
Changelog Interviews
Conversations with the hackers, leaders, and innovators of the software world. Adam Stacoviak and Jerod Santo face their imposter syndrome so you don’t have to. Expect in-depth interviews with the best and brightest in software engineering, open source & leadership. This is a polyglot podcast. All programming languages, platforms & communities are welcome.
Latest episodes

Oct 1, 2018 • 1h 5min
#Hacktoberfest isn’t just about a free shirt
#Hacktoberfest is a once per year event in the month of October celebrating open source. For many it’s an on ramp to open source, PRs galore for maintainers, and t-shirts for those who submit 5 or more pull requests. In the end, however, it’s about the awareness of open source and its significance to the greater good to humanity as we know it.
Adam and Jerod talk with Daniel Zaltsman, Dev Rel Manager at DigitalOcean and key leader of Hacktoberfest to cover the backstory, where this project began, its impact on open source, how it has had to scale each year by many orders of magnitude, and of course we cover how you can play your part in #Hacktoberfest and give back to open source.
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Featuring:Daniel Zaltsman – GitHub, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
We’re joining Hacktoberfest 2018 | Microsoft + Open Source
Request For Commits with Nadia Eghbal and Mikeal Rogers
24 Pull Requests
Hacktoberfest 2018 - DigitalOcean
Hacktoberfest 2018 - Events
Hacktoberfest 2018 - Event Kit
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Sep 26, 2018 • 1h 6min
REST easy, GraphQL is here
In this special rebroadcast of JS Party, Jerod and Suz talk with John Resig about how he’s using GraphQL at Khan Academy, some of the mistakes and successes using GraphQL, John’s feelings on jQuery, and community Q&A.
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Featuring:John Resig – Website, GitHub, XSuz Hinton – GitHub, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
John’s intro to the GraphQL Guide - Introduction by John Resig, author of GraphQL Guide
Get the GraphQL Guide (beta) - Link to the Ebook & Training information on GraphQL, with a free tshirt for full edition Ebook readers
The Changelog #255: Why is GraphQL so cool? - Link to the GraphQL Podcast
The Changelog #297: Prisma and the GraphQL data layer - Link to the Prisma and GraphQL Data Layer
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Sep 19, 2018 • 1h 24min
Join the federation?! Mastodon awaits...
We talked with Eugen Rochko, the creator of Mastodon, about where Mastodon came from the problem it aimed to solve. How it’s not exactly Twitter alternative, although that’s its known claim to fame. Why it’s probably not going anywhere. The ins-and-outs of federation, getting started, running an instance, why you would want to — cool stuff you’ve never considered could be built on top of Mastodon. And finally, the story behind naming posted content a “toot”.
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Featuring:Eugen Rochko – GitHub, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
ActivityPub
tootsuite/documentation
Giving social networking back to you - The Mastodon Project
Gargron is creating Mastodon | Patreon
documentation/Development-guide.md at master · tootsuite/documentation
Masto.host - Fully Managed Mastodon Hosting
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Sep 12, 2018 • 1h 14min
Kubernetes brings all the Cloud Natives to the yard
We talk with Dan Kohn, the Executive Director of the Cloud Native Computing Foundation to catch up with all things cloud native, the CNCF, and the world of Kubernetes.
Dan updated us on the growth KubeCon / CloudNativeCon, the state of Cloud Native and where innovation is happening, serverless being on the rise, and Kubernetes dominating the enterprise.
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Featuring:Dan Kohn – Website, GitHub, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
Cloud Native Computing Foundation
CNCF Survey: Use of Cloud Native Technologies in Production Has Grown Over 200%
Cloud Native Computing Foundation Receives $9 Million Cloud Credit Grant from Google Cloud to Fund Kubernetes Development, Empower Community
Cloud Native Computing Foundation Welcomes 38 New Members at Open Source Summit North America
Software Conformance - Cloud Native Computing Foundation
GitHub - cncf/landscape - Static Cloud Native Landscapes and Interactive Landscape that filters and sorts hundreds of cloud native projects and products, and shows details including GitHub stars, funding or market cap, first and last commits, contributor counts, headquarters location, and recent tweets.
CNCF Cloud Native Interactive Landscape
K8s DevStats
KubeCon + CloudNativeCon North America 2018
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Sep 5, 2018 • 1h 13min
The first cloud native programming language
Jerod talked with Paul Fremantle, the CTO and Co-Founder of WSO2, about their new programming language, Ballerina — a cloud-native language which aims to make it easier to write microservices that integrate APIs. They talked about the creation of the language and how it was inspired by so many technologies, cloud native features like built-in container support, serverless-friendly, observability, and how it works with, or without, a service mesh — just to name a few.
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Featuring:Paul Fremantle – XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
Ballerina.io - Landing page of Ballerina.io : Cloud Native Programming Language
Ballerina’s philosophy - Ballerina.io design philosophy which incorporates fundamental concepts of distributed system integration into the language
Ballerina Central - Ballerina.io Central code repository of reusable code packages
Coverage on The New Stack - Article on Ballerina in The New Stack
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Aug 29, 2018 • 1h 2min
Segment's transition back to a monorepo
Adam and Jerod talk with two members of Segment’s engineering team: Co-founder and CTO, Calvin French-Owen, as well as Software Engineer, Alex Noonan, about their journey from monorepo to microservices back to monorepo. 100s of problem children to 1 superstar child.
