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We kick off with an intro-music meltdown (ft. cursed AI jingle) before diving into Taylor Swift album week—no leaks, only joy. Then Selena Gomez & Benny Blanco’s whimsical wedding, the viral Taylor “toast” rumor, and Super Bowl halftime buzz. Sister Wives returns with Cody & Robyn’s monogamy vows and chaos, followed by the shock split of Nicole Kidman & Keith Urban, Reese’s spot-on impression, and our call to rename the fandom (RIP Papa Apostles 😅).00:00 — ⏰ Intro Music Meltdown: our theme song fails + AI jingle disaster05:00 — 🎧 Taylor Swift Album Week: why we’re banning leaks and spoilers08:00 — 🛋️ Therapy & Scheduling: keeping sane during launch week12:00 — 💍 Selena Gomez & Benny Blanco’s Wedding: details on the ceremony + guests16:30 — 🥂 Taylor Swift’s Speech at the Wedding: breaking down the viral “toast” rumor22:30 — ☂️ Selena’s Wedding Guests: umbrellas, privacy rules, and Ralph Lauren looks26:00 — 🎸 Ed Sheeran at the Wedding: the performance and reactions28:00 — 🏟️ Super Bowl Halftime Rumors: who’s in, who turned it down, and why it matters39:00 — 🐷 Sister Wives Season 20: Cody’s “I’m a guy” comment and family pushback45:00 — 💍 Cody & Robyn’s Monogamy Dinner: “You and me, baby—monogamy” moment52:00 — 💔 Nicole Kidman & Keith Urban Separation: what we know so far56:30 — 🪨 Celebrity Couple Rankings: rethinking our “Mount Rushmore of Monogamy”1:01:00 — 🎭 Reese Witherspoon Imitates Nicole Kidman: lighthearted moment + Nicole’s future1:02:30 — 👋 Closing Thoughts: retiring “Papa Apostles” and picking a new fandom nameClean Simple Eats: 20% off at CleanSimpleEats.com/POPAPOLOGISTS20 EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% offHero Bread: Go to hero.co and use code POP at checkout for 10% off.Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance.Quince: Go to Quince.com/APOLOGIST for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

We go long on two very different “nepo baby” journeys: Zoë Kravitz—from Topanga Canyon rules to rock-star Miami, acting breakthroughs (Big Little Lies, The Batman), directing Blink Twice, YSL muse status, and that headline-friendly dating history—then pivot to Gracie Abrams—JJ’s daughter with a whisper-cutting pen, from SoundCloud to opening ERAS, writing “Us” with Taylor, and a moody-artist friend web that keeps the lore lore-ing. Expect fashion, friendship matrices, messy kitchens, edible confessions, and a surprisingly useful fire-safety tangent. Are they “nepo”? Sure. But the talent shows up on mic and on screen.Chapter Timestamps00:00 — 🎙️ Cold open + why Zoë & Gracie now02:00 — 🧬 Zoë origin: Lenny, Lisa, Roxy Roker (icon!) #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive07:00 — 🌲 Topanga vs. 🐍 Rockstar Miami: two childhoods collide12:00 — ⚠️ Eating disorder years + New York move, acting school15:00 — 🎬 Indie starts → X-Men, Divergent17:30 — 🌊 Big Little Lies breakout (we relive the theme song moment)19:10 — 🦇 The Batman = cultural cementing21:00 — 🎥 Director era: Blink Twice (née Pussy Island)24:00 — 💄 YSL muse energy + “getting ready” vibe check26:00 — 🫶 Inner circle: Taylor, Rihanna, Miley (and the snake story)29:00 — 💘 Dating timeline speed-run (Penn, Drake, Fassbender, etc.)37:00 — 💍 Paris wedding vibes → divorce → Channing arc (engaged ’23, split ’24) #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive44:00 — 🗞️ Mini “scandals”: Oscars caption, the resurfaced Jaden quote49:00 — 📣 Ad Break (Macy’s Fall Guide) #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive52:00 — 🎼 Gracie origin: the journaler with a piano, LA → Barnard56:30 — 😬 First shows + nerves, why the songs land60:00 — 🎧 “I Miss You, I’m Sorry” becomes a thing63:00 — 🫶 Sour tour → ERAS opener, Taylor collab “Us”68:00 — 🔥 Fire blanket PSA (lol but actually helpful)72:00 — 🕸️ The friend/love web: Olivia, Phoebe, Paul Mescal, etc. #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive85:00 — 🏁 Wrap + who we should deep-dive nextBooking.com: Book today on the site or in the app!Clean Safe Products: Go to Cleansafeproducts.com/POP for $15 off the world’s easiest soft surface cleaning solution.Cozy Earth Direct: Head to cozyearth.com and use our code POP for 40% off!Macy’s: Shop at macys.com or in stores now!Quince: Go to Quince.com/apologist for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.Wayfair: Wayfair.com Wayfair. Every style. Every home.Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

🎙️ Episode SummarySisters catch-up (👗 wardrobe wars + ✈️ travel dread), Meta’s new auto-dubbing weirdness 🤯, Meghan’s jam saga 🍓, Ireland Baldwin’s love letter to Hilaria ❤️, Pamela + Liam—PR or passion? 👀, Kyle & Mauricio’s family vibes at Alexia’s wedding 💍, Kendall & Gigi’s Vogue cowgirl cover 🐎👒, Kate’s rapid un-blonding 💇‍♀️, Taylor’s understated ring price 💍💸, the wild Turkey height-reduction surgery trend 🦵, and a deep dive on The Cut’s “Forever 35 Face” facelift wave 🧖‍♀️.⏱️ Chapter Timestamps00:00 — Plunging necklines 👗, sister outfit politics, and setting the vibe03:30 — Long-haul Hawaii flight fear 🌺: meds, meals, and economy survival09:30 — Meta auto-dubbing our reels 🎥: mouths match, voices cloned12:15 — Meghan’s jam: the refund that arrived… open 😳16:00 — Ireland Baldwin’s glowing ode to Hilaria ❤️21:00 — Pamela Anderson & Liam Neeson: PR stunt or real fling? 🔥24:30 — WWHL night out + Maude Apatow memory lane 🍸28:00 — Kyle & Mauricio walk Alexia down the aisle 💍👨‍👩‍👧32:00 — Vogue cover: Kendall & Gigi’s ranch chic 🌾 vs. “too cool” debate41:00 — Kate Middleton un-blondes back to brunette 💇‍♀️45:30 — Taylor’s vintage-style ring 💍: why the $250k estimate makes sense48:00 — Turkey’s height-reduction surgeries 🦵😬53:00 — The Cut’s “Forever 35 Face”: facelifts at 35?! 🧖‍♀️Clean Simple Eats: 20% off at CleanSimpleEats.com/POPAPOLOGISTS20Macy's: Shop at macys.com or in stores now.EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% offBooking.com: Book today on the site or in the app.Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance.Nature’s Sunshine: Go to naturessunshine.com and use the code POP at checkout for 20% off.Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Therapy can wait—pop culture can’t. Lauren and Chanler unpack With Love, Megan (why José Andrés is the missing co-host), the Pamela Anderson × Liam Neeson “PR bake-off,” why couple-prank TikToks feel like Dante’s 9th circle, a viral aesthetician chemical-peel horror story, Brittany Mahomes’ 30th with Taylor in Nashville vs. Selena’s Cabo bachelorette, and the latest Kris Jenner/Corey Gamble breakup rumblings. Tech gremlins struck mid-record…so we’re unlocking our joyous Taylor Swift × Travis Kelce engagement special (timeline, ring, and Ed Kelsey revelations). Vote in our Spotify poll for next deep dive!Chapter Timestamps00:00 — Therapist on hold; Lauren’s solo PR weekend & With Love, Megan ☕️02:30 — Why the show needs a high-energy foil (enter José Andrés) ✨05:00 — Pamela × Liam: PR stunt…or PR about a PR stunt? 🎬14:00 — TikTok “I pranked my husband” couples = actual nightmare 📱19:30 — The Beverly Hills chemical-peel disaster & safety PSA 🧪24:10 — Brittany’s 30th: Taylor in Nashville vs. Selena’s Cabo trip 🎉27:10 — Kris & Corey rumor mill, NDAs, and “payday” threats 💼34:00 — Tech issues → unlocked: Taylor & Travis engagement special 💍35:30 — Backyard proposal, timeline, and first reactions 🥂38:00 — Chandler sees the engagement news mid–Q&A, Lauren in therapy 📱41:00 — Group chat chaos: only two on FaceTime at first 🫠43:30 — Champagne at 10 a.m.; heteronormative jokes & name-change debate 🍾47:00 — Proposal vibe: private, cozy, not performative 🌳50:00 — Engagement timeline decoded: why now ⏳52:30 — Ed Kelsey’s viral quote: “She was getting antsy” 