Wilder Podcast

SummaryIn this episode of The Wilder Podcast, hosts Chloe and Tom explore the concept of nature connection, discussing its importance for mental health and wellbeing, the barriers that prevent it, and the pathways to rekindling our relationship with the natural world. They explore the significance of understanding nature connection, particularly among adolescents, and stress the need for systemic change to encourage deeper engagement with nature. The conversation underscores the reciprocal relationship between people and the environment, calling for a shift in language and policy to strengthen nature connection across society.Prof Miles Richardson's booksWebsiteThe Blackbird's SongReconnectionNature Connection Research GroupTakeawaysNature connection is vital for mental health and wellbeing.The UK ranks low in both nature connectedness and biodiversity.Urbanisation and technology are major contributors to disconnection from nature.Emotional engagement and education can foster stronger nature connection.Adolescents often experience a notable dip in nature connection during their teenage years.Research shows a strong correlation between nature connection and pro-environmental behaviour.Engaging the senses is a powerful way to deepen nature connection.Community involvement plays a key role in successful nature restoration projects.Nature connection should be seen as a reciprocal relationship.Systemic changes are essential to improving access to nature for everyone.Chapters00:00 – Introduction10:49 – Understanding Nature Connection16:01 – Defining Nature Connection21:25 – Nature Connection and Wellbeing32:55 – Barriers to Nature Connection45:43 – Pathways to Nature Connection50:48 – Engaging Adolescents in Nature Connection55:54 – Reflections and Future Directions

What happens when we treat our rivers like sewers, ignore regulation, and allow polluters to profit from destruction? In this milestone 40th episode of The Wilder Podcast, we sit down with James Wallace, CEO of River Action, for one of our most eye-opening conversations yet. Beyond the outrage, this conversation is a masterclass in what needs to change, how it can change, and what each of us can do to be part of the solution.Your HostsTom Constable: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-constable/Chloe Constable: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chloe-constable-24155821b/Website: https://www.grangeproject.co.ukPodcast Journey Page: https://www.grangeproject.co.uk/wilder-podcastGrange Project Contact & Social MediaEmail: hello@grangeproject.co.ukInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/grange.project/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/grangeprojectYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@GrangeProjectLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-constable/Fencing Company Tom Mentioned: https://www.wilcrickgroup.co.uk/Our Guest: James Wallace is the CEO of River Action, an environmental NGO committed to ending river pollution in the UK. A former archaeologist, campaigner, and founder of multiple environmental organisations, James has worked on conservation projects from the UK to Madagascar, and now leads legal and policy challenges to clean up Britain’s rivers.🔗 Visit River Action UK 🌊 Explore the River Rescue Kit 📱 Follow @riveractionuk on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, LinkedIn and XEpisode Timestamps:[00:00] Introduction and updates from the Grange Project, including the new market garden, the first school visit to the project and freedom for the pigs.[09:42] Meet James Wallace – CEO of River Action and hear his journey from chalk stream childhood to river campaigner[13:42] What’s the problem with our rivers? A breakdown of pollutants[17:46] What healthy rivers could mean for wildlife, communities and the economy[23:24] Why haven’t we fixed this already? A deep dive into regulation and politics[27:35] What can individuals and communities do to make a difference?[34:33] What is the River Rescue Kit and how will it help local campaigners?[38:00] Do we need new laws or better enforcement of existing ones?[42:42] Political will, lobbying pressure, and the role of growth narratives[46:00] Why River Action is pursuing new legal challenges in 2025[49:00] Reflections on the river as a public good—and why this moment matters[53:20] Closing reflections from Tom & Chloe⭐️ Enjoyed the Episode?Tap Follow or Subscribe so you never miss a future conversationLeave a 5-star review to help others discover the showShare this episode with a friend or campaign groupScreenshot your favourite moment and tag us on Instagram!Mentioned in this episode:Visit & Stay at the Grange ProjectWould you like to escape the trappings of the modern world and wake-up in the morning to one of the best views in South Wales, where only the birds are noisy? We have two beautiful and sustainably built ‘tiny homes’, carefully located in secluded locations across our 80 acre rewilding project.Visit Grange Project

