
Changelog Interviews
Conversations with the hackers, leaders, and innovators of the software world. Adam Stacoviak and Jerod Santo face their imposter syndrome so you don’t have to. Expect in-depth interviews with the best and brightest in software engineering, open source & leadership. This is a polyglot podcast. All programming languages, platforms & communities are welcome.
Latest episodes

Jul 21, 2017 • 1h 13min
10 years of RabbitMQ
We are thrilled to produce this show to honor RabbitMQ’s 10th anniversary. Karl Nilsson and Michael Klishin joined the show to talk through 10 years of RabbitMQ — one of the most widely deployed open source message brokers with more than 35,000 production deployments worldwide.
Join the discussionChangelog++ members support our work, get closer to the metal, and make the ads disappear. Join today!Sponsors:ElixirConf 2017 – September 5-8 in Bellevue, WA - Our listeners get an exclusive $40 discount! Get face time with core developers of Elixir, Phoenix, Ecto, Nerves and more. Learn from over 40 speakers and keynotes about how top companies and developers are getting performance gains from Elixir and surpassing their competition. There is no better place to discuss, collaborate and socialize with other Elixir professionals and enthusiasts.
CircleCI – CircleCI is a continuous integration and delivery platform that helps software teams rapidly release code with confidence by automating the build, test, and deploy process. Checkout the recently launched CircleCI 2.0!
Hired – Get hired. It’s free — in fact, they pay you to get hired. Our listeners get a double hiring bonus of $600.
Sentry – Get 30 days free when you sign up with the code changelog. Error reporting and notifications for JavaScript apps and the rest of your stack. Start tracking errors for free. Support for React, Angular, Ember, Vue, Backbone, and Node frameworks like Express and Koa.
Featuring:Karl Nilsson – GitHub, XMichael Klishin – GitHub, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
RabbitMQ Server on GitHub
How Elixir Compiles/Executes Code
RabbitMQ Architecture Overview
The Changelog #205: A Protocol For Dying with Pieter Hintjens
The Changelog #242: The Burden of Open Source with James Long
The Changelog #246: First-time Contributors and Maintainer Balance with Kent C. Dodds
The Changelog #248: Open Source Lessons Learned with Zeno Rocha
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Jul 14, 2017 • 1h 27min
The power of wikis, the problem with social networks, the promise of AI
Evan Prodromou has been involved in open source since the mid ‘90s. His open source travel guide – Wikitravel – grew up alongside Wikipedia and the web itself. In this episode, we hear Evan’s history, try to solve open social networking once and for all, and learn how sprinkling a little artificial intelligence on to our products can yield big wins without having to shoot the moon.
Join the discussionChangelog++ members support our work, get closer to the metal, and make the ads disappear. Join today!Sponsors:Linode – Our cloud server of choice. Get one of the fastest, most efficient SSD cloud servers for only $5/mo. Use the code changelog2017 to get 4 months free!
Toptal – Easily scale your team — hire the top freelance software developers, designers, and finance experts with Toptal. Email adam@changelog.com for a personal introduction.
GoCD – GoCD is an on-premise open source continuous delivery server created by ThoughtWorks that lets you automate and streamline your build-test-release cycle for reliable, continuous delivery of your product.
Fastly – Our bandwidth partner. Fastly powers fast, secure, and scalable digital experiences. Move beyond your content delivery network to their powerful edge cloud platform.
Featuring:Evan Prodromou – Website, GitHub, Mastodon, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:The Power of Wikis
Wikitravel
MediaWiki
Wikivoyage
Wikihow
Wikimedia Foundation
The Problem with Social Networks
Social Web Working Group
Pump.io
Identica
GNU Social
Tent.io
Micro.blog
JSON Feed
The Promise of A.I.
Fuzzy.ai
AlphaGo
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Jul 7, 2017 • 31min
Ubuntu Snaps and Bash on Windows Server
We talked with Dustin Kirkland (Head of Ubuntu Product and Strategy at Canonical) at OSCON about 12.04’s end of life, the death of the Ubuntu phone, Snaps and snapd, and Bash on Ubuntu on Windows Server. This is the second installment of our mini-series from the expo hall floor of OSCON 2017. Special thanks to our friends at O’Reilly for inviting us to OSCON.
