

Chief Change Officer
Vince Chan
What’s Stopping You from Outgrowing Yourself?
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Chief Change Officer isn’t just another podcast. It ranks in the Top 3% globally, hit #1 in Careers (US), and cracked the Top 10 in Business (US)—because it offers what others don’t: expansive human intelligence, shared by the world’s most extraordinary thinkers and doers.
This is the space for transformation gurus, bold hearts, black sheep, and unsung visionaries. We go beyond digitized tips and AI-smooth talk. Here, you get real, time-tested, experience-driven wisdom—the kind that blends logic and love, art and science, hindsight and foresight.
For me, this show marks career transition #18. Across 17 transitions, I’ve been mentored by global changemakers who helped me emerge stronger and freer. Now, I’m passing that power forward—through raw, unfiltered conversations with extraordinary people across cultures, industries, and identities.
If you’re a growth progressive, a black horse, a visionary underdog, or someone boldly rewriting the rules—you’re already one of us. Because you are the Chief Change Officer.
Our mission?
To help you become wiser in action, clearer in thought, and more ambitious in motion—so you can outgrow yourself and unlock outcomes beyond imagination or calculation.
A better you is already unfolding.
130,000+ followers are outgrowing.
Join them on LinkedIn, Apple, Spotify, and YouTube @chiefchangeofficer.
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Chief Change Officer isn’t just another podcast. It ranks in the Top 3% globally, hit #1 in Careers (US), and cracked the Top 10 in Business (US)—because it offers what others don’t: expansive human intelligence, shared by the world’s most extraordinary thinkers and doers.
This is the space for transformation gurus, bold hearts, black sheep, and unsung visionaries. We go beyond digitized tips and AI-smooth talk. Here, you get real, time-tested, experience-driven wisdom—the kind that blends logic and love, art and science, hindsight and foresight.
For me, this show marks career transition #18. Across 17 transitions, I’ve been mentored by global changemakers who helped me emerge stronger and freer. Now, I’m passing that power forward—through raw, unfiltered conversations with extraordinary people across cultures, industries, and identities.
If you’re a growth progressive, a black horse, a visionary underdog, or someone boldly rewriting the rules—you’re already one of us. Because you are the Chief Change Officer.
Our mission?
To help you become wiser in action, clearer in thought, and more ambitious in motion—so you can outgrow yourself and unlock outcomes beyond imagination or calculation.
A better you is already unfolding.
130,000+ followers are outgrowing.
Join them on LinkedIn, Apple, Spotify, and YouTube @chiefchangeofficer.
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Feb 7, 2025 • 16min
#167 Work3 Institute Co-Founder Josh Drean: Employment is Dead. Now What? — Part Two
Part Two of a 3-part series on Josh Drean. Josh has worn many hats—Harvard MBA, psychology grad, co-founder of Work3 Institute and now, co-author of Employment is Dead (Harvard Business Review Press).
In the Part 1 of a three-part series with Josh, we dug into why the corporate world’s obsession with employee engagement surveys is as effective as asking your toaster for career advice. Spoiler alert: Most companies don’t actually want honest feedback from employees.
Here in Part 2, where look deep into the book's journey: how did this provocative and ambitious book come about in the very first place?
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
A Book Born from a Cold Call
“I know this sounds completely random, but do you want to write a book together?” That’s how co-author Deborah Perry Piscione kickstarted Employment is Dead. One unexpected call, a bold idea, and a title sticky enough to catch Harvard Business Review’s attention.
The Slow Reality of Publishing in a Fast-Changing World
“Can you imagine writing a chapter about a year ago and then having it publish a year later? It’s outdated week to week almost.” While AI and Web3 reshape the workforce at lightning speed, traditional publishing still takes years. To bridge the gap, Josh turned to TikTok, LinkedIn, and YouTube—engaging with audiences in real-time while waiting for the book’s release.
A 120-Page Proposal and a Bidding War
“Before we knew it, we had 120 pages of this proposal, which was much too long.” What started as an overstuffed pitch ended in a bidding war among publishers. The reason? Josh and Deborah weren’t just talking about changing work culture—they were exposing how outdated employment structures hold workers back.