In this episode we speak with the inspirational Jane Davidson, the former government minister who proposed the groundbreaking Wellbeing of Future Generations Act. We discuss how the Act came to be, the influence the legislation has had and why Wales is now being watched by countries around the world looking to follow its lead.Your Hosts:Tom Constable: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-constable/Chloe Constable: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chloe-constable-24155821b/Website: https://www.grangeproject.co.ukPodcast Journey Page: https://www.grangeproject.co.uk/wilder-podcast**Community Day Sign-up** https://www.grangeproject.co.uk/volunteers-dayThrivalism Episode: https://www.grangeproject.co.uk/wilder-podcast/ep-038-thrivalism-with-tony-juniper-cbeGrange Project Contact & Social Media:Email: hello@grangeproject.co.ukInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/grange.project/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/grangeprojectYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@GrangeProjectLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-constable/Our Guest: Jane Davidson is an environmentalist, author and international speaker. From 2000 - 2011, Jane was Minister for Education, then Minister for Environment and Sustainability in the Welsh Government, where she proposed legislation to make sustainability the central organising principle; the Wellbeing of Future Generations Act came into law in 2015. She introduced the first plastic bag charge in the UK, and her recycling regulations took Wales to third best in the world.  She created a Climate Change Commission for Wales, the post of Sustainable Futures Commissioner, and the Wales Coast Path.  Website: https://janedavidson.wales/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jane-davidson-24070337/Listen out for:[00:00:00] Tom and Chloe update on the project, including an exciting update about the opening of the Grange Hub.[00:04:17] Jane introduces herself and the rich influences from her background.[00:13:23] We hear about the development of the Wellbeing of Future Generations Act, what it contains and what it means.[00:21:02] Chloe asks about how the act was received at a government level.[00:26:18] Tom questions Jane about examples of policy shifts associated with the act and she shares various examples, for example: universal basic income for care leavers, cessation of major road build projects in Wales and the 20mph speed limit in urban areas.[00:33:30] Jane tells us about how the act gives the government permission to think differently.[00:35:27] Tom asks Jane about the role of communication to all stakeholders around the act and we talk about the role of reframing and humour in this.[00:44:09] We discuss the international response to the wellbeing act.[00:47:54] Tom and Chloe reflect on the interview.Mentioned in this episode:Visit & Stay at the Grange ProjectWould you like to escape the trappings of the modern world and wake-up in the morning to one of the best views in South Wales, where only the birds are noisy? We have two beautiful and sustainably built ‘tiny homes’, carefully located in secluded locations across our 80 acre rewilding project.Visit Grange Project

Tony Juniper, Chair of Natural England, shares with us a powerful thesis: we cannot fight the climate and ecological crisis without first addressing social inequality. Not content with just highlighting these connections, Tony describes the system change necessary to move us all forward; the new political philosophy of Thrivalism. Your HostsTom Constable: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-constable/Chloe Constable: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chloe-constable-24155821b/Website: https://www.grangeproject.co.ukPodcast Journey Page: https://www.grangeproject.co.uk/wilder-podcastGrange Project Contact & Social Media:Email: hello@grangeproject.co.ukInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/grange.project/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/grangeprojectYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@GrangeProjectLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-constable/Our Guests: Tony’s career is devoted to Nature recovery, environmental protection and sustainable development. Working across many activities, including research, campaigning, policy and writing. Involvement with many organisations including Friends of the Earth, Wildlife Trusts, WWF, HRH The Prince of Wales’s International Sustainability Unit, CISL Cambridge and Birdlife International. In depth activity on climate change, Nature conservation, circular economy and more. Now the Chair at Natural England.Website: https://tonyjuniper.