

The Consumer Finance Podcast
Chris Willis, Troutman Pepper Locke
The Consumer Finance Podcast provides reliable, insightful, and entertaining industry-specific content central to consumer finance services. Hosted by veteran Troutman Pepper Locke CFS Partner Chris Willis, this podcast features industry experts, insiders, and other Troutman Pepper Locke attorneys delivering easily digestible segments on a variety of topics.
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Aug 14, 2025 • 16min
Regulatory Rollback: CFPB's Withdrawal of Informal Guidance Sparks New Litigation Dynamics
In this episode of The Consumer Finance Podcast, Chris Willis is joined by veteran litigators Jason Manning and Carter Nichols to explore litigation implications following the CFPB's withdrawal of nearly 70 pieces of informal guidance earlier this year. The discussion examines how this significant shift impacts private litigation, particularly in cases where courts previously relied on these guidance documents, opening new avenues for legal arguments and challenges in a landscape where statutory interpretation and legal strategy become paramount with opportunities to redefine precedents and discover uncharted legal territories. The episode underscores the evolving nature of consumer finance litigation and the strategic considerations that come with these regulatory changes.

Jul 31, 2025 • 17min
Point-of-Sale Finance Series: Unpacking Leases and RTO Models
In this crossover episode of The Consumer Finance Podcast and Payments Pros, Chris Willis, Jason Cover, and Taylor Gess expand on the Point-of-Sale Finance Series to focus on leases and rent-to-own (RTO) models. This conversation spotlights the legal frameworks and best practices for structuring these models and integrating alternative financial options into point-of-sale offerings for goods and services. They also discuss market trends driving the creation of innovative products that are becoming increasingly popular, including virtual RTOs, solar panel leasing, and short-term renewable transactions for ride-share programs.

Jul 24, 2025 • 25min
Regulatory Rollback: Legal Challenges and Opportunities in Earned-Wage Access
This discussion features Keith Barnett, host of the Payments Pros podcast, and Mark Furletti, a partner at Troutman Pepper Locke, who specializes in Consumer Financial Services. They explore the recent changes in regulatory guidance on earned-wage access (EWA) products, especially after the CFPB's withdrawal. The conversation highlights the history of EWA, the challenges posed by varying state laws, and the importance of compliance for fintechs. They also touch on the rising trend of litigation surrounding EWA, emphasizing the need for clarity in legal frameworks.

Jul 17, 2025 • 26min
Wire Fraud Litigants Beware: Fourth Circuit Ruling Protects the Banks
In this episode of The Consumer Finance Podcast, Chris Willis is joined by veteran litigators and Troutman Pepper Locke Partners Mary Zinsner and Heryka Knoespel to dissect a groundbreaking Fourth Circuit decision on bank liability in wire transfer fraud cases. The ruling clarifies the actual knowledge standard under the Uniform Commercial Code, rejecting negligence-based liability and safeguarding the speed and efficiency of the banking system. Discover how this decision impacts future litigation and the banking industry's approach to fraud prevention.

Jul 10, 2025 • 16min
From Banks to Fintech: The Evolution of Small Business Lending
In this special crossover edition of Payments Pros and The Consumer Finance Podcast, Carlin McCrory and Jason Cover are joined by their colleague Caleb Rosenberg to explore the evolving landscape of small business financing. They highlight the significant growth in diverse financing products and providers, which have expanded funding access for small businesses, particularly startups.The discussion outlines the evolution from traditional bank lending to the rise of online and fintech solutions, which have filled gaps left by conventional lenders. The group also examines the complexities of the regulatory environment, focusing on the increased scrutiny from state legislatures and the introduction of consumer-like disclosure requirements for small business lending.Additionally, they consider the impact of recent legislative changes in states like Texas and Louisiana, which could transform financing practices. The conversation includes best practices for structuring and servicing financial products while also speculating on future regulatory trends and the potential influence of federal oversight by the FTC.

Jul 3, 2025 • 19min
Point-of-Sale Finance Series: Banking on Lending Models
In this crossover episode of The Consumer Finance Podcast and Payments Pros, Chris Willis, Jason Cover, and Taylor Gess continue the Point-of-Sale Finance Series to discuss licensed lending and bank model lending programs. This conversation dives into the benefits, challenges, and regulatory landscapes that shape these popular lending models for financial institutions and fintechs. Consumer finance providers will gain valuable insights on structuring successful lending partnerships in today's complex environment.

Jun 26, 2025 • 17min
Current Regulatory, Legislative, and Litigation Developments on ADA Website Accessibility for Consumer Finance Digital Platforms
In this episode of The Consumer Finance Podcast, Chris Willis and Lori Sommerfield discuss the latest regulatory, legislative, and litigation developments under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), as accessibility of digital platforms and mobile applications increasingly become crucial for consumer finance providers. This episode covers the DOJ's guidance on website accessibility, evolving Web Content Accessibility Guidelines, potential legislative solutions, and the risks of private litigation amid a surge in lawsuits alleging violations of the ADA. With a focus on litigation trends and risk mitigation strategies, this discussion is vital for businesses striving to ensure compliance and protect their digital assets in a complex legal environment. Gain practical insights on assessing and improving website accessibility and learn how to establish a robust ADA risk management program to shield your business from potential legal challenges.

Jun 20, 2025 • 28min
Cruising Through Change: The Auto-Finance Industry’s New Era Under Trump Unveiled
In this special crossover episode between Moving the Metal and The Consumer Finance Podcast, Brooke Conkle, Chris Capurso, and Chris Willis analyze the first 100 days of the second Trump administration, focusing on its impact on the auto-finance industry. They discuss the anticipated enforcement slowdown by the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), unexpected halts in supervisory activities, and leadership changes at the Federal Trade Commission and CFPB. The conversation highlights the administration's focus on consumer fees, the evolving role of state regulators, and shifts in discrimination theories impacting compliance practices. This episode provides insights into strategic regulatory changes and offers guidance for navigating the complexities of the auto-finance sector in 2025.

Jun 12, 2025 • 23min
Regulatory Rollback: Inside the CFPB’s FCRA Guidance Withdrawal
In this special crossover episode between FCRA Focus and The Consumer Finance Podcast, Kim Phan, Dave Gettings, Chris Willis, and Cindy Hanson explore the recent withdrawal of Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) guidance affecting the Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA). This episode provides a comprehensive analysis of how these changes impact key areas such as preemption, background screening, permissible purpose, artificial intelligence, and state attorneys general enforcement actions. The discussion highlights the implications for consumer reporting agencies, furnishers, end-users, and the broader regulatory landscape, offering valuable insights for professionals navigating these evolving challenges. Tune in to understand the potential shifts in compliance and enforcement.

Jun 5, 2025 • 15min
Point-of-Sale Finance Series: The Great Debate of Loans vs. Credit Sales
In this crossover episode of The Consumer Finance Podcast and Payments Pros, Chris Willis, Jason Cover, and Taylor Gess unravel the often-confused distinctions between loans and credit sales in the first installment of our Point-of-Sale Finance Series. This episode sheds light on the regulatory nuances that impact the delivery of financial products. From the historical backdrop of Retail Installment Sales Acts to the modern-day challenges of terminology, the conversation offers a comprehensive overview of the pros and cons of retail installment contracts and direct loans. Whether you're a seasoned professional or new to consumer finance, this discussion will enhance your understanding of these pivotal financial structures.