Join the discussionChangelog++ members support our work, get closer to the metal, and make the ads disappear. Join today!Sponsors:Sentry – Get 30 days free when you sign up with the code changelog. Error reporting and notifications for JavaScript apps and the rest of your stack. Start tracking errors for free. Support for React, Angular, Ember, Vue, Backbone, and Node frameworks like Express and Koa.
Toptal – Easily scale your team — hire the top freelance software developers, designers, and finance experts with Toptal. Email adam@changelog.com for a personal introduction.
GoCD – GoCD is an on-premise open source continuous delivery server created by ThoughtWorks that lets you automate and streamline your build-test-release cycle for reliable, continuous delivery of your product.
OSCON – O’Reilly’s Open Source Convention combines the experience of the open source community with ideas and strategies for using open source tools and technologies. There’s no event quite like OSCON! When registration opens — save 20% on most passes by using the code CHANGELOG20 when you register.
Featuring:Dustin Kirkland – Website, GitHub, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
Ubuntu 12.04 (Precise Pangolin) reaches End of Life on April 28 2017
Snaps - universal Linux packages
Growing Ubuntu for cloud and IoT, rather than phone and convergence
Ubuntu Unity is dead: Desktop will switch back to GNOME next year
The Changelog #207: Ubuntu Everywhere with Dustin Kirkland
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Jun 30, 2017 • 57min
Why is GraphQL so cool?
Johannes Schickling (Founder of Graphcool) joined the show to talk about GraphQL — an application layer query language from Facebook. We talked about what it is, where it makes sense to use it, its role in serverless architectures, getting docs for free via Schemas and Types, and the community that’s rallying around this new way to think about APIs.
Join the discussionChangelog++ members support our work, get closer to the metal, and make the ads disappear. Join today!Sponsors:Linode – Our cloud server of choice. Get one of the fastest, most efficient SSD cloud servers for only $5/mo. Use the code changelog2017 to get 4 months free!
Hired – Get hired. It’s free — in fact, they pay you to get hired. Our listeners get a double hiring bonus of $600.
GoCD – GoCD is an on-premise open source continuous delivery server created by ThoughtWorks that lets you automate and streamline your build-test-release cycle for reliable, continuous delivery of your product.
Microsoft Azure OpenDev – See what’s possible with open source in the cloud. Watch the recorded videos from this live event to see real-world demonstrations of Azure supporting open technologies. Hear from leaders in the open source community. Learn how you can build containerized microservices and improve your open source DevOps pipeline.
Featuring:Johannes Schickling – GitHub, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
Learn GraphQL How to GraphQL
Learn Apollo
Learn Relay
GraphQL Playground
GraphQL.org
Facebook’s announcement post for GraphQL
Graphcool - Serverless GraphQL Backend - Developer platform for building serverless graphql backends
Graphcool hit #1 on HackerNews when it launched
GraphQL Radio - a podcast covering all things GraphQL
GraphQL-Europe - Europe’s first GraphQL conference
Reinventing Authorization: GraphQL Permission Queries
Serverless GraphQL Backend architecture
Why GraphQL is the future
Facebook’s original draft RFC specification for GraphQL
From The GitHub GraphQL API post on the GitHub Engineering blog:
The REST API is responsible for over 60% of the requests made to our database tier. This is partly because, by its nature, hypermedia navigation requires a client to repeatedly communicate with a server so that it can get all the information it needs. Our responses were bloated and filled with all sorts of *_url hints in the JSON responses to help people continue to navigate through the API to get what they needed. Despite all the information we provided, we heard from integrators that our REST API also wasn’t very flexible. It sometimes required two or three separate calls to assemble a complete view of a resource. It seemed like our responses simultaneously sent too much data and didn’t include data that consumers needed.
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Jun 23, 2017 • 1h 24min
Deploying Changelog.com
This week we take you behind the scenes of the new infrastructure for Changelog.com and talk with Gerhard Lazu. We relaunched the new brand and site for Changelog on Phoenix/Elixir in October of 2016 and we needed a better way to reliably host and deploy the site. That’s where Gerhard came in. We cover all the details and decisions in this show.