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tony-juniper-cbe-a2763b31/?originalSubdomain=ukNew book "Just Earth": https://amzn.eu/d/8cwIaHnListen out for:[00:00:00] Tom provides a brief overview of the Grange Project and they discuss their latest addition: The Market Garden.[00:08:50] Tony introduces himself and his thesis that the environmental crisis cannot be addressed without first considering social inequality. [00:11:40] We discuss examples of the connection between these two concepts including the disproportionate use of resources, the perceived value of limitless economic growth and the differing impacts of environmental decline. [00:17:07] Tom asks about how the book has been received.[00:19:05] Chloe reflects on how cost of living is often given as a justification for environmental inaction, particularly with regards to cheap food, water and energy bills.[00:23:43] We talk about how we need to respond to these challenges and the concept of Thrivalism.[00:29:07] Chloe raises the point about how it’s in everyone’s interests to work towards a fairer society due to the risks of both environmental and societal collapse. [00:30:52] We discuss the benefits of more equal societies and the influences on our political systems.[00:38:08] Chloe asks about the definition of wealth and the philosophy of indigenous wisdom.[00:41:32] Tom asks about Tony’s hopes for Thrivalism.[00:44:40] Tom and Chloe reflect on the interview.Mentioned in this episode:Visit & Stay at the Grange ProjectWould you like to escape the trappings of the modern world and wake-up in the morning to one of the best views in South Wales, where only the birds are noisy? We have two beautiful and sustainably built ‘tiny homes’, carefully located in secluded locations across our 80 acre rewilding project.Visit Grange Project

In this joyful episode to celebrate World Rewilding Day, we take a big picture view as Alister addresses key questions such as ‘what does a rewilded world look like’, ‘how do we get there’ and ‘what are the benefits?’ Amongst a range of topics, we discuss climate stabilisation, eco distress and environmental education, as well as the power of success stories in bringing the necessary energy to ‘take rewilding mainstream’.Your Hosts:Tom Constable: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-constable/Chloe Constable: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chloe-constable-24155821b/Website: https://www.grangeproject.co.ukPodcast Journey Page: https://www.grangeproject.co.uk/wilder-podcastGrange Project Contact & Social Media:Email: hello@grangeproject.co.ukInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/grange.project/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/grangeprojectYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@GrangeProjectLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-constable/Our Guests: Alister has been a lifelong environmentalist since the eradication by silage making of the Corncrake where he grew up in the north west of Ireland. The thread of Alister’s career has been to learn how to make big, positive change happen. With a doctorate from the Science Policy Research Unit, University of Sussex, Alister spent 15 years at the interface between science and policy. He has helped to build multiple movements and has supported many catalytic leaders as a trained coach and facilitator. A father of two and widower, Alister loves to get out in nature and the great outdoors. Alister is an Honorary Professor at University College London.Website: https://globalrewilding.earth/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dralisterscott/?originalSubdomain=ukListen out for:[00:00:00] Chloe and Tom provide a brief overview of the Grange Project and introduce the episode.[00:03:20] Alister introduces himself and the global rewilding alliance.[00:11:32] We talk about the stages of the rewilding movement: invention, experimentation, preparing for global scaling, scaling and mainstreaming. [00:19:54] Alister describes what a rewilded world at scale would look like, including changes at an urban scale and to people’s everyday lives.[00:28:36] We question Alister about the connections between rewilding, climate stabilisation and eco distress.[00:35:01] We talk about the power of the concept of rewilding and Tom asks Alister about the steps required to achieve the vision of mainstream rewilding.[00:41:26] Tom questions Alister about one of the oft cited challenges facing rewilding at scale, that of food security.[00:47:19] Chloe asks Alister how we create effective stories outside of the environmental movement.[00:50:55] We discuss the role of education in the rewilding movement.[00:58:40] Tom and Chloe reflect on the interview.Mentioned in this episode:Visit & Stay at the Grange ProjectWould you like to escape the trappings of the modern world and wake-up in the morning to one of the best views in South Wales, where only the birds are noisy? We have two beautiful and sustainably built ‘tiny homes’, carefully located in secluded locations across our 80 acre rewilding project.Visit Grange Project