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Josh Drean
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for
Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs,
Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts.
6 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Feb 7, 2025 • 21min
#166 Work3 Institute Co-Founder Josh Drean: Employment is Dead. Now What? — Part One
Part One of a 3-part series on Josh Drean. Josh has worn many hats—Harvard MBA, psychology grad, co-founder of Work3 Institute and now, co-author of Employment is Dead (Harvard Business Review Press).
We’re kicking off 2025 with a bang—by declaring employment dead. Yes, you read that right. Josh Drean is here to dismantle the traditional job market, toss outdated HR policies into the digital abyss, and redefine what it means to work in the modern world.
This is Part 1 of a three-part series with Josh, where we dig into why the corporate world’s obsession with employee engagement surveys is as effective as asking your toaster for career advice. Spoiler alert: Most companies don’t actually want honest feedback from employees.
Stay tuned for Part 2, where we take the conversation even deeper into the new rules of work.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Why “people are our greatest asset” is corporate gaslighting – If people were really assets, why are they still an expense on the balance sheet?
The future is flexible, but companies are stuck in the past – Why forcing employees back to the office is like making them commute to a typewriter factory.
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Connect with us:
Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Josh Drean
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for
Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs,
Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts.
6 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Feb 6, 2025 • 24min
#165 Change Fatigue? Tigerhall CEO Nellie Wartoft Has the Cure — Part Two
Part Two.
Change is inevitable, but doing it well? That’s another story. Nellie Wartoft has spent years helping leaders across Europe, Asia, and now the U.S. figure it out. As the founder of Tiger Hall, she’s built a tech-powered playbook for making change work. In this two-part series, we’ll talk about cross-cultural leadership, why change efforts so often crash and burn, and how to make sure yours doesn’t.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Hating SharePoint and Finding a Better Way
“The inefficiency of tools like SharePoint highlighted a fundamental gap: employees struggling to align with HQ’s vision. Miscommunication bred resistance and fatigue, even when both sides had good intentions. The question arose—why can’t change communication be as engaging as social media or Spotify?”
The Universal Human Side of Change
“No matter where you are in the world, the human psyche reacts similarly to change—fear, chaos, uncertainty, and emotion are universal experiences. Change fatigue and resistance aren’t cultural anomalies; they’re deeply human responses shared across geographies.”
The Ego Factor: A Leadership Killer
“High-ego, high-fear leaders stifle transformation. They resist feedback, take criticism personally, and foster a top-down, do-as-I-say culture. Modern transformation demands collaborative leadership that embraces input, fosters trust, and thrives on dialogue—not outdated command-and-control styles.”
“Short-Term Results vs. Long-Term Vision”
“U.S. organizations prioritize quarterly results and trend-driven decisions, like the AI boom. Meanwhile, Asian companies often take a more measured, long-term approach, rooted in heritage and identity. Both approaches have their strengths but lead to vastly different paces of execution.”
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Connect with us:
Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Nellie Wartoft
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for
Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs,
Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts.
6 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Feb 6, 2025 • 25min
#164 Change Fatigue? Tigerhall CEO Nellie Wartoft Has the Cure — Part One
Part One.
Change is inevitable, but doing it well? That’s another story. Nellie Wartoft has spent years helping leaders across Europe, Asia, and now the U.S. figure it out. As the founder of Tiger Hall, she’s built a tech-powered playbook for making change work. In this two-part series, we’ll talk about cross-cultural leadership, why change efforts so often crash and burn, and how to make sure yours doesn’t.
Key Highlights of Our Interview
More Cows Than People: The Swedish Small-Town Origin Story
“Growing up in a small village in southern Sweden—population: lots of cows, not many humans—instilled an early drive to explore bigger horizons. For professional and cultural reasons, leaving was a must.”
The McDonald’s Effect: Discovering Professional Passions
“The guest credits their time flipping burgers at McDonald’s as a pivotal moment in shaping their career. It was there they discovered their love for three key elements: a high-paced environment, the thrill of commercial success, and the art of leadership. These ‘professional addictions’ would become the foundation of every role they pursued.”
