
Leaders with Joe Cass
Welcome to Leaders, a podcast featuring long-form conversations with senior investors, CEOs, and entrepreneurs on topics that matter most to the investment community. In each episode, Joe Cass, Senior Director at S&P Global Ratings, explores market trends, investment outlooks, and personal stories from industry trailblazers. Listen now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, Amazon Music, and Deezer. This podcast series was formerly known as Fixed Income in 15.
Latest episodes

Aug 25, 2020 • 18min
Ep9: COVID market experiences with DoubleLine Deputy CIO
“It was one of the worst markets we’ve ever seen” - Deputy CIO at DoubleLine Jeffrey Sherman joined Joe Cass and Sudeep Kesh on Fixed Income in 15 to discuss Central Bank actions, Jeffrey's experience working as number 2 to Jeffery Gundlach and the Hollywood movie ‘Moneyball’.

Jul 15, 2020 • 8min
Ep8: Leadership special with Chairman of Goldman Sachs Asset Management
In a special Leadership Edition of Fixed Income in 15, Joe Cass is joined by President of S&P Global Ratings John Berisford and Chairman of Goldman Sachs Asset Management Sheila Patel. Discussion turned to the future of sustainable finance post-crisis, how John, Sheila and their teams are adapting to working from home and what ‘the future of work’ could look like at both institutions.

Jul 15, 2020 • 8min
Ep7: Post-crisis recovery with Blackrock and LGIM CIO
From his back garden, Joe posed questions to Sonja Laud (Chief Investment Officer, Legal & General Investment Management), Scott Thiel (Chief Fixed Income Strategist, Blackrock) and our Global Chief Economist Paul Gruenwald. Discussion includes the foremost investor challenges and concerns, the role of ESG post-crisis and what a potential recovery could look like.

Jul 15, 2020 • 7min
Ep6: COVID’s impact on credit markets with UBS and State Street
In a lockdown special, this month Joe asked his guests, Paul Donovan (Chief Economist, UBS) Michael Arone (Chief Investment Strategist, State Street Global Advisors) and our Global Head of Research Alexandra Dimitrijevic, to provide their views on the credit ramifications and economic fallout of the #COVID19 pandemic.

Feb 19, 2020 • 12min
Ep5: ‘Zombie companies’ & index investing with Vanguard
Joe Cass hosted Global Head of Fixed Income Indexing at Vanguard, Paul Jakubowski, and S&P Global Ratings Head of Digital Research Strategy Gareth Williams on the latest episode of Fixed Income in 15. Discussion focussed on the challenges and opportunities for Vanguard in 2020, the dangers of ‘zombie companies’ and the rising popularity of index investing. Conversation turned to the importance of hiring good people, Paul’s gruelling morning workout routine and Gareth’s home music studio.

Jan 16, 2020 • 20min
Ep4: Work-life balance and Green QE with HSBC CIO
The latest episode of the Fixed Income in 15 podcast featured Xavier Baraton, Global CIO of Fixed Income at HSBC Global Asset Management and S&P Global Ratings Chief Economist – EMEA, Sylvain Broyer. Joe Cass served up questions on company culture, Infinity QE, Green QE and the challenges of maintaining a healthy work-life balance. Conversation turned to the future of asset management and how, as a part-time lecturer in Economics in Paris, Sylvain has seen the demographics and attitude of his students change over the past decade.

Dec 4, 2019 • 16min
Ep3: Monetary policy levers, ski-ing and China with State Street CIO
Joe Cass hosted Richard Lacaille, Global CIO of State Street Global Advisors, and S&P Global Ratings Head of Credit Ratings, Methodologies and Research Yann Le Pallec on the latest episode of Fixed Income in 15. Top of mind was global monetary policy levers, how State Street factor ESG into their investment process and S&P Global’s acquisition of the ESG Ratings Business from RobecoSAM. Discussion moved to credit ratings in China, skiing destination recommendations and Rick’s experience of becoming Global CIO at State Street in the midst of the 2008 financial crisis.

Nov 13, 2019 • 19min
Ep2: The dreaded inverted yield curve with JP Morgan CIO
Joe Cass hosted Iain Stealey, International CIO of JP Morgan Asset Management and S&P Global’s Chief Economist Paul Gruenwald on the Fixed Income in 15 podcast. Conversation turned to investors expectation of the global bonds market in 2020 and indicators traditionally used to forecast a potential recession. Discussion moved on to England’s heart-breaking loss in the Rugby World Cup final and the most impressive person Paul met during his 16 year tenure at the IMF.

Oct 3, 2019 • 19min
Ep1: QE Infinity, financial blogging & Twitter scrapes with M&G
Joe Cass hosted the first ‘Fixed Income in 15’ podcast, a discussion on global bond market trends from the investors perspective alongside M&G Investments Global Head of Fixed Interest Jim Leaviss and S&P Global Ratings Alexandra Dimitrijevic. This episode featured debate on the ECB’s ‘QE Infinity’, the rise of ESG and S&P Global’s #ChangePays campaign.