Join us round the farmhouse kitchen as we chat with Emily and Alex, the co-founders of Grazing Management. Over a cup of tea, and some excellent fruit cake, we discuss what conservation grazing is, why it’s so important for biodiversity and how they are managing to make it into a successful business. Your Hosts:Tom Constable: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-constable/Chloe Constable: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chloe-constable-24155821b/Website: https://www.grangeproject.co.ukPodcast Journey Page: https://www.grangeproject.co.uk/wilder-podcastGrange Project Contact & Social Media:Email: hello@grangeproject.co.ukInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/grange.project/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/grangeprojectYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@GrangeProjectLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-constable/Our Guests: Grazing Management was set up by Alex and Emily Crawley in 2018. What started as an award-winning idea has since expanded into a business with an ever-growing flock and herd. They have built significant experience of working on a wide range of sites and still get excited about the emergence of wildflowers from areas which were once deserts of bracken. They were proud winners in their category at the prestigious British Farming Awards in 2023. Website: https://grazingmanagement.co.uk//LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexander-crawley-78a3a014a/ & https://www.linkedin.com/in/emily-crawley-9361386a/Listen out for:[00:00:00] Chloe and Tom update on the Grange Project, including their reflections on the largest community day yet.[00:06:38] Emily and Alex introduce themselves, their backgrounds and the origins of Grazing Management.  [00:15:00] We talk about the role of large herbivores in enhancing biodiversity.[00:22:01] Alex explains about the benefits of diversity for the cattle in kind, with the reduction in the use of medication.[00:24:46] Emily talks about the day to day operations of Grazing Management and the journey to this point. [00:29:44] We hear about the no fence collar and the possibilities this provides.[00:35:24] Alex describes the differing impacts of hay cutting and mob grazing versus conservation grazing.[00:40:37] Tom asks about the relationship of this system to methane and carbon.[00:44:27] We finish by discussing the varied income streams associated with Grazing Management.[00:46:34] Tom and Chloe reflect on the interview.Mentioned in this episode:Visit & Stay at the Grange ProjectWould you like to escape the trappings of the modern world and wake-up in the morning to one of the best views in South Wales, where only the birds are noisy? We have two beautiful and sustainably built ‘tiny homes’, carefully located in secluded locations across our 80 acre rewilding project.Visit Grange Project

What does it take to turn a family passion into a powerful force for nature? In this episode of two halves, we start with an update about The Grange Project, including the last 6 months of physical interventions, our evolving business structure, and the latest developments at The Grange Distillery and Studio. We then move into conversation with Helen Neave, co-founder of Make it Wild, where we discuss their purpose of protecting nature across 500 acres in North Yorkshire, using carbon-offsetting and corporate partnerships to create a sustainable financial model.Your Hosts:Tom Constable: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-constable/Chloe Constable: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chloe-constable-24155821b/Helpful Links:Website: https://www.grangeproject.co.ukPodcast Journey Page: https://www.grangeproject.co.uk/wilder-podcastGrange Distillery: https://grangedistillery.com/Grange Project Contact & Social Media:Email: hello@grangeproject.co.ukInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/grange.project/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/grangeprojectYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@GrangeProjectLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-constable/Our Guest: Helen Neave, Make it Wild:Helen is a retired surgeon on a mission to change the planet. Alongside her husband, Christopher Neave, they turned their family passion for nature into Make it Wild. With nature reserves across North Yorkshire, they have planted over 80,000 trees, dug ponds, restored wildflower hay meadows, protected ancient woodland and created many different habitats across over 500 acres. Working in partnerships with businesses, whether through carbon-offsetting, team conservation days or natural mindfulness walks, their purpose is to protect nature.Website: https://www.makeitwild.co.uk/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/helen-neave-42200938/Listen out for:[00:00:00] Chloe and Tom describe the structure of the episode, including a brief introduction to our guest, Helen from Make it Wild, and a brief summary of the landscape of the Grange Project.