Join the discussionChangelog++ members support our work, get closer to the metal, and make the ads disappear. Join today!Sponsors:Linode – Our cloud server of choice. Get one of the fastest, most efficient SSD cloud servers for only $5/mo. Use the code changelog2017 to get 4 months free!
Sentry – Get 30 days free when you sign up with the code changelog. Error reporting and notifications for JavaScript apps and the rest of your stack. Start tracking errors for free. Support for React, Angular, Ember, Vue, Backbone, and Node frameworks like Express and Koa.
Hired – Get hired. It’s free — in fact, they pay you to get hired. Our listeners get a double hiring bonus of $600.
Microsoft Azure OpenDev – See what’s possible with open source in the cloud. Watch the recorded videos from this live event to see real-world demonstrations of Azure supporting open technologies. Hear from leaders in the open source community. Learn how you can build containerized microservices and improve your open source DevOps pipeline.
Featuring:Gerhard Lazu – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
Gerhard guest blogged for us about Ansible and Docker way back in the day (Feb 21, 2014)
Jerod found edeliver which was based on deliver a pure bash deployment tool with customisable strategies
Gerhard gave a talk about the process
ci.changelog.com
thechangelog/changelog.com
thechangelog/infrastructure
Pivotal Tracker
Concourse CI
LastPass
Ansible
Docker
Moby Project: Advancing the Containerization Movement
Also ~> check out this tweet from Solomon Hykes
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Jun 16, 2017 • 29min
The serverless revolution
We talked with Pam Selle at OSCON about the serverless revolution happening for JavaScript developers. This episode kicks off our mini-series from the Expo Hall floor at OSCON 2017.
Join the discussionChangelog++ members support our work, get closer to the metal, and make the ads disappear. Join today!Sponsors:Linode – Our cloud server of choice! Get one of the fastest, most efficient SSD cloud servers for only $5/mo. Use the code changelog2017 to get 4 months free!
Toptal – Hire the top freelance software developers, designers, and finance experts with Toptal. Email adam@changelog.com for a personal introduction.
Microsoft Azure OpenDev – a live one-day virtual conference (free) on June 21, 2017 focused on showcasing open source technologies on Azure. See what’s possible with open source in the cloud.
OSCON – O’Reilly’s Open Source Convention combines the experience of the open source community with ideas and strategies for using open source tools and technologies. There’s no event quite like OSCON! When registration opens — save 20% on most passes by using the code CHANGELOG20 when you register.
Featuring:Pam Selle – Website, GitHub, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:Pam is the Software Engineering Lead at IOpipe, a high fidelity metrics and monitoring service which allows you to see inside Amazon Lambda functions for better insights into the daily operations and development of serverless applications.
The serverless revolution for JavaScript developers at OSCON 2017 by Pam Selle
Serverless Framework
Turing-incomplete
The Changelog #173: CROSSOVER — Turing-Incomplete with Pam Selle, Jearvon Dharrie, and Justin Campbell
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Jun 9, 2017 • 1h 18min
GitHub's Open Source Survey (2017)
On Friday, June 2, 2017 – GitHub announced the details of their Open Source Survey – an open data set on the open source community for researchers and the curious. Frannie Zlotnick, Nadia Eghbal, and Mikeal Rogers joined the show to talk through the backstory and key insights of this open data project which sheds light on the broader open source community’s attitudes, experiences, and backgrounds of those who use, build, and maintain open source software.
Join the discussionChangelog++ members support our work, get closer to the metal, and make the ads disappear. Join today!Sponsors:Sentry – Get 30 days free when you sign up with the code changelog. Error reporting and notifications for JavaScript apps and the rest of your stack. Start tracking errors for free. Support for React, Angular, Ember, Vue, Backbone, and Node frameworks like Express and Koa.
Toptal – Hire the top freelance software developers, designers, and finance experts with Toptal. Email adam@changelog.com for a personal introduction.
GoCD – GoCD is an on-premise open source continuous delivery server created by ThoughtWorks that lets you automate and streamline your build-test-release cycle for reliable, continuous delivery of your product.
