
Book Overflow
In a world of short-form content, it's important to engage with long-form ideas. Book Overflow is a podcast created for software engineers, by software engineers to discuss the best technical books in the world. Join co-hosts Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups each week as they discuss a new technical book! New episodes every Monday!
Latest episodes

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Aug 19, 2024 • 1h 32min
"Building Evolutionary Architectures" by Neal Ford, Rebecca Parsons, Patrick Kua, and Pramod Sadalage (Part 1)
Join Neal Ford, an expert in software architecture, Rebecca Parsons, a thought leader in engineering, Patrick Kua, a software coach, and Pramod Sadalage, a database design authority, as they delve into revolutionary software practices. They discuss the pivotal role of fitness functions in assessing system qualities and the shift towards cloud and DevOps. The guests explore Python quirks and the importance of conascence in system integrity, while emphasizing the sidecar pattern for managing operations without disrupting logic—all vital for building adaptive software architectures.

Aug 15, 2024 • 46min
Apple Design Award Winner Devin Davies Shares His Learning Strategies
Devin Davies, an Apple Design Award Winner celebrated for his innovative recipe app Crouton, shares his journey from weekend project enthusiast to successful app developer. He discusses the challenges of transitioning to SwiftUI and the impact of personal projects on skill enhancement. The conversation explores the fusion of design and technology, emphasizing the importance of continuous education and the joy of creative endeavors. Devin also reflects on navigating the shift toward independence in the creative field, balancing personal passions with full-time commitments.

Aug 12, 2024 • 1h 9min
"Recoding America" by Jennifer Pahlka
In this episode of Book Overflow, Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups discuss "Recoding America: Why Government Is Failing in the Digital Age and How We Can Do Better" by Jennifer Pahlka. This book was personally recommended by Brian Kernighan and is about what processes and cultures make government technology so woefully inadequate. Join Carter and Nathan as they discuss agile vs. waterfall, the importance of a good business culture, and possible infringements on civil liberties!

Aug 8, 2024 • 1h 9min
Robert "Uncle Bob" Martin Reflects on "Clean Coder"
In this very special episode of Book Overflow, Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups are joined by the prolific Robert "Uncle Bob" Martin to discuss his book "Clean Coder." Join them as Uncle Bob talks about his thoughts on the "flow zone," humility, and what coding has to do with flying an airplane!
Links to all the books mentioned in the episode can be found in the YouTube episode description: https://youtu.be/wf68VDObVX0
00:00 Intro
03:29 Motivation for writing Clean Coder
06:00 Learning from Life Experiences
09:39 Professionalism and the Challenger Story
17:14 Pros and Cons of Flow State (The Zone)
21:10 Learning from your mistakes
24:11 Sobriety (and a story of getting drunk at a party)
30:17 Timeless advice, Professionalism, and saying No
35:39 Blameless Postmortems and taking responsibility
40:03 Agency, Control, Situational Awareness and Culture
43:58 Unconventional career paths and creativity
53:00 Layers of Abstraction
56:16 Thoughts on AI and LLMs
01:00:58 Book Recommendations
01:06:49 Closing Thoughts

Aug 5, 2024 • 1h 28min
"Web Scalability for Startup Engineers" by Artur Ejsmont (Part 2)
In this episode of Book Overflow, Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups finish up their discussion of "Web Scalability for Startup Engineers" by Artur Ejsmont. Join them as they discuss caching strategies, async messaging, and managing burnout in your career!
Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week!
The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io

Aug 1, 2024 • 58min
Michael Feathers Reflects on "Working Effectively with Legacy Code"
In this special episode of Book Overflow, Michael Feathers joins Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups to reflect on his book "Working Effectively with Legacy Code." Join them as they discuss the pros and cons of TDD, the dangers of AI hallucination, and why Michael became a software engineer!

Jul 29, 2024 • 1h 24min
"Web Scalability for Startup Engineers" by Artur Ejsmont (Part 1)
In this episode of Book Overflow, Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups discuss "Web Scalability for Startup Engineers" by Artur Ejsmont. Join them as they discuss how to build a stateless front-end, the benefits of microservices, and the differences between SQL and NoSQL!

Jul 24, 2024 • 60min
John Ousterhout Reflects on "A Philosophy of Software Design"
In this special episode of Book Overflow, Dr. John Ousterhout joins Carter and Nathan to discuss his book "A Philosophy of Software Design." He reflects on why he wrote the book, how he teaches the principles in it to his Stanford students, and what we can learn from our mistakes.
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00:00 Intro
01:18 Motivation for writing this book
06:17 Why No TAs for Stanford Class
08:55 Thoughts on TDD
14:24 Design it Twice
20:30 Most Surprising Feedback
31:46 Taking suggestions with a grain of salt
33:20 Curiosity and Humility
36:13 Misunderstandings from the book
39:37 Strong opinions, humility, and fear of being wrong
44:35 Unconventional Career Paths
50:13 What are you reading?
51:22 Thoughts on Clean Code
53:50 Advice for new software engineers
58:00 Closing Thoughts

Jul 22, 2024 • 1h 19min
"Working Effectively with Legacy Code" by Michael Feathers (Part 2)
In this episode of Book Overflow, Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups discuss the second half of "Working Effectively with Legacy Code" by Michael Feathers. Join them as they discuss how to keep up a good attitude while working on legacy code, how to get started when you're intimidated, and some of the legacy and greenfield projects they've worked on in their careers!
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Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week!
The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://bookoverflow.io
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Jul 17, 2024 • 1h 2min
Neal Ford Reflects on "Fundamentals of Software Architecture"
In this special episode of Book Overflow, Neal Ford joins the podcast to reflect on his book "Fundamentals of Software Architecture!" Join Carter and Nathan as they discuss the challenges of compromising with the business, what shifts AI is bringing to the software architecture world, and what sci-fi Neal's been reading lately!
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