[00:04:06] Chloe leads an update in numbers about the physical interventions that have occurred across the project since September 2024; including trees, brash piles, yellow rattle, the tiny forest and our market garden.  [00:10:35] Tom moves into a conversation about the structure of the Grange Project and the decision to move from a Community Interest Company into a Limited Company and Charity.[00:12:51] Finally, we update on the other commercial updates across the project: The Grange Distillery and the Grange Studio.[00:15:47] Helen introduces herself and the mission and landscape of Make it Wild.[00:22:57] Tom asks about the team at Make it Wild, including the conservation grazing team.[00:28:37] We hear about the business model that enables Make it Wild to carry on helping nature.[00:34:24] Chloe asks about carbon offsetting and Helen shares the basics of how this operates. [00:37:25] We discuss some of the ethical dilemmas of carbon offsetting, including the risk of not reducing emissions at source, focusing on carbon without considering the impact on nature or not maintaining trees for the long term.[00:48:00] Helen tells us about their land owner partners and the opportunities of a franchise model.[00:50:52] Tom and Chloe reflect on the interview, including their decision not to pursue carbon credits.Mentioned in this episode:Visit & Stay at the Grange ProjectWould you like to escape the trappings of the modern world and wake-up in the morning to one of the best views in South Wales, where only the birds are noisy? We have two beautiful and sustainably built ‘tiny homes’, carefully located in secluded locations across our 80 acre rewilding project.Visit Grange Project

Craftsman builder Simon Whitfield, founder of The Tiny Home Company, shares insights on off-grid living and the tiny home lifestyle. He delves into the essential ingredients for self-built homes, emphasizing sustainability and the use of reclaimed materials. Simon highlights the benefits of minimalist living, including personal fulfillment and environmental connection. The conversation also explores conscious living, the importance of saying 'no' to consumerism, and the joy of integrating community into sustainable lifestyles.

Matt Swarbrick, a farmer in North West Wales, shares with us the journey of Henbant. Using the principles of holistic decision making and agriwilding, they’ve created a thriving ecosystem that enables them to produce delicious nutrient dense food and magical spaces for both people and nature. Enjoy Matt’s warmth and passion as he paints a picture of the beautiful world they are creating. Your Hosts:Tom Constable: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-constable/Chloe Constable: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chloe-constable-24155821b/Website: https://www.grangeproject.co.ukPodcast Journey Page: https://www.grangeproject.co.uk/wilder-podcastGrange Project Contact & Social Media:Email: hello@grangeproject.co.ukInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/grange.project/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/grangeprojectYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@GrangeProjectLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-constable/Our Guest: Matt Swarbrick, HenbantMatt Swarbrick is a permaculture inspired farmer at Henbant in North Wales. An ecologist and filmmaker by background he and his family and the Henbant team are on a mission to prove that with a small farm you can produce good food, financial profit, build soil and biodiversity, build a community and enjoy it all at the same time. Henbant has an 80 share CSA scheme and produces enough eggs, beef and veg for 80 local families from amongst a diversity of silvopasture systems. They are now working with the Wildlife trust to explore the space between ecologically intensive farming and maximum biodiversity enhancement; agri-wilding Henbant’s watershed. Henbant runs a range of courses in and is one of Europe’s leading models of small scale regenerative agroecology.