Outside Podcast

Roman Dial is engaged in a five-decade exploration of Alaska by raft, mountain bike, and foot … but not trail. Over the course of locally legendary adventures like his 800-mile traverse of the Brooks Range and the 628 miles he once hiked with a single backpack’s worth of food and gear, Dial was forced to invent new means of transport, like the pack raft and a form of bushwack mountain biking called “hell biking.” His commitment to physical pursuits in his adopted home state is matched by intellectual traversing during a 30-plus year career as a professor of science and mathematics at Alaska Pacific University. As a teacher, Roman used his remarkable outdoor skills to lead research expeditions into the bush to mentor generations of scientists, all of which is beautifully captured in a new film about his life, “Arctic Alchemy.” After five decades of these sufferfests, Roman has a perspective on life and adventure that will change your attitude the next time you’re cold, wet, and many miles from home.

Even those of us who seek freedom and adventure in the wilderness are hardwired to keep themselves safe. It’s why we, as a species, outlasted the dodo and reached the top of the food chain. But there is a subset of outdoor athletes who seem to have found the genetic safety switch in their mitochondria and turned it off—folks like ski alpinist Christina Lustenberger. Lusti, as her superhuman friends call her, has racked up more first descents on mountains of consequence than arguably any other other woman in the last 10 years. These culminated in the past few years with the 20,000 foot Great Trango Tower in Pakistan, and Mount Robson, Canada’s tallest peak. But it’s in the less expected parts of her life that Lusti proves that she’s not always fearless. When it comes to facing the relationships in her life that aren’t going well, she feels the sharp end of fear that the rest of us might get staring up Robson. And what she does with that fear might surprise you. 

Cory Richards, a renowned photographer and mountaineer, opens up about stepping away from climbing after a mental health crisis during a Nepal expedition. He discusses the challenges of redefining his identity outside of outdoor adventure, exploring the fine line between solitude and isolation. Cory shares his nostalgic memories of climbing, the evolving nature of his storytelling focus, and the importance of community over achievement in outdoor pursuits. He ponders the duality of the outdoors, emphasizing both its healing qualities and darker influences on his mental well-being.

Rowan Jacobsen, a contributing editor and author specializing in food, nature, and science, dives into the intriguing world of truffle hunting. He shares tales from eerie Italian forests to the Appalachian hills where truffles, worth their weight in gold, are stealthily sought after. The conversation explores the underground economy likened to the drug trade, the thrill of the hunt, and the unique aromas that make truffles irresistible. Rowan also discusses the secretive 'truffle knights' in Hungary and predicts an exciting future for American truffle culture.

Kai Lightner, a celebrated youth climbing champion and founder of Climbing for Change, discusses the intricate balance between physical and emotional challenges in outdoor climbing. He shares how climbing helps him confront fear and anxiety, providing emotional catharsis. Kai reflects on the pressures of being a prodigy and the grounding influence of his mother. He highlights how techniques in climbing translate to life skills, advocating for the importance of resilience and adaptability in both realms. Plus, gear essentials and favorite snacks!

Ella Al-Shamahi, a paleoanthropologist and TV presenter, delves into our intrinsic love for adventure. She explores the evolutionary roots of exploration and reveals how early humans, including fascinating species she refers to as 'Hobbits' and 'Dragon Men,' shaped our DNA. Ella discusses our community-building instincts and how traits like imagination and long childhoods fueled human success. She believes that our urge for adventure helped Homo sapiens thrive while others faded away, linking our innate wanderlust to survival and colonization.

They say it’s not the fall that gets ya, it’s the landing. Fear of falling, or smacking one’s face onto the cold hard earth, is an innate human emotion. Even for athletes who’ve spent a lifetime climbing mountains, traversing sheer cliffs, balancing on knife-edge ridgelines, this fear never disappears. And that’s why folks who paraglide, speedfly, and skydive are both fascinating and confounding. What do they know that the rest of us don’t? Well, champion wingsuit pilot and quantum physicist, Alexey Galda knows a lot about it. Alexey spends his weekdays  in quantum computing at the pharmaceutical giant Moderna. And his weekends are spent jumping out of perfectly good airplanes donning a  “squirrel suit” that lets him move horizontally through the sky at speeds exceeding 200 miles an hour. Even if these worlds seem drastically different, they both impact the other and allow Alexey to, ahem, fly through fear.

Join John King, a kinetic artist and veteran backcountry skier, as he recounts his epic 1978 ski traverse across Colorado. His adventure, spanning 490 miles and 65,000 vertical feet, was a remarkable mix of endurance and artistry, inspiring the documentary *Moving Line*. John discusses how outdoor experiences fuel his creativity, and he shares poignant moments from the journey that shaped his belief: exploration is art. Discover the joy of uphill travel, the meditative power of wilderness, and how these insights translate into daily life.

Chitchatting is a natural part of any adventure you do with a pal—what else are you gonna do around a campfire or sitting on the tailgate at a trailhead or going for a long walk in the woods? But most of us don’t set out on a journey for the sole purpose of talking with strangers. That’s exactly what writer and standup paddleboarder Dan Rubinstein did. Over 11 weeks, he paddled 1,200 miles from his home in Ottawa to New York City and back, talking to whoever he came upon in the process. He was partially inspired by a fascination with the benefits of so-called “blue space,” which is the aquatic equivalent of green space. But he was also looking to revive a spirit that was flagging under some existential weight. Dan came away from his trip with a better understanding of how time spent on and in water improves your life; more importantly, he came away with a renewed appreciation for his fellow man and woman.

For most of us, mountain biking is a great way to get into the outdoors, get a workout, get an adrenaline rush, and hopefully avoid losing any skin or breaking a collarbone. For the mountain bikers of Red Bull’s annual Rampage contest, mountain biking is a means of defining the limits of human performance and fear tolerance. Every year, these men and women gather on a sprawling ridgeline near Zion National Park in Utah, and proceed to see who can ride the least rideable-looking line down a mountain bigger than your last 5 descents, combined. It is one of the most unbelievable spectacles in the world of action and outdoor sports, and since it’s about to go down this weekend, we asked our friends at the Pinkbike Podcast—who know more about mountain biking than just about anyone on Earth—to give us a little preview of the what, who, and why to watch.