🗣️55:00 — Reading the photos: backyard setting, candid feel 📸58:00 — Headphone-crease Easter egg & Swiftie sleuthing 🔍1:01:00 — Why Travis works: antidote to Taylor’s brooding-artist exes ❤️1:04:00 — The ring: vintage aesthetic, Swift-coded style 💎1:08:00 — Family lore: Swift & Kelsey group chat reactions 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦1:11:00 — Wrapping the joy: Taylor’s new “domestic, happy” era 🌟1:12:00 — Proposal vibes revisited: cozy backyard details 🌳1:15:00 — Timing theories: career windows, 2-year milestone, tour break ⏰1:18:00 — Ed Kelsey quote unpacked: Swiftie reactions 🗣️1:22:00 — Close-reading leaked pics: candid vibes & headphone crease 📸1:26:00 — Why Travis balances Taylor’s past loves ❤️1:30:00 — Ring deep dive: cut, carat, vintage inspiration 💍1:34:00 — Family group chat lore & reactions 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦1:38:00 — Wrapping with joy: Taylor’s fairytale moment 🌟1:41:00 — Engagement euphoria cool-down: what this means for her next era ✨1:47:00 — Back to With Love, Meghan: struggle to fill content, “thank God for Taylor’s engagement” 🥂1:48:00 — Brutal timing: teaser same day as New Heights pod + engagement on premiere 📺💔1:49:00 — Not “Meghan-coded,” just bad luck; no Harry, only crew at finale 🎥1:49:30 — Meghan × cameraman (glasses guy) = more chemistry than guests 😂👓1:50:00 — Rosewater spray = rare fun sparkle ✨🌹 → sign-off: “Love you guys, see you Wednesday!”Booking.com. Booking.YEAH!Macy’s: Shop now at macys.com or in stores now!Progressive: Try the Auto Quote Explorer at progressive.comBetterHelp: This is an advertisement from Better Help. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTSCozy Earth: Visit CozyEarth.com for 40% off with code POPHero Bread: 10% off using code POP at hero.coQuince: Go to Quince.com/apologist for 365-day returns, plus free shipping on your order!Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Gwyneth wipes her IG avatar and drops a cinematic “new chapter” reel—memoir incoming? We connect the dots, then dive into that Ben Affleck discourse (technically excellent… and reportedly livid). Next up: Burning Man déjà-dust, Zoë Kravitz’s very public summer (Harry Styles, Austin Butler), and the legendary “snake in Taylor’s bathroom” story. Serena Williams opens up about GLP-1s and a Ro partnership, we unpack the optics, and we parse those Wayfarer/Justin Baldoni court docs everyone’s calling a “smear campaign” against Blake Lively. Finally, RHOSLC’s chaotic trailer and a very cute 30th birthday recap. Buckle in. 00:00 Intro & studio glow-up + brunette banter 💡💇‍♀️04:00 Burning Man dust-storm PTSD & “art cars are… floats?” 🌪️🚐15:00 Gwyneth’s IG wipe + collage reel: is it a book? 📖✨19:00 Ben Affleck “livid” over bedroom chatter (Amy Odell tie-in) 😳☕️25:00 Zoë x Harry (and Austin), hotness rankings, boyish vs. broad 🌶️💋32:00 Taylor Swift snake story: bathroom demolition for a reptile 🐍🛁36:00 Serena Williams on GLP-1s + Ro partnership: destigmatize or #ad? 💉🏅39:00 Chandler turns 30: art, rings, and three massive bouquets 🎂🎁43:00 Wayfarer/“smear” headlines vs. what the docs actually say ⚖️📄47:00 RHOSLC trailer chaos: powdered wigs & pointed reads 🥶🍷50:00 Meghan Markle chatter: rebrands, shade, and Sussex fatigue 👑📰See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A corporate scandal erupts as a Food52 executive embezzles funds for luxury indulgences. Meghan Markle's Netflix project faces scrutiny juxtaposed with Taylor Swift's latest release. The awkwardness of celebrity interviews takes center stage, particularly with Margaret Qualley's comments on Taylor and Jack. K-Fed's tell-all stirs the pot, while a humorous discussion tackles celebrity age gaps, especially Leo's youthful comments. Meanwhile, the TikTok couple Pooky and Jet's extravagant lifestyle raises questions about influence on young audiences.