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Featuring:Alexandra Noonan – GitHubCalvin French-Owen – Website, GitHub, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
Segment says goodbye microservices
Goodbye Microservices: From 100s of problem children to 1 superstar · Segment Blog
Centrifuge: a reliable system for delivering billions of events per day · Segment Blog
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Aug 22, 2018 • 1h 6min
Istio service mesh and microservices
Adam and Jerod talk with Jason McGee, VP and CTO of IBM Cloud Platform about Istio — an open platform that provides a uniform way to connect, secure, control, and observe microservices. They cover what service mesh is, why its suddenly so interesting, who’s involved in Istio, their involvement with the CNCF, getting started, and what’s next for Istio.
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GoCD – GoCD is an on-premise open source continuous delivery server created by ThoughtWorks that lets you automate and streamline your build-test-release cycle for reliable, continuous delivery of your product.
Fastly – Our bandwidth partner. Fastly powers fast, secure, and scalable digital experiences. Move beyond your content delivery network to their powerful edge cloud platform. Learn more at fastly.com.
Featuring:Jason McGee – Website, GitHub, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
Istio / About Istio
The Istio service mesh hits version 1.0 – TechCrunch
The History of the Service Mesh - The New Stack
GitHub - cncf/landscape: Cloud Native Landscape
Envoy Proxy
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Aug 15, 2018 • 1h 21min
Open sourcing the DEV community
We talk with Ben Halpern the founder and webmaster of dev.to — a community for developers to talk about software. Last Wednesday they open sourced the codebase of the dev.to platform, so we wanted to talk through all the details with Ben. We talked through the backstory, how Ben realized this could become a business, how the team was formed, their motivations for open sourcing it and why they didn’t open source it from the start, the technical stack, and their vision for the future of the site.
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Linode – Our cloud server of choice. Deploy a fast, efficient, native SSD cloud server for only $5/month. Get 4 months free using the code changelog2018. Start your server - head to linode.com/changelog
GoCD – GoCD is an on-premise open source continuous delivery server created by ThoughtWorks that lets you automate and streamline your build-test-release cycle for reliable, continuous delivery of your product.
Fastly – Our bandwidth partner. Fastly powers fast, secure, and scalable digital experiences. Move beyond your content delivery network to their powerful edge cloud platform. Learn more at fastly.com.
Featuring:Ben Halpern – GitHub, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
dev.to is now open source
thepracticaldev/dev.to
dev.to roadmap
O RLY Cover Generator
Saron from Codenewbie
Making dev.to insanely fast
RailsConf talk on making dev.to fast
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Aug 10, 2018 • 30min
Jeff Robbins is an actual rockstar [rebroadcast]
On this special bonus episode of The Changelog, we’re playing the latest episode of Away from Keyboard with Jeff Robbins. While some dream of having a successful career, Jeff Robbins has already had several. Once the lead singer and guitarist for Orbit, Jeff has worked on some of the most famous Drupal websites. He talks to Tim about his early interest in computers, starting Lullabot, and adjusting to life after leaving the company he built and ran.
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Featuring:Jeff Robbins – Website, XTim Smith – GitHub, XShow Notes:
Original Episode
Listen to more episodes of AFK
Yonder
Lullabot
123 Astronaut
AFK is taking a break, and will be back on August 29th. If you or someone you know would make a great guest on the show, send an email to tim+afk@changelog.com.
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Aug 8, 2018 • 1h 14min
Rebuilding Exercism from the ground up
Adam and Jerod invite back Katrina Owen after years away focusing on Exercism—a 100% free platform for code practice and mentorship with over 2500 exercises and 48 different language tracks. They talk to Katrina about how the platform has changed, the direction it’s taken, the backstory on the recently launched version 2, and how she plans to turn Exercism into a sustainable business. Also, what happens if that doesn’t work?!
Join the discussionChangelog++ members support our work, get closer to the metal, and make the ads disappear. Join today!Sponsors:Hired – Salary and benefits upfront? Yes please. Our listeners get a double hiring bonus of $600! Or, refer a friend and get a check for $1,337 when they accept a job. On Hired companies send you offers with salary, benefits, and even equity upfront. You are in full control of the process. Learn more at hired.com/changelog.
DigitalOcean – DigitalOcean is simplicity at scale. Whether your business is running one virtual machine or ten thousand, DigitalOcean gets out of your way so your team can build, deploy, and scale faster and more efficiently. New accounts get $100 in credit to use in your first 60 days.
Algolia – Our search partner. Algolia’s full suite search APIs enable teams to develop unique search and discovery experiences across all platforms and devices. We’re using Algolia to power our site search here at Changelog.com. Get started for free and learn more at algolia.com.
GoCD – GoCD is an on-premise open source continuous delivery server created by ThoughtWorks that lets you automate and streamline your build-test-release cycle for reliable, continuous delivery of your product.
Featuring:Katrina Owen – Website, GitHub, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
Exercism
About the new site
The Exercism core team
exercism on Github
The Changelog #108: Exercism.io and Crowd-Sourced Code Reviews with Katrina Owen
Go Time #19: Programming Practices, Exercism, Open Source with Katrina Owen, creator of Exercism
Spotlight #2: Exercism and 99 Bottles of OOP with Katrina Owen at OSCON London 2016
audreylim (Audrey Lim)
Audrey Lim’s website
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