyalty and realism, this episode offers clarity with no illusions.>>Why Toxic Cultures Repeat“People leave a bad boss… only to land in a similar situation.”Jennifer explains how unaddressed internal patterns can reappear in new jobs—and what to do before making another move.>>Hybrid Work, Hidden Agendas“If your team isn’t working together in person, politics won’t disappear—they’ll just change form.”She discusses the tradeoffs of hybrid workplaces and how physical distance can mask, not eliminate, power struggles.>>When the Best Performers Leave“I’ve seen bosses quietly engineer ways to push out brilliant people.”Jennifer and Vince unpack the dynamic where insecurity—not excellence—shapes who gets to stay.>>Conflict is Not the Enemy“Most people waste time fighting battles that could’ve been solved with a conversation.”She breaks down how conflict-avoidance fuels politics—and why stepping back to understand styles and misalignment is essential.>>Clarence Jones’ Test for Staying or Leaving“You won’t prevail unless the powerful majority sees that what you want is in their interest.”Jennifer shares hard-earned political wisdom: how to evaluate whether your values and goals can survive the system—or if it’s time to walk._________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Jennifer Selby Long
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

May 3, 2025 • 26min
#340 Jennifer Selby Long: Office Politics Without the Eye-Roll
In this third installment with Gen X executive coach Jennifer Selby Long, we zoom in on one of the messiest, most misunderstood realities of modern work: office politics. Jennifer breaks down why politics often stem less from individual egos and more from structural dysfunction, emotional disconnection, and leadership blind spots—especially in hybrid teams. She explains how outdated views of leadership, chronic misalignment, and even cost-cutting decisions like slashed T&E budgets can quietly poison team trust. But this isn’t just a takedown—Jennifer arms listeners with a real-world playbook to navigate power struggles without becoming part of the problem. For seasoned professionals tired of performative team building and empty culture talk, this episode reframes politics not as inevitable—but as solvable.>>Politics ≠ Power-Hungry People“The majority of leaders are not political animals.”Jennifer challenges the stereotype that all office politics are about ego—revealing how misaligned strategy and trust gaps often create dysfunction.>>Remote Work’s Invisible Cost“You might not feel like getting on that plane… but complex decisions require in-person time.”She explains how budget cuts, virtual distance, and hybrid habits are quietly damaging team cohesion.>>Toxic by Design“I’ve worked with clients who were pretty mercenary at first… but some became the most dedicated leaders.”What happens when cold-blooded management isn’t an accident—but a strategy?>>Five Moves to Navigate a Political Culture“Stop venting. Start observing.”Jennifer offers a practical five-step approach to surviving—and even reshaping—a political workplace, starting with curiosity, not complaints.>>Why Some People Don’t Struggle with Politics at All“There’s a portion of the population just wired to be unbothered by it.”From temperament to neural wiring, she explains why some Gen Xers are naturally equipped to handle the drama without burnout._________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Jennifer Selby Long
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

May 3, 2025 • 46min
#339 Jennifer Selby Long: Gen X Wisdom for Saboteur Survival
Jennifer Selby Long is no stranger to messy transformations. With three decades of experience in executive coaching, digital change, and tech leadership, she helps seasoned professionals navigate the personal minefield that comes with professional change. In this second installment, Jennifer dives deep into neuroscience-backed insights on why we sabotage ourselves—and how to stop. She breaks down how our brains are wired for fear, how to spot the voice of the “judge,” and how misplaced loyalty to bad bosses or toxic companies keeps people stuck. But she doesn’t stop at analysis—she arms Gen Xers with tactical empathy, reframing techniques, and political savvy to make their next move smarter. Because in a world where everyone’s changing, the winners aren’t the loudest—they’re the most self-aware.>>The Science of Self-Sabotage“Those negative voices? They’re not you. They’re old neural pathways—and you don’t have to obey them.”Jennifer explains how childhood-formed saboteurs derail adult decision-making—and what to do about it.>>How Judgment Blocks Reinvention“If you’re judging yourself or others, the judge neural network is in charge—and it’s contagious.”Learn how to spot the “inner judge” sabotaging your growth and weaken its grip before it wrecks your next chapter.>>Escape the Bad Boss Loop“Most people don’t leave bad bosses—they recreate them.”Jennifer outlines five traps professionals fall into when trying to escape toxic leadership—and how to break the cycle for good.>>Office Politics Without Selling Your Soul“You’re not imagining it—some power games are real. But empathy is your best defense.”From defensive email habits to managing power dynamics with grace, Jennifer offers non-sleazy tactics for Gen X leaders navigating messy org charts.>>Redefining What ‘Winning’ Looks Like“Change that sticks often doesn’t look like the win you planned—but it’s the win you needed.”A fresh lens on how to reframe wins, even if they come in smaller, slower, or stranger packages than you expected._________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Jennifer Selby Long
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

May 3, 2025 • 28min
#338 Jennifer Selby Long: Personal Change First, Tech Change Second
Jennifer Selby Long has spent 30 years helping leaders navigate change—long before “change management” became a buzzword. In this episode, the Gen X executive coach reflects on how she stumbled into her calling during the early days of IT transformation, and why emotional intelligence—not just operational efficiency—is what drives successful digital change. Drawing from her own career pivots and coaching experiences, Jennifer explains how change must be mastered on a personal level before it can be led across an organization. For Gen Xers who’ve seen multiple waves of tech disruption and economic downturns, her story reminds us: experience isn’t old news—it’s the operating system for modern leadership.>>The Accidental Change Manager“I became an accidental change manager in the early 90s.”Jennifer shares how a basic IT training request exposed a deeper problem—one that launched her decades-long journey into change leadership.>>Coaching Tech Leaders Through the Chaos“We help leaders win at change.”From digital transformation to cybersecurity to user experience, Jennifer explains why leadership—not just management—is the biggest missing link in most change initiatives.>>A Gen X Career Rooted in Both People and Process“I kept trying to do stable things, but the change kept coming at me.”She describes how she went from resisting change to becoming its strategic champion—shaped by trial, error, and real-world messiness.>>The Power of Performance Psychology“Coaches aren’t therapists. They’re here to help you win.”Her earliest coaching experience came from a sports psychologist—and that mindset still guides how she supports high performers today.>>Understanding the Natural Process of Personal Change“There are three stages: endings, transition, and new beginnings.”Jennifer walks us through Bill Bridges’ model of change—and how leaders often forget their teams are still at the beginning when they’ve already moved on._________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Jennifer Selby Long
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.