Microsoft Azure OpenDev – a live one-day virtual conference on June 21, 2017 focused on showcasing open source technologies on Azure. See what’s possible with open source in the cloud. Learn how you can build containerized microservices and improve your open source DevOps pipeline. Participate in Q&A sessions, and get hands-on experience with open source technologies on Azure.
Featuring:Nadia Eghbal – GitHub, XFrannie Zlotnick – GitHubAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XMikeal Rogers – GitHub, XShow Notes:
opensourcesurvey.org
github/open-source-survey
GitHub Blog: Announcing an open data set on the open source community
Spotlight #10: How China Does Node with Shiya Luo at Node.js Interactive 2016
Oh, and here’s that Wired article Mikeal mentioned
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

May 30, 2017 • 1h 14min
JAMstack, Netlify CMS, and 10x-ing Smashing Magazine
Matt Biilman and Chris Bach joined the show to talk about JAMstack, Netlify CMS, how open source drives standards, and 10x-ing the speed of Smashing Magazine.
Join the discussionChangelog++ members support our work, get closer to the metal, and make the ads disappear. Join today!Sponsors:Linode – Our cloud server of choice! Get one of the fastest, most efficient SSD cloud servers for only $5/mo. Use the code changelog2017 to get 4 months free!
Toptal – Hire the top freelance software developers, designers, and finance experts with Toptal. Email adam@changelog.com for a personal introduction.
GoCD – GoCD is an on-premise open source continuous delivery server created by ThoughtWorks that lets you automate and streamline your build-test-release cycle for reliable, continuous delivery of your product.
Featuring:Matt Biilmann – Website, GitHub, XChris Bach – Website, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
JAMstack (JavaScript, APIs, and Markup) is a new way of building websites and apps that delivers better performance, higher security, lower cost of scaling, and a better developer experience.
Netlify CMS is an open-source CMS built with JAMstack principles designed around a fully Git workflow.
Smashing Magazine just got 10x faster
Meet The Next Smashing Magazine
Why Static Site Generators Are The Next Big Thing
next.smashingmagazine.com
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

May 21, 2017 • 1h 11min
The Backstory of Kubernetes
Tim Hockin and Aparna Sinha joined the show to talk about the backstory of Kubernetes inside Google, how Tim and others got it funded, the infrastructure of Kubernetes, and how they’ve been able to succeed by focusing on the community.
Join the discussionChangelog++ members support our work, get closer to the metal, and make the ads disappear. Join today!Sponsors:Sentry – Get 30 days free when you sign up with the code changelog. Error reporting and notifications for JavaScript apps and the rest of your stack. Start tracking errors for free. Support for React, Angular, Ember, Vue, Backbone, and Node frameworks like Express and Koa.
Hired – Get hired. It’s free — in fact, they pay you to get hired. Our listeners get a double hiring bonus of $600.
Datadog – Cloud-Scale Monitoring — Monitoring that tracks your dynamic infrastructure and applications. Plus next-generation APM. Monitor, troubleshoot, and optimize end-to-end application performance. Start your free trial, install the agent, and get a free t-shirt!
Featuring:Tim Hockin – Website, GitHub, XAparna Sinha – GitHub, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
kubernetes.io
Large-scale cluster management at Google with Borg
Kubernetes The Hard Way
Go Time #20: Kubernetes, Containers, and Go with Kelsey Hightower
Bringing Pokémon GO to life on Google Cloud
Google Cloud Platform
Kubernetes on Wikipedia
kubernetes/minikube
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

May 4, 2017 • 10min
BONUS - Sustain Open Source Software
Justin Dorfman joined us for a special BONUS episode of The Changelog to share some details about Sustain Conference with you. It’s a one day conversation for Open Source Software sustainers at GitHub HQ (SF) on June 19, 2017. No keynotes, expo halls or talks. Only discussions about how to get more resources to support digital infrastructure. Plus, we’ll be there.
Join the discussionChangelog++ members support our work, get closer to the metal, and make the ads disappear. Join today!Featuring:Justin Dorfman – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
Sustain Conference
Sponsor Sustain
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!