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-swarbrick-322503289/?originalSubdomain=ukWebsite: https://www.henbant.org/Listen out for:[00:00:00] Tom and Chloe update on the project, focused on food production focused developments.[00:06:48] Matt introduces himself and his background.[00:12:30] Matt describes their journey to Henbant and the layout of the farm. [00:17:25] We discuss their approach; holistic decision making and the concept of agriwilding.[00:24:33] Tom and Chloe question Matt about the food Henbant is producing including the importance of agroforestry.[00:30:11] We discuss risk, entrepreneurship and the value of diversification.[00:35:58] Chloe asks about how people are invited to join the system at Henbant.[00:39:16] Matt tells us about the courses that are run from Henbant.[00:43:42] We question Matt about the future vision for Henbant.[00:47:40] Chloe and Tom reflect on the interview and what resonated most for them.Mentioned in this episode:Visit & Stay at the Grange ProjectWould you like to escape the trappings of the modern world and wake-up in the morning to one of the best views in South Wales, where only the birds are noisy? We have two beautiful and sustainably built ‘tiny homes’, carefully located in secluded locations across our 80 acre rewilding project.Visit Grange Project

How do you make a nation regenerative? What does it take to transform the Wye and Usk catchments? Jyothi Banerjee and North Star Transition are asking some of the most complex questions of our time, with three clear objectives: to propose a plan which is transformative, locally owned and investable. This is a fascinating conversation about systems change from an incredibly articulate communicator. Your Hosts:Tom Constable: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-constable/Chloe Constable: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chloe-constable-24155821b/Grange Project Contact & Social Media:Email: hello@grangeproject.co.ukInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/grange.project/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/grangeprojectYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@GrangeProjectLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-constable/Our Guest: Jyoti Banerjee, Co-Founder and CEO of North Star TransitionJyoti was part of the team that created the Integrated Reporting movement globally. He has been an impact investor for two decades and used to be an entrepreneur in the tech sector. He taught technology entrepreneurship at Said Business School, University of Oxford.  He grew up in New Delhi and lives in London.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jyoti-banerjee/?originalSubdomain=ukWebsite: https://www.northstartransition.org/Helpful Links:Website: https://www.grangeproject.co.ukPodcast Journey Page: https://www.grangeproject.co.uk/wilder-podcastCitizen Zoo Conference Details: https://www.citizenzoo.org/https://sites.google.com/citizenzoo.org/2025rewildingconferenceListen out for:[00:00:00] Tom and Chloe update on the project, including our new ‘podcast journeys’ (find them on the Grange Project podcast webpage), a new floor for the Wilder Hub and the Citizen Zoo Conference: Rewilding Our Future.[00:05:20] Jyoti introduces himself and the origin of North Star Transition.[00:10:55] We hear about the approach of North Star Transition and their ambition to make Wales a regenerative nation.[00:17:20] Jyoti sets the context for the Wye Usk Transition Lab by describing why this landscape is in crisis.  [00:21:30] Tom asks why the landscape is still deteriorating despite over 20 years of understanding and Jyoti describes the risk of the ‘silver bullet’ and the importance of asking the right question.[00:25:53] We discuss the role of the government in tackling these challenges and the importance of a credible reimagining. [00:29:19] Chloe asks Jyoti about what happens when stakeholders come together within the Wye-Usk Transition Lab and the role of behavioural science in this.[00:37:20] Jyoti defines the three objectives of the Wye Usk Transition Lab: transformational, locally owned and investable. We explore the notion of ‘investable’ in more depth.[00:45:20] Chloe questions Jyoti about how far they are away from proposing a plan that is credible for transformation, and how this is communicated. [00:49:10] Tom and Jyoti discuss whether they have the ‘right’ stakeholders round the table.[00:54:28] Chloe and Tom reflect on the interview and what resonated most for them.Mentioned in this episode:Visit & Stay at the Grange ProjectWould you like to escape the trappings of the modern world and wake-up in the morning to one of the best views in South Wales, where only the birds are noisy? We have two beautiful and sustainably built ‘tiny homes’, carefully located in secluded locations across our 80 acre rewilding project.Visit Grange Project