Resilience and Identity: Anchoring Yourself Beyond Titles
“Basing your identity on external factors like job titles or status is a risky game—what happens if they’re taken away? Instead, ground your sense of self in unshakable traits: hard work, learning, good intentions, or resilience. These are constants, no matter what life throws your way.”
Life of Adventure vs. Life of Leisure
“Challenging societal norms, the guest recounts a thought-provoking quote: ‘A life of leisure is hell, and a life of adventure and purpose is heaven.’ From childhood, we’re often told to seek rest and relaxation, but the guest argues that purpose and adventure are what truly give life meaning.”
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Nellie Wartoft
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for
Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs,
Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts.
6 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Feb 6, 2025 • 23min
#163 Life GPS: Robert MacPhee on Values-Based Living — Part Two
Part Two.Robert MacPhee once parked cars—now he helps people find their parking spot in life. As a former right-hand to Chicken Soup for the Soul’s Jack Canfield and the author of Living a Values-Based Life, he’s all about helping people shift gears toward purpose.In this episode, we tackle life’s tricky intersections: Why do we struggle to define what we value? How does aligning your actions with your values make life smoother? And what’s with Robert’s strong opinions on clarity? Tune in for some deep insights, a few laughs, and maybe even a tune-up for your own life’s GPS.Key Highlights of Our Interviews:Why It’s So Hard to Define Our Own Values“Most people’s initial list of values often reflects what they think others want to hear. We’re so conditioned to impress others or meet external expectations that it’s challenging to pause and ask: What truly matters to me? The real magic begins when we strip away external noise and align with our authentic priorities.”How a Values-Based Life Can Improve Work“Clarity about values doesn’t just make personal life better—it’s transformative for work too. Aligning your actions with priorities like contribution or integrity can help you show up fully, even in challenging moments. That alignment makes work feel purposeful instead of draining.”Do Values Change Over Time? The Short Answer: Yes.“Values aren’t set in stone—they evolve with life stages and circumstances. For instance, what mattered to you in high school may be worlds apart from what tops your list in your sixties or seventies. Life experiences, like becoming a parent or caring for aging loved ones, naturally shift our focus, making values an ongoing conversation, not a one-time declaration.”Keeping Values Visible“The importance of keeping your values front and center can’t be overstated. Whether on your phone, bathroom mirror, or bedside table, revisiting your values regularly keeps them aligned with your current life stage. A daily reminder to reflect, re-anchor, and adjust ensures your values stay relevant.”_________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Robert MacPhee--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs,TransformationGurus & Bold Hearts.6 Million+ All-Time Downloads.Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.Global Top 3% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Feb 5, 2025 • 32min
#162 Life GPS: Robert MacPhee on Values-Based Living — Part One
Part One.
Robert MacPhee once parked cars—now he helps people find their parking spot in life. As a former right-hand to Chicken Soup for the Soul’s Jack Canfield and the author of Living a Values-Based Life, he’s all about helping people shift gears toward purpose.
In this episode, we tackle life’s tricky intersections: Why do we struggle to define what we value? How does aligning your actions with your values make life smoother? And what’s with Robert’s strong opinions on clarity? Tune in for some deep insights, a few laughs, and maybe even a tune-up for your own life’s GPS.
Key Highlights of Our Interviews:
A Masterclass with Jack Canfield
“I was fortunate to work closely with Jack Canfield, the co-creator of Chicken Soup for the Soul. Over nearly a decade, I learned invaluable lessons about personal development and training, which inspired me to branch out and develop my own concept—Excellent Decisions.”
Living a Values-Based Life
“My current focus, and the heart of my book, Living a Values-Based Life, is helping people clarify their most important values. Once they’re clear on those, they can create a life—and in many cases, a business—that truly aligns with what matters most to them.”
What Are Values, Really?
“At its core, values are what’s most important to us. They define how we want to show up in the world and guide the ways we choose to be. When we are clear about our values, they become a compass, fundamentally shifting how we navigate life and work."