Taylor Swift's new album is causing a frenzy with exciting Easter eggs and speculation about sound and themes. Dive into the playful banter around her pop culture impact and the intriguing details of Travis Kelce's GQ profile. The hosts dissect the relationship dynamics between Swift and Kelce while exploring the viral TikTok narrative that took the internet by storm. A dash of celebrity vow renewal gossip adds to the fun, making for a lively discussion filled with humor and insights into the world of music and relationships.

Join journalist and author Amy Odell as she delves into the enigmatic life of Gwyneth Paltrow, exploring her complex persona shaped by privilege, fame, and public scrutiny. They discuss Gwyneth's dramatic Oscar win, the controversies surrounding her Goop brand, and the societal pressures on women in Hollywood. Odell shares insights from her extensive interviews for 'Gwyneth, the Biography', revealing the duality of Gwyneth's attractive facade and the challenges she faces behind the scenes.

Lauren’s back from Italy and just in time — because Travis dropped a 13-photo grid hard launching Taylor that basically broke the internet. Chanler catches her up on every sparkly-filtered slide. The girls question if this could mean wedding bells? And the real reason so many brands chimed in on the comment section.(00:00:00) ✈️ Postcards from Italy — Lauren’s friend-filled vacation and her texting boundaries abroad (00:06:28) 💑 Taylor & Travis Go Public — 13 photos, soft-launch culture, and the wholesome vibes of each pic (00:19:07) 📱 The Filter Debate — Sparkly edits, signature cameras, and why Taylor’s aesthetic never changes (00:20:20) 🏰 Chrishell & G Flip’s Third Wedding — Medieval theme, guest fatigue, and how to lose friends annually (00:23:48) 😬 Beckham Family Feud — Cursed Notes, Instagram blocks, awkward weddings, and very public shade (00:36:18) 🚤 Yacht Wars — $16M vs. billionaire-level $400M boats, and Sir Elton’s peacekeeping tour (00:44:05) 🔭 The Coldplay Kiss-Cam Scandal — Public makeouts, lawsuits, and the downfall of Astronomer (00:51:00) 🌿 Gwyneth’s Surprise Cameo — Her comedic timing, rumored $2M payout, and the copper-fit hustle (00:56:20) 🧼 Goop vs. Rhode — Hailey Bieber’s billion-dollar exit vs. Gwyneth’s grind (00:58:00) 📣 What’s Next — Matty Healy’s mom, Katy Perry, Sydney Sweeney and more coming in Friday’s Global Elite episodeBetterHelp: Our listeners get 10% off their first month at BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTS EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% offPlease note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this bonus episode, Chanler is joined by her husband Ben and their wedding planner, Laura from Love, Laura. We discuss what it actually takes to plan a wedding that feels intentional, elevated, and true to you. From walking away from their original venue to rethinking the wedding party altogether, this conversation goes deep on the emotional, logistical, and aesthetic realities of modern wedding planning — with expert advice from Laura herself.Check out Love, Laura on Instagram www.instagram.com/lovelauraevents Check out Love, Laura events www.lovelaura.co (00:00:00) 💍 Where to Start — the foundation of a great wedding and why your planner actually matters(00:08:32) 🥂 Defining Your Style — avoiding trend traps, trusting your gut, and staying true to your vision(00:16:40) 🎻 Making It Meaningful — how to create a ceremony that feels intimate, not performative(00:22:13) 🪑 The Guest List Equation — setting boundaries, navigating family politics, and curating with intention(00:28:48) 🧠 Avoiding the Spiral — decision fatigue, emotional overload, and how to reset when it gets too much(00:37:05) 👗 Dress Wisdom — why it’s okay to change your mind, and how to find a look you actually feel good in(00:43:41) 📸 Capturing the Moment — trusting your team, letting go of the shot list, and being present(00:52:20) 💒 Final Advice — Laura’s golden rule, Ben’s hot take, and the one thing every bride should prioritizePlease note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.