Why Are Values So Hard to Define?
“Most people struggle to articulate their values simply because no one teaches them how. Schools don’t prioritize it, and while parents might model certain values, they often don’t have the tools to guide their children through truly understanding and clarifying their highest values. It’s not intuitive, and it’s certainly not a one-hour workshop—it’s a journey.”
Values Are More Than Ideals; They’re Tools
“Without clearly defined values, navigating life is like walking blindfolded. You may move forward, but without a compass, you risk heading in the wrong direction. Society constantly pushes external markers like money, cars, or houses as measures of success. But aligning goals with deeply personal values, like strengthening family relationships or contributing to a cause, brings fulfillment and focus.”
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Connect with us:
Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Robert MacPhee
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for
Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs,
Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts.
6 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Feb 5, 2025 • 23min
#161 From Talk Show Dreams to Improv CEO: Erin Diehl’s Business of Joy — Part Two
Part Two.
Meet Erin Diehl, a woman who turned “winging it” into a career strategy. She’s the founder and CEO of Improve It, a company that uses improv to help teams thrive.
As a kid, Erin dreamed of being a talk show host. Instead, she became a top podcast host and business leader, blending humor and learning to help others grow. She calls herself a failfluencer—because, in her world, failure isn’t an end, it’s a punchline and a lesson.
In this two-part series, we explore Erin’s journey, her philosophy on joy, and why failing might just be your best career move yet.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
WTF: Worst Terrifying Failure
“2020 was my crash course in failure. The pandemic forced our in-person business to pivot entirely online overnight. At the same time, I juggled new motherhood, supporting a recovering parent, and trying to keep my business afloat. It was my WTF moment: my Worst Terrifying Failure.”
This breakdown captures the essence of the MOVE ON methodology:
1. Marinate: Sit With It, Not In It
Failure isn’t something you can brush off overnight. Take the time to sit with your worst terrifying failure—your WTF story. Reflect deeply. Walk, journal, or simply allow yourself to process. It’s about feeling without rushing to fix.
2. Own It: Forgive and Face the Thought Worms
“Own your part in the failure, but more importantly, forgive yourself. We repeat 80% of our negative thoughts daily, so break that cycle. Recognize those thought worms for what they are and stop letting them dictate your story.”
3. Verify the Lessons: What Will You Take With You?
“Failure comes bearing lessons—two or three takeaways that you can carry forward. Identify what you’ve learned and how you’ll avoid the same pitfalls in the future. This step transforms failure into wisdom.”
4. Evaluate: What’s the Plan?
5. Observe the Growth: Prepare for the Next Chapter
6. Embrace Failure as Part of Change
Connect with us:
Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Erin Diehl
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for
Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs,
Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts.
6 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Feb 4, 2025 • 22min
#160 From Talk Show Dreams to Improv CEO: Erin Diehl’s Business of Joy — Part One
Part One.
Meet Erin Diehl, a woman who turned “winging it” into a career strategy. She’s the founder and CEO of Improve It, a company that uses improv to help teams thrive.
As a kid, Erin dreamed of being a talk show host. Instead, she became a top podcast host and business leader, blending humor and learning to help others grow. She calls herself a failfluencer—because, in her world, failure isn’t an end, it’s a punchline and a lesson.
In this two-part series, we explore Erin’s journey, her philosophy on joy, and why failing might just be your best career move yet.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Improv Meets the Corporate World
“I didn’t plan to merge improv and business. But during my nine-to-five at a recruiting firm, my nights were dedicated to stages at Second City and ImprovOlympic. Suddenly, I saw how listening, empathy, and quick thinking from improv transformed my work life. The dots connected.”
United We Innovate
“Pitching an improv workshop to United Airlines was a gamble, but it paid off—literally. What started as a passion experiment became a calling when United became my first paying client. Improv wasn’t just for the stage anymore.”
The Teacher’s High
“That feeling of guiding someone toward growth is intoxicating. It’s a high I kept chasing, and the more I taught, the more I wanted to do it. Seeing others find joy became my own source of joy.”
From ROI to ROO: The Objective Shift
“We don’t measure ROI; we measure ROO—Return on Objective. Every engagement starts with a consult call to pinpoint your specific challenges and objectives, ensuring everything aligns with the participants’ needs.”
Connect with us:
Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Erin Diehl
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for
Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs,
Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts.
6 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Feb 3, 2025 • 20min
#159 Nina Sossamon-Pogue from U.S. Gymnastics Team: When Life Cuts Your Routine Short - Part Two
Part Two.
If resilience were a sport, Nina Sossamon-Pogue would be an all-around champion. She started her gymnastics journey at four, made it all the way to the U.S. Gymnastics Team, and learned early that falling wasn’t failure—it was part of the process.
But life threw her some unexpected dismounts: missing the Olympic team, an injury that ended her career, and getting let go from a 17-year journalism job she loved. Most people might have stayed down. Not Nina. She launched herself into the tech world, proving reinvention is just another skill to master.
Yesterday, in part one, we dived into Nina’s journey—her highs, her wipeouts, and how she had kept pushing forward. Today, in part two, we’ll explore the unique tools she’s developed to help others bounce back from setbacks. Because let’s be real—life has no safety mats.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Why the Reverse Resume Matters
“When hiring, I ask, ‘What’s something you’ve overcome?’ That’s where the magic is. Those bottom-line moments define the strength you bring to every table.”
The Power of Perspective: Achievements and Challenges Together”
“Your resume tells one story, but your reverse resume tells the deeper truth: what you’ve overcome. Together, they define not just what you’ve done, but who you are.”
“Success vs. a Successful Lifetime: Spot the Difference”
“A nice car, a big house, a shiny jet—that’s success. But a successful lifetime? That’s the legacy, the relationships, the impact. The timeline reveals the whole messy, marvelous story.”
Life is a Bag of Legos
“Imagine dumping out a Ziploc bag full of Legos. Same colors, same shapes, same pieces. Yet, you’d build something entirely different from me. That’s your life—it’s uniquely yours to assemble.”
Connect with us:
Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Nina Sossamon-Pogue
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for
Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs,
Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts.
6 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Feb 2, 2025 • 28min
#158 Nina Sossamon-Pogue from U.S. Gymnastics Team: When Life Cuts Your Routine Short - Part One
Part One.
If resilience were a sport, Nina Sossamon-Pogue would be an all-around champion. She started her gymnastics journey at four, made it all the way to the U.S. Gymnastics Team, and learned early that falling wasn’t failure—it was part of the process.
But life threw her some unexpected dismounts: missing the Olympic team, an injury that ended her career, and getting let go from a 17-year journalism job she loved. Most people might have stayed down. Not Nina. She launched herself into the tech world, proving reinvention is just another skill to master.
Today, in part one, we dive into Nina’s journey—her highs, her wipeouts, and how she kept pushing forward. Tomorrow, in part two, we’ll explore the unique tools she’s developed to help others bounce back from setbacks. Because let’s be real—life has no safety mats.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
The Personal Toll of Public Life
“While doing three live shows a day, I went through a divorce, an accident, and some of the darkest moments of my life. I wondered if I’d ever feel happy again.”
Finding Your Sweet Spot: Skills, Opportunities, and Trends
“When making a career pivot, ask yourself three key questions: What am I good at? Where’s the money? And what’s the trajectory of the industry I’m entering? Aligning these answers sets the foundation for a successful transition.”
Coffee, Conversations, and Clarity: Gaining Insight From Your Network
“To discover where I could make an impact, I turned to trusted colleagues and asked: If you had to hire me, what would you hire me for? Their answers revealed skills I hadn’t fully recognized and pointed me toward opportunities I hadn’t considered.”
Your Skills, Seen Through Fresh Eyes
“What others find valuable in you might surprise you. It’s a reminder to seek outside perspectives—they could reveal your next big opportunity.”
Connect with us:
Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Nina Sossamon-Pogue
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for
Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs,
